# Move M3 Grease Gun from Medic to Recon **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 20, 2020, 8:06am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250 "2020-03-20T08:06:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![VOLBANKER](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/dec6dc/32.png) [@VOLBANKER](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VOLBANKER)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 8:06am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/1 "2020-03-20T08:06:00Z")
It would make a lot of sense to move the M3 Grease Gun from Medic to Recon. First of all, a soldier who is doing recon work could use a gun with a silencer to keep him from being detected by any enemies he might encounter. Second, Recon really needs another automatic weapon besides Trench Carbine. Third, Medic has plenty of other good CQC weapons. Recon only has the two pistol carbines, and Model 8 provided you land your shots without missing even once. And the pistol carbines have a horrible TTK past around 10-12 metres. What do you guys think? ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 8:08am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/2 "2020-03-20T08:08:00Z")
Absolutely. The grease gun is wasted on the likes of medics ---
**Author:** ![The-Monz](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/the-monz/32/107224_2.png) [@The-Monz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/The-Monz)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 8:46am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/3 "2020-03-20T08:46:00Z")
Would you swap it for the zh-29? ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/4 "2020-03-20T12:00:00Z")
> [@The-Monz](#): > > Would you swap it for the zh-29? The jungle carbine is better ---
**Author:** ![X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/278dde/32.png) [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/X_Sunslayer_X)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/5 "2020-03-20T12:31:00Z")
> [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > [@The-Monz](#): > > > > Would you swap it for the zh-29? > > The jungle carbine is better that is only true if the player in question can consistently lad HS at all ranges. other then that the ZH will beat any jungle carbine at any range if both land the normal bodyshot ---
**Author:** ![dariarty](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/3d9bf3/32.png) [@dariarty](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/dariarty)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:43pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/6 "2020-03-20T12:43:00Z")
Excellent suggestion OP. ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/7 "2020-03-20T12:48:00Z")
> [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > > [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > > > [@The-Monz](#): > > > > > > Would you swap it for the zh-29? > > > > The jungle carbine is better > > that is only true if the player in question can consistently lad HS at all ranges. other then that the ZH will beat any jungle carbine at any range if both land the normal bodyshot If anyone who gets hit once stays around to get hit twice they deserved it. The whole point of these weapons is to take someone who is exposed out before they can hide or retaliate. The headshot makes a huge difference for that ---
**Author:** ![CT1924](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ct1924/32/106572_2.png) [@CT1924](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CT1924)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 1:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/8 "2020-03-20T13:33:00Z")
No. Recon is not supposed to be cqc. ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 1:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/9 "2020-03-20T13:59:00Z")
> [@CT1924](#): > > No. Recon is not supposed to be cqc. It actually was supposed to be a choice of sniping or CqC flanking action. The Throwing knives should had tipped you off. ---
**Author:** ![X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/278dde/32.png) [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/X_Sunslayer_X)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 2:19pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/10 "2020-03-20T14:19:00Z")
> [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > > > > [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > > > > > [@The-Monz](#): > > > > > > > > Would you swap it for the zh-29? > > > > > > The jungle carbine is better > > > > that is only true if the player in question can consistently lad HS at all ranges. other then that the ZH will beat any jungle carbine at any range if both land the normal bodyshot > > If anyone who gets hit once stays around to get hit twice they deserved it. > The whole point of these weapons is to take someone who is exposed out before they can hide or retaliate. The headshot makes a huge difference for that that still makes the ZH better since it has a considerable better ROF and does not rely on HS all the time, in fact the ZH doesn’t reward them at all. plus you get the benefit of much higher magnification and if i recall correctly the ZH has higher velocity. ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 2:25pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/11 "2020-03-20T14:25:00Z")
> [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > > [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > > > [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > > > > > > [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > > > > > > > [@The-Monz](#): > > > > > > > > > > Would you swap it for the zh-29? > > > > > > > > The jungle carbine is better > > > > > > that is only true if the player in question can consistently lad HS at all ranges. other then that the ZH will beat any jungle carbine at any range if both land the normal bodyshot > > > > If anyone who gets hit once stays around to get hit twice they deserved it. > > The whole point of these weapons is to take someone who is exposed out before they can hide or retaliate. The headshot makes a huge difference for that > > that still makes the ZH better since it has a considerable better ROF and does not rely on HS all the time, in fact the ZH doesn’t reward them at all. plus you get the benefit of much higher magnification and if i recall correctly the ZH has higher velocity. Based on the times I have been killed by a jungle and a ZH, the Jungle is a more popular choice statistically. If one wants to work on ranges where velocity counts, they are better off using a Krag. At least this is my opinion on the matter. A mandatory 2HK in a gun with 5 bullets and a ROF that is less than double of the bolt action jungle is a pretty lousy setup ---
**Author:** ![X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/278dde/32.png) [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/X_Sunslayer_X)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 2:32pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/12 "2020-03-20T14:32:00Z")
> [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > > > > [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > > > > > [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@The-Monz](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you swap it for the zh-29? > > > > > > > > > > The jungle carbine is better > > > > > > > > that is only true if the player in question can consistently lad HS at all ranges. other then that the ZH will beat any jungle carbine at any range if both land the normal bodyshot > > > > > > If anyone who gets hit once stays around to get hit twice they deserved it. > > > The whole point of these weapons is to take someone who is exposed out before they can hide or retaliate. The headshot makes a huge difference for that > > > > that still makes the ZH better since it has a considerable better ROF and does not rely on HS all the time, in fact the ZH doesn’t reward them at all. plus you get the benefit of much higher magnification and if i recall correctly the ZH has higher velocity. > > Based on the times I have been killed by a jungle and a ZH, the Jungle is a more popular choice statistically. If one wants to work on ranges where velocity counts, they are better off using a Krag. > At least this is my opinion on the matter. A mandatory 2HK in a gun with 5 bullets and a ROF that is less than double of the bolt action jungle is a pretty lousy setup and a medic cosplaying as a sniper is better in what regard again? wasn’t that a huge complaint in BF1 and the BFV Alpha that long range weapons would cause medic to camp even more and low and behold they have actual sniper rifles and nothing has changed. ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 2:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/13 "2020-03-20T14:41:00Z")
> [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > > [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > > > [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > > > > > > [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > > > > > > > [@X\_Sunslayer\_X](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@The-Monz](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you swap it for the zh-29? > > > > > > > > > > > > The jungle carbine is better > > > > > > > > > > that is only true if the player in question can consistently lad HS at all ranges. other then that the ZH will beat any jungle carbine at any range if both land the normal bodyshot > > > > > > > > If anyone who gets hit once stays around to get hit twice they deserved it. > > > > The whole point of these weapons is to take someone who is exposed out before they can hide or retaliate. The headshot makes a huge difference for that > > > > > > that still makes the ZH better since it has a considerable better ROF and does not rely on HS all the time, in fact the ZH doesn’t reward them at all. plus you get the benefit of much higher magnification and if i recall correctly the ZH has higher velocity. > > > > Based on the times I have been killed by a jungle and a ZH, the Jungle is a more popular choice statistically. If one wants to work on ranges where velocity counts, they are better off using a Krag. > > At least this is my opinion on the matter. A mandatory 2HK in a gun with 5 bullets and a ROF that is less than double of the bolt action jungle is a pretty lousy setup > > and a medic cosplaying as a sniper is better in what regard again? wasn’t that a huge complaint in BF1 and the BFV Alpha that long range weapons would cause medic to camp even more and low and behold they have actual sniper rifles and nothing has changed. In the objective ranges the medics have an effectively better sniper rifle and they also have the power to ignore health attrition. . When I want to “Snipe agressively” I more often than not use the medic instead of the recon. My recon has almost always the trench carbine ---
**Author:** ![InS\_Hypno](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ins_hypno/32/106778_2.png) [@InS\_Hypno](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/InS_Hypno)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 3:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/14 "2020-03-20T15:03:00Z")
You think the jungle carbine is better until you get 99 with a HS or 99 with 2 hits Only reason the jungle carbine is better is because the class that has it is just straight up better ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 3:07pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/15 "2020-03-20T15:07:00Z")
> [@InS\_Hypno](#): > > You think the jungle carbine is better until you get 99 with a HS or 99 with 2 hits > Only reason the jungle carbine is better is because the class that has it is just straight up better If a soldier is more than 100m away then they are just too far. The straight pull bolt is sorely missed in the recon class too. There is also no glint to telegraph the shooter. All hail the double standards of DICE! ---
**Author:** ![InS\_Hypno](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ins_hypno/32/106778_2.png) [@InS\_Hypno](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/InS_Hypno)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/16 "2020-03-20T15:12:00Z")
> [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > [@InS\_Hypno](#): > > > > You think the jungle carbine is better until you get 99 with a HS or 99 with 2 hits > > Only reason the jungle carbine is better is because the class that has it is just straight up better > > If a soldier is more than 100m away then they are just too far. > > The straight pull bolt is sorely missed in the recon class too. There is also no glint to telegraph the shooter. All hail the double standards of DICE! because unlike with a ZH you can’t just sit in your spawn and snipe people across the map that’s the difference ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 3:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/17 "2020-03-20T15:15:00Z")
> [@InS\_Hypno](#): > > > [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > > > [@InS\_Hypno](#): > > > > > > You think the jungle carbine is better until you get 99 with a HS or 99 with 2 hits > > > Only reason the jungle carbine is better is because the class that has it is just straight up better > > > > If a soldier is more than 100m away then they are just too far. > > > > The straight pull bolt is sorely missed in the recon class too. There is also no glint to telegraph the shooter. All hail the double standards of DICE! > > because unlike with a ZH you can’t just sit in your spawn and snipe people across the map > that’s the difference I have literally never seen anyone do that with that gun. The chances that someone across the map will stay to be hit twice are astronomically low. ---
**Author:** ![Synderz123](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/synderz123/32/107211_2.png) [@Synderz123](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Synderz123)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/18 "2020-03-20T15:38:00Z")
I support this idea. ---
**Author:** ![InS\_Hypno](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ins_hypno/32/106778_2.png) [@InS\_Hypno](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/InS_Hypno)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 4:10pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/19 "2020-03-20T16:10:00Z")
> [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > [@InS\_Hypno](#): > > > > > [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > > > > > [@InS\_Hypno](#): > > > > > > > > You think the jungle carbine is better until you get 99 with a HS or 99 with 2 hits > > > > Only reason the jungle carbine is better is because the class that has it is just straight up better > > > > > > If a soldier is more than 100m away then they are just too far. > > > > > > The straight pull bolt is sorely missed in the recon class too. There is also no glint to telegraph the shooter. All hail the double standards of DICE! > > > > because unlike with a ZH you can’t just sit in your spawn and snipe people across the map > > that’s the difference > > I have literally never seen anyone do that with that gun. The chances that someone across the map will stay to be hit twice are astronomically low. welp you either don’t play the game at all or you’re oblivious One round of Aerodrome and they are everywhere bodyshotting people from the other side of the map I’ve already been tapped by a ZH on F from the British spawn You get tapped to death plenty of time from people hugging the side of the map The only real advantage the jungle carbine has over the ZH is the fact it can headshot Other than that you’re better off going with a ZH or any other medic gun if you can’t land HS consistently ---
**Author:** ![Woodlbrad](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@Woodlbrad](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Woodlbrad)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 4:13pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250/20 "2020-03-20T16:13:00Z")
Or just buff the pistol carbines. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/move-m3-grease-gun-from-medic-to-recon/258250.md?page=2)