# My thoughts on why battlefield V failed, and why players are mad **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 8, 2019, 10:24am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059 "2019-07-08T10:24:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Minigun991](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Minigun991](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Minigun991)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:24am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/1 "2019-07-08T10:24:00Z")
First off I’d like to make a statement. People who bought the game full price, or bought the deluxe addition have more then a right to complain about the game. Especially deluxe addition owners, cause they pretty much got lied to. That’s all. But anyways, everyone knows where battlefield V screwed it self. With that terrible reveal trailer of the robot girl sniper and complete random mayhem. But battlefield V was still able to be saved if dice handled this right. Maybe by saying “we just wanna do are own thing”. But that didn’t happen. Instead they insulted their players. Calling them uneducated, and one developer used “make everyone white” as an insult towards a man who wanted a choice to turn off customization on Twitter. None of these things are good for a business looking to make money. All it did was hurt the game. But DICE still had the chance to release a great game, that would blow all the naysayers away. Is that what happened? No, instead the game was annoyingly buggy, and was missing a lot of features that were clearly cut. Some still not in the game, like Vehicle body customization. It had some great improvements, but that doesn’t matter when your game is broke and the content is low and the maps are not really good. But even with all the terrible things that happened, DICE could still salvage the game. But it was clear that was not going to happen soon. Instead months passed with very little content. Patch after patch keeps coming out, adding more bugs, and because of the lack of content people keep on leaving. Which caused DICE to remove Duo mode in firestorm, and frontlines from the low player counts. All that’s been a priority is the cosmetics. So because of their terrible handling of the game before launch, it caused people to not buy the game. Which didn’t hurt them. It just hurt the people who did buy the game. Which EA stated that it’s sales were bad. So they probably cut funding. I’m going to say that this franchise can not take another battlefield V incident. If battlefield is no longer looked at as profitable by EA, they will close it down. I’m also going to state that the people who supported DICE for what happened, and defend this game are hurting the franchise more. What happened was not at all good, and this game is not the best dice has to offer. ---
**Author:** ![Trokey66](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/trokey66/32/103889_2.png) [@Trokey66](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Trokey66)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:28am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/2 "2019-07-08T10:28:00Z")
I pre ordered the deluxe and whilst the bugs are annoying, the main reason I don’t play much any more is because the hardcore lite approach isn’t fun. Edit: I should add that my decision was in no way, influenced by wimmin or ‘historical accuracy’. ---
**Author:** ![vonHenk](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/6a8cbe/32.png) [@vonHenk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/vonHenk)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:33am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/3 "2019-07-08T10:33:00Z")
Yup, hardcore lite isn’t for me either. Stopped playing in February. ---
**Author:** ![UniQue1992](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/unique1992/32/107278_2.png) [@UniQue1992](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/UniQue1992)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:39am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/4 "2019-07-08T10:39:00Z")
> [@Trokey66](#): > > I pre ordered the deluxe and whilst the bugs are annoying, the main reason I don’t play much any more is because the hardcore lite approach isn’t fun. What hardcore liet approach lol? Because the game is now less casual you don’t like it? I grew up with Battlefield and have always played the games. Back in the days it was much harder to play properly than now. The only thing now is that you need to think before you move, because you are not a bullet sponge anymore. You can’t just run across a open field, no you need to use your brains before you move. How is this a bad thing? I get sad when I see people like you complaining about this. ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:39am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/5 "2019-07-08T10:39:00Z")
> [@Trokey66](#): > > I pre ordered the deluxe and whilst the bugs are annoying, the main reason I don’t play much any more is because the hardcore lite approach isn’t fun. Especially if you are a plane trying to tell which of the grey-brown pixels is a target among the terrain grey-brown pixels or if you are a tank and you have to spend half your time going to and from the supply station. ---
**Author:** ![Trokey66](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/trokey66/32/103889_2.png) [@Trokey66](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Trokey66)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:46am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/6 "2019-07-08T10:46:00Z")
> [@UniQue1992](#): > > Trokey66 said: > I pre ordered the deluxe and whilst the bugs are annoying, the main reason I don’t play much any more is because the hardcore lite approach isn’t fun. > > What hardcore liet approach lol? > > Because the game is now less casual you don’t like it? I grew up with Battlefield and have always played the games. Back in the days it was much harder to play properly than now. The only thing now is that you need to think before you move, because you are not a bullet sponge anymore. You can’t just run across a open field, no you need to use your brains before you move. How is this a bad thing? > > I get sad when I see people like you complaining about this. Oh dear… [![Video: Battlefield Friends They Ruined Battlefield - S2 Ep5](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/6/6/6659cdf98a9475bc1bcbfdda922a0b53fd30bb2c.jpeg "Battlefield Friends They Ruined Battlefield - S2 Ep5") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZygMsJ4wXCI) ---
**Author:** ![Minigun991](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Minigun991](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Minigun991)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 10:54am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/7 "2019-07-08T10:54:00Z")
> [@UniQue1992](#): > > Trokey66 said: > I pre ordered the deluxe and whilst the bugs are annoying, the main reason I don’t play much any more is because the hardcore lite approach isn’t fun. > > What hardcore liet approach lol? > > Because the game is now less casual you don’t like it? I grew up with Battlefield and have always played the games. Back in the days it was much harder to play properly than now. The only thing now is that you need to think before you move, because you are not a bullet sponge anymore. You can’t just run across a open field, no you need to use your brains before you move. How is this a bad thing? > > I get sad when I see people like you complaining about this. You honestly think battlefield V is not casual? It’s the first game I’ve seen where players run straight at a Tiger tank. This game is extremely casual in some areas. Especially assaults. ---
**Author:** ![Trokey66](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/trokey66/32/103889_2.png) [@Trokey66](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Trokey66)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 11:39am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/8 "2019-07-08T11:39:00Z")
Just goes to show that the term ‘casual’ is a Gentleman’s dangly bits term as it means whatever the user wants it to mean and has no real definition in relation to video games. People should really stop using it. ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 11:54am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/9 "2019-07-08T11:54:00Z")
> [@Trokey66](#): > > Just goes to show that the term ‘casual’ is a Gentleman’s dangly bits term as it means whatever the user wants it to mean and has no real definition in relation to video games. > > People should really stop using it. Yes, humans are a lot more complex than two polar opposites. ---
**Author:** ![OskooI\_007](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/oskooi_007/32/103046_2.png) [@OskooI\_007](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/OskooI_007)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 12:50pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/10 "2019-07-08T12:50:00Z")
Been playing since Battlefield Desert Combat and I hate BFV’s hardcore lite gameplay. Feels like 100 bullets hit me at once and I insta-die. Not to mention the broken audio preventing situational awareness. I play BFV for couple of rounds to see what the patches do. After a round or two I get bored, frustrated, and end up going back BF1. BFV just feels unpolished. ---
**Author:** ![xBCxSEALxTEAMx6](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/97f17d/32.png) [@xBCxSEALxTEAMx6](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xBCxSEALxTEAMx6)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/11 "2019-07-08T14:00:00Z")
Yep, as they’re saying, this hardcore approach killed the game way before these bugs or updates. That’s just never where BF was. The HC community is very voiceful, but very small, and always has been, which is why HC dies quick on past BF games, or maybe a server or two. I tried to say this from the onset of this game, and couldn’t make it more clear. These issues create the prone campers, sniper spam, and with very slow respawn (say as compared to COD) is a cancer that could totally ruin a game, and has, dealing with plummeting counts way before the latest snafu. And i would agree with the OP, it is quite possible the devs could call it quits after Oct, and maybe, like MOH, end the franchise if not for the fact EA may look at DICE and see it as a boondoggle for the shareholders. ---
**Author:** ![CHAMMOND1992](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/82dd89/32.png) [@CHAMMOND1992](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CHAMMOND1992)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 2:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/12 "2019-07-08T14:20:00Z")
Oh this again. A thread where the same thoughts shared last week are shared today, where agreements are once again re-affirmed with the same collective group. BFV failed today, failed yesterday, and hey, it will probably fail tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![TFBisquit](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/f07891/32.png) [@TFBisquit](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TFBisquit)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 3:10pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/13 "2019-07-08T15:10:00Z")
Zingh I’m dead, zingh dead again, patapat, and again dead. Kabooom, ah dead. Yeah casual, as a battlefield game should be, but is it? I never minded fast shooters, insta kills with shotty in sof. Running fast, fast paced etc. But this game has bad visibility, most deads are unsuspected, even for the pro players. So I agree, hardcore light. Cannon fodder experience for many, ultimate experience for some. Ah well… ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Creed\_N7](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/halcyon_creed_n7/32/100954_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Creed\_N7](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Halcyon_Creed_N7)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/14 "2019-07-08T16:04:00Z")
It’s just bad. It plays nothing like what Battlefield has been like for more than a decade. I hate the WWII setting, because it’s been done to death by this franchise and countless others, but it could have been cool as a stripped down Battlefield with BF3/BF4 mechanics that I’ve dreamed about. But no, DICE decided to take what worked before and throw it out the window to make this trashpile no one asked for. The gunplay feels godawful and unsatisfying, because laser beam weapons with terrible recoil patterns is less fun than controllable weapons with some random spread. Technically gunplay is more “skilled” in BFV, but the TTK is so low and player movement is so erratic that I either can’t stay on target at all, or kill someone in the blink of an eye before I even get a chance to deal with and learn the recoil. I never really feel like I earned a kill, and TTD is so bad I never feel like I deserved a death either. If you’re a First Person SHOOTER and your gunplay mechanics are unfun you’re in serious trouble, but DICE had to one up themselves on making the game bad by literally making it unplayable for many with the countless bugs and performance issues. GG DICE. ---
**Author:** ![ackers75](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@ackers75](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ackers75)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/15 "2019-07-08T16:59:00Z")
Op I don’t need to write an essay to tell you why I am mad. “I payed money for a AAA game” I didn’t get it! ---
**Author:** ![Skitelz7](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/skitelz7/32/103511_2.png) [@Skitelz7](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Skitelz7)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/16 "2019-07-08T17:03:00Z")
> [@vonHenk](#): > > Yup, hardcore lite isn’t for me either. Stopped playing in February. Hardcore lite? Wtf does that even mean? Is that some Call of Duty term I don’t know about? 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Skitelz7](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/skitelz7/32/103511_2.png) [@Skitelz7](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Skitelz7)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/17 "2019-07-08T17:04:00Z")
> [@Minigun991](#): > > > [@UniQue1992](#): > > > > Trokey66 said: > > I pre ordered the deluxe and whilst the bugs are annoying, the main reason I don’t play much any more is because the hardcore lite approach isn’t fun. > > > > What hardcore liet approach lol? > > > > Because the game is now less casual you don’t like it? I grew up with Battlefield and have always played the games. Back in the days it was much harder to play properly than now. The only thing now is that you need to think before you move, because you are not a bullet sponge anymore. You can’t just run across a open field, no you need to use your brains before you move. How is this a bad thing? > > > > I get sad when I see people like you complaining about this. > > You honestly think battlefield V is not casual? It’s the first game I’ve seen where players run straight at a Tiger tank. > > This game is extremely casual in some areas. Especially assaults. It’s a lot less casual than previous titles. Fast TTK and no active spotting being the main reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Skitelz7](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/skitelz7/32/103511_2.png) [@Skitelz7](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Skitelz7)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 5:06pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/18 "2019-07-08T17:06:00Z")
> [@UniQue1992](#): > > Trokey66 said: > I pre ordered the deluxe and whilst the bugs are annoying, the main reason I don’t play much any more is because the hardcore lite approach isn’t fun. > > What hardcore liet approach lol? > > Because the game is now less casual you don’t like it? I grew up with Battlefield and have always played the games. Back in the days it was much harder to play properly than now. The only thing now is that you need to think before you move, because you are not a bullet sponge anymore. You can’t just run across a open field, no you need to use your brains before you move. How is this a bad thing? > > I get sad when I see people like you complaining about this. Exactly. I guess the fast TTK and lack of doritos made the noobs upset. ---
**Author:** ![TFBisquit](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/f07891/32.png) [@TFBisquit](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TFBisquit)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/19 "2019-07-08T17:37:00Z")
Only noobs? ---
**Author:** ![Sk1lld](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@Sk1lld](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sk1lld)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059/20 "2019-07-08T18:04:00Z")
The game hasn’t failed… Yet. It has it’s issues yes but also has some shiny spots despite my complaints. The Frostbite engine is difficult to work with so improvements will be slow to come but like all the Battlefield games have always had a rocky start. I admit fix’s are coming slower than I like, but If EA keeps messing up my patients will not hold forever. And it feels like a long time coming. I’m not going to waste time complaining any more, the next move is DICE’s. But I doubt I will purchase any FPS built with the Frostbit engine again. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/my-thoughts-on-why-battlefield-v-failed-and-why-players-are-mad/107059.md?page=2)