# Nerf scopes. More ironsights! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 16, 2017, 10:30pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090 "2017-03-16T22:30:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MeisterYoon](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/91b2a8/32.png) [@MeisterYoon](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MeisterYoon)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 10:30pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/1 "2017-03-16T22:30:00Z")
Scopes are ruining the game seriously. Immersion, authencity, balance are all ruined by scoped weapons. There are as many medic snipers as scout snipers due to overpowered scopes. This is really serious problem. Except for me and some others, nobody uses ironsight rifles simply because it underwhelms vs scoped weapons on most cases. As soon as scope gets nerfed, i am sure half of balance issues will be fixed. Scopes are even more serious problem than cheesy automatic weapons! Please consider this DICE. You can easily nerf these by restricting FOV, balancing damage, player speed, etc. and recoils for scoped rifles. Verdun was once serious sniperfest game, and they fixed this issue very well. ---
**Author:** ![Dogwoggle11](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/dogwoggle11/32/101753_2.png) [@Dogwoggle11](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Dogwoggle11)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/2 "2017-03-16T22:37:00Z")
So, what are you saying? That there are too many snipers, or that you get killed by snipers all the time? ---
**Author:** ![TEKNOCODE](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/teknocode/32/103723_2.png) [@TEKNOCODE](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TEKNOCODE)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 10:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/3 "2017-03-16T22:39:00Z")
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**Author:** ![MeisterYoon](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/91b2a8/32.png) [@MeisterYoon](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MeisterYoon)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/4 "2017-03-16T22:40:00Z")
> [@Dogwoggle11](#): > > So, what are you saying? That there are too many snipers, or that you get killed by snipers all the time? No, i am talking about the balance issue that scopes are too good that it destroys not only balance but also immersion. Check skillful youtubers’ videos. All of them use scoped rifles over ironsights. That is not coincidence. I am top 1% on K/D with ironsight rifles, so don’t think i am whining. That 98% of medics and scouts are using marksman/sharpshooter weapons looks simply too silly. ---
**Author:** ![Ace-Cardd](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ace-cardd/32/101132_2.png) [@Ace-Cardd](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ace-Cardd)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/5 "2017-03-16T22:41:00Z")
Stop crying and do something useful. ---
**Author:** ![Dogwoggle11](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/dogwoggle11/32/101753_2.png) [@Dogwoggle11](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Dogwoggle11)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/6 "2017-03-17T00:16:00Z")
> [@MeisterYoon](#): > > > [@Dogwoggle11](#): > > > > So, what are you saying? That there are too many snipers, or that you get killed by snipers all the time? > > No, i am talking about the balance issue that scopes are too good that it destroys not only balance but also immersion. Check skillful youtubers’ videos. All of them use scoped rifles over ironsights. That is not coincidence. > > I am top 1% on K/D with ironsight rifles, so don’t think i am whining. That 98% of medics and scouts are using marksman/sharpshooter weapons looks simply too silly. I’m sorry to be the one telling you this but… you are actually Top 2%… ☹ . Anyway, anyone between 4.18 and 111.95 (yup, someone has that, using exclusively airplanes and vehicles) is Top 1%, so that doesn’t say much. I don’t feel scopes are too good. I mean… I guess if everyone is stationary like sticks on the middle of the map… but that is not the case. I’m on console, and I use mostly Gewehr 98 Sniper with 5x magnification. Why? Simple. Because in console, carbine and infantry variants are the cat’s pyjamas. They are affected by aim assist, and it’s just L2+R2; while scoped rifles do not benefit from that. (I know, I know… I could just turn the AA off, but I want it for my sidearm). This means, someone who isn’t very confident with his aim may want to pick infantry or carbine. Now, let’s go to the stats. Adding the amount of hours played by the first player on each category (carbine/infantry vs sniper/marksman) the results are: 2525 hours in “total” with sniper and marksman variants. 2748 hours in “total” with carbine and infantry variants. So I would say it is pretty balanced. ---
**Author:** ![V2Face](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/v2face/32/103961_2.png) [@V2Face](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/V2Face)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/7 "2017-03-17T00:21:00Z")
I think we have seen all the types of nerf threads now, boys.. I can die in peace. ---
**Author:** ![Adam7172](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@Adam7172](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Adam7172)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/8 "2017-03-17T03:47:00Z")
How do you nerf a scope? ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/9 "2017-03-17T04:07:00Z")
> [@Adam7172](#): > > How do you nerf a scope? ![15e74958825a090c40585553ea3bdcc9.jpg](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/c/f/cfc694804d1ca6887cfa68f22efce47a41dd5306.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![SaintBrandon88](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/a3d4f5/32.png) [@SaintBrandon88](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SaintBrandon88)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 4:41am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/10 "2017-03-17T04:41:00Z")
I disagree. It’s the auto-aim iron sights that ruins it for me. ---
**Author:** ![RowdyRuss3](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RowdyRuss3](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/RowdyRuss3)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 4:44am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/11 "2017-03-17T04:44:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > > [@Adam7172](#): > > > > How do you nerf a scope? > > ![15e74958825a090c40585553ea3bdcc9.jpg](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/c/f/cfc694804d1ca6887cfa68f22efce47a41dd5306.jpeg) You sir, you win the internet today. +1000 hues ---
**Author:** ![JihadJhonny](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jihadjhonny/32/102396_2.png) [@JihadJhonny](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JihadJhonny)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 5:38am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/12 "2017-03-17T05:38:00Z")
Back to Basics game mode is all iron sites, no scopes and no vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![PaintedFanatic](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/6bbea6/32.png) [@PaintedFanatic](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PaintedFanatic)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 5:48am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/13 "2017-03-17T05:48:00Z")
I really hate snipers, we just have to except that they’re in the game to stay though. Forever. Wtf are you talking about scoped medic rifles??? This being a problem has NEVER crossed my mind ---
**Author:** ![I\_LET\_ROUNDS\_GO](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/i_let_rounds_go/32/102256_2.png) [@I\_LET\_ROUNDS\_GO](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/I_LET_ROUNDS_GO)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 6:00am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/14 "2017-03-17T06:00:00Z")
Ummm, how about no. ---
**Author:** ![MeisterYoon](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/91b2a8/32.png) [@MeisterYoon](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MeisterYoon)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 6:27am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/15 "2017-03-17T06:27:00Z")
> [@Dogwoggle11](#): > > > [@MeisterYoon](#): > > > > > [@Dogwoggle11](#): > > > > > > So, what are you saying? That there are too many snipers, or that you get killed by snipers all the time? > > > > No, i am talking about the balance issue that scopes are too good that it destroys not only balance but also immersion. Check skillful youtubers’ videos. All of them use scoped rifles over ironsights. That is not coincidence. > > > > I am top 1% on K/D with ironsight rifles, so don’t think i am whining. That 98% of medics and scouts are using marksman/sharpshooter weapons looks simply too silly. > > I’m sorry to be the one telling you this but… you are actually Top 2%… ☹ . Anyway, anyone between 4.18 and 111.95 (yup, someone has that, using exclusively airplanes and vehicles) is Top 1%, so that doesn’t say much. > > I don’t feel scopes are too good. I mean… I guess if everyone is stationary like sticks on the middle of the map… but that is not the case. > I’m on console, and I use mostly Gewehr 98 Sniper with 5x magnification. Why? Simple. Because in console, carbine and infantry variants are the cat’s pyjamas. They are affected by aim assist, and it’s just L2+R2; while scoped rifles do not benefit from that. (I know, I know… I could just turn the AA off, but I want it for my sidearm). This means, someone who isn’t very confident with his aim may want to pick infantry or carbine. > > Now, let’s go to the stats. > > Adding the amount of hours played by the first player on each category (carbine/infantry vs sniper/marksman) the results are: > > 2525 hours in “total” with sniper and marksman variants. > 2748 hours in “total” with carbine and infantry variants. > > So I would say it is pretty balanced. You should not check aggeregat K/D but Infantry rifle K/D and score. ---
**Author:** ![MeisterYoon](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/91b2a8/32.png) [@MeisterYoon](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MeisterYoon)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 6:32am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/16 "2017-03-17T06:32:00Z")
> [@SaintBrandon88](#): > > I disagree. It’s the auto-aim iron sights that ruins it for me. Oh autoaim.. you console players.. i don’t care what you suffer from. Console is anyway for casual players. Autoaim is simply your fault. Sadly the reason DICE doesnt fix this issue and instead even is buffing scope is you console users.. now i understand. Let me tell you, on PC, where the skill really matters, without any autoaim whatsoever, Scopes are way too overpowered. Please leave balance threads if you are console players. The reason why BF1 has herendous balance is again simply due to console. Sadly it is fact. Autoaim, acceleration, they are all from console and are officially supported hack. Not on PC though ---
**Author:** ![PaintedFanatic](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/6bbea6/32.png) [@PaintedFanatic](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PaintedFanatic)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 6:42am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/17 "2017-03-17T06:42:00Z")
> [@MeisterYoon](#): > > > [@SaintBrandon88](#): > > > > I disagree. It’s the auto-aim iron sights that ruins it for me. > > Oh autoaim.. you console players.. i don’t care what you suffer from. Console is anyway for casual players. Autoaim is simply your fault. Sadly the reason DICE doesnt fix this issue and instead even is buffing scope is you console users.. now i understand. > > Let me tell you, on PC, where the skill really matters, without any autoaim whatsoever, Scopes are way too overpowered. Please leave balance threads if you are console players. The reason why BF1 has herendous balance is again simply due to console. Sadly it is fact. Autoaim, acceleration, they are all from console and are officially supported hack. Not on PC though Lawl, PC elitists make me cringe so hard. The game isn’t unbalanced because of consoles. That is not fact, that is opinion. Please learn the difference. XD. Otherwise, Please cry more, we drink your snowflake tears. ---
**Author:** ![I\_LET\_ROUNDS\_GO](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/i_let_rounds_go/32/102256_2.png) [@I\_LET\_ROUNDS\_GO](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/I_LET_ROUNDS_GO)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 6:45am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/18 "2017-03-17T06:45:00Z")
Elitist much? Just because you play on a PC, doesn’t make you better. You are giving PC players a bad name. Have you ever played on console? There are some pretty good players on them. ---
**Author:** ![PaintedFanatic](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/6bbea6/32.png) [@PaintedFanatic](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PaintedFanatic)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 6:47am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/19 "2017-03-17T06:47:00Z")
Competitive games took hold on console. Not PC, just fuel for thought ---
**Author:** ![crabman169](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/crabman169/32/101567_2.png) [@crabman169](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/crabman169)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 7:12am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerf-scopes-more-ironsights/259090/20 "2017-03-17T07:12:00Z")
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