# Nerfed the Bomber to Death and Airplanes in General. You Crossed the Line **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 6, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113 "2018-12-06T15:33:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![donthurtm3](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/donthurtm3/32/106627_2.png) [@donthurtm3](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/donthurtm3)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/81 "2018-12-10T19:38:00Z")
Bomber are cancer+ movement like a jet. WTF! Bomber should have better armor + weak bombs against infantry but stronger againgst tanks ---
**Author:** ![Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Stahlmach)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/82 "2018-12-10T20:02:00Z")
It was too much. The Bombers were a Problem but not the Fighters with the exception of the 8x Machine Gun Upgrade of the Spitfire. And now ? Especially the german Messerschmidt are a complete Joke. The G-6 is unplayable with Minengeschoss damage reduced by 79% !!! and only 150 Ammo. The 8x upgraded Spitfire still does fine. Honestly Dice with the exception of that one Spitfire Upgrade, Planes were fine. But you seem to love destroying your own Game. ---
**Author:** ![SirBobdk](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sirbobdk/32/103491_2.png) [@SirBobdk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SirBobdk)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/83 "2018-12-10T21:31:00Z")
> [@](#): > > @Stahlmach wrote > It was too much. The Bombers were a Problem but not the Fighters with the exception of the 8x Machine Gun Upgrade of the Spitfire. Agree + the Stuka. There was no need for that change. Even the Belheim was fine. Two planes was a problem. The Spitfire + the JU88 and the the spawnkill at the beginning of the maps. It would have been so easy just to do those changes first and then see the result. And then DICE ad OP AA + MAA. When do they learn to make small changes at a time and then see the results. Instead of 3 problems, we now have way more problems to fix. ---
**Author:** ![hawkseye17](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawkseye17/32/102181_2.png) [@hawkseye17](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/hawkseye17)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/84 "2018-12-10T21:33:00Z")
I’m ok with increasing reload time for bombers but not by that much. I shouldn’t have to fly around the map just waiting for it to reload ---
**Author:** ![vcm0x](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/vcm0x/32/103978_2.png) [@vcm0x](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/vcm0x)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/85 "2018-12-10T22:41:00Z")
before, i used to die 3-5x from a bomber every round that has planes. since the patch, i’ve died to a bomber exactly once (my last round)! i like this change. bombers shouldn’t be able to very easily get 50+ kills a round. ---
**Author:** ![hawkseye17](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawkseye17/32/102181_2.png) [@hawkseye17](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/hawkseye17)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 12:42am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/86 "2018-12-11T00:42:00Z")
> [@vcm0x](#): > > before, i used to die 3-5x from a bomber every round that has planes. > > since the patch, i’ve died to a bomber exactly once (my last round)! > > i like this change. bombers shouldn’t be able to very easily get 50+ kills a round. What they should’ve done is make it easier to shoot down instead of nerfing it to hell ---
**Author:** ![20200sfly](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/2/9de053/32.png) [@20200sfly](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/20200sfly)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 2:18am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/87 "2018-12-11T02:18:00Z")
> [@hawkseye17](#): > > > [@vcm0x](#): > > > > before, i used to die 3-5x from a bomber every round that has planes. > > > > since the patch, i’ve died to a bomber exactly once (my last round)! > > > > i like this change. bombers shouldn’t be able to very easily get 50+ kills a round. > > What they should’ve done is make it easier to shoot down instead of nerfing it to hell Adapt, right? Isn’t that what u guys always said to people when the complained about op bombers/planes? ---
**Author:** ![hawkseye17](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawkseye17/32/102181_2.png) [@hawkseye17](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/hawkseye17)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/88 "2018-12-11T02:27:00Z")
> [@20200sfly](#): > > > [@hawkseye17](#): > > > > > [@vcm0x](#): > > > > > > before, i used to die 3-5x from a bomber every round that has planes. > > > > > > since the patch, i’ve died to a bomber exactly once (my last round)! > > > > > > i like this change. bombers shouldn’t be able to very easily get 50+ kills a round. > > > > What they should’ve done is make it easier to shoot down instead of nerfing it to hell > > Adapt, right? Isn’t that what u guys always said to people when the complained about op bombers/planes? I never said such a thing. When people complained about bombers in BF1, I told them that those bombers were easily shot down. In BFV, bombers are significantly harder to shoot down. ---
**Author:** ![20200sfly](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/2/9de053/32.png) [@20200sfly](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/20200sfly)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 2:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/89 "2018-12-11T02:40:00Z")
> [@hawkseye17](#): > > > [@20200sfly](#): > > > > > [@hawkseye17](#): > > > > > > > [@vcm0x](#): > > > > > > > > before, i used to die 3-5x from a bomber every round that has planes. > > > > > > > > since the patch, i’ve died to a bomber exactly once (my last round)! > > > > > > > > i like this change. bombers shouldn’t be able to very easily get 50+ kills a round. > > > > > > What they should’ve done is make it easier to shoot down instead of nerfing it to hell > > > > Adapt, right? Isn’t that what u guys always said to people when the complained about op bombers/planes? > > I never said such a thing. When people complained about bombers in BF1, I told them that those bombers were easily shot down. In BFV, bombers are significantly harder to shoot down. I meant in general. When people complain about something being op, the people who enjoy the benefits respond with things like “git gud” and “just adapt”. But when those same people have something nerfed that they like to do [see: snipers, pilots] its the end of the world and “lines are crossed”. So why don’t u guys be better than that and “just adapt”? ---
**Author:** ![Jonesy\_0\_o](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jonesy_0_o/32/106827_2.png) [@Jonesy\_0\_o](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Jonesy_0_o)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 6:24am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/90 "2018-12-11T06:24:00Z")
TL;DR “Paper is OP! Nerf it! Scissors are fine.” -Rock ---
**Author:** ![Donidon](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@Donidon](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Donidon)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 6:44am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/91 "2018-12-11T06:44:00Z")
I can not fly, but killing with a bomber is very easy. Flying is still very easy, stop crying! Balancing is very good now. ---
**Author:** ![TheSacar](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thesacar/32/104967_2.png) [@TheSacar](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TheSacar)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 7:07am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/92 "2018-12-11T07:07:00Z")
> [@20200sfly](#): > > > [@hawkseye17](#): > > > > > [@20200sfly](#): > > > > > > > [@hawkseye17](#): > > > > > > > > > [@vcm0x](#): > > > > > > > > > > before, i used to die 3-5x from a bomber every round that has planes. > > > > > > > > > > since the patch, i’ve died to a bomber exactly once (my last round)! > > > > > > > > > > i like this change. bombers shouldn’t be able to very easily get 50+ kills a round. > > > > > > > > What they should’ve done is make it easier to shoot down instead of nerfing it to hell > > > > > > Adapt, right? Isn’t that what u guys always said to people when the complained about op bombers/planes? > > > > I never said such a thing. When people complained about bombers in BF1, I told them that those bombers were easily shot down. In BFV, bombers are significantly harder to shoot down. > > I meant in general. > > When people complain about something being op, the people who enjoy the benefits respond with things like “git gud” and “just adapt”. But when those same people have something nerfed that they like to do [see: snipers, pilots] its the end of the world and “lines are crossed”. > > So why don’t u guys be better than that and “just adapt”? Seriously. Long before the patch pilots on this forum were saying that the JU-88 needs to be nerfed. I actually cannot remember anyone saying “git gud” when people complained about the JU-88. So your comment is at best, a stab in the dark. . On the other hand adapting may be possible with some planes to a certain extent, but others have completely lost all use. The Spitfire VB for example is now pretty useless. As are in my opinion Stukas, which should be able to precision bomb tanks. But how do you do that with a single 250kg bombg that more offten than not weirdly bounces of tanks to do a whopping 3 damage? . Contrary to what I have read here from some the spitfire VA and BF109 G-6 are not useless. I can still manage a 25:0 but in 25 minutes and not really having any impact on the ground battle. To have that they need to either be able to target tanks or more than an occasional infantry soldier. And perhaps also throw flares, but those you can’t have anymore if you want the bombs. Right now fighters play out their own little side battle in the air. And that is just stupid. . And like it or not. THe recent nerf to all planes is, to my recollection, the most heavy handed single nerf to any weapon, class or vehicle in the history of battlefield. The Sitfire VA for example lost 65% of its ammunition, while the BF109 lost 79% of the Minengeschoss ammunition, which was also nerfed in relation to general damage and splash damage. ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 7:13am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/93 "2018-12-11T07:13:00Z")
> [@TheSacar](#): > > . > Contrary to what I have read here from some the spitfire VA and BF109 G-6 are not useless. I can still manage a 25:0 but in 25 minutes and not really having any impact on the ground battle. To have that they need to either be able to target tanks or more than an occasional infantry soldier. And perhaps also throw flares, but those you can’t have anymore if you want the bombs. Right now fighters play out their own little side battle in the air. And that is just stupid. > . > And like it or not. THe recent nerf to all planes is, to my recollection, the most heavy handed single nerf to any weapon, class or vehicle in the history of battlefield. The Spitfire VA for example lost 65% of its ammunition, while the BF109 lost 79% of the Minengeschoss ammunition, which was also nerfed in relation to general damage and splash damage. The german fighters are in fact still overpowered vs bombers as they can use their airburst rockets to 2hk any bomber with no chances for the allied bomber to ever damage them back enough in time. The asymmetrical vehicle (im)balance can go rot as far as I am concerned ---
**Author:** ![hawk79\_360](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/e9a140/32.png) [@hawk79\_360](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/hawk79_360)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 7:43am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/94 "2018-12-11T07:43:00Z")
> [@TheSacar](#): > > > [@20200sfly](#): > > > > > [@hawkseye17](#): > > > > > > > [@20200sfly](#): > > > > > > > > > [@hawkseye17](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@vcm0x](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > before, i used to die 3-5x from a bomber every round that has planes. > > > > > > > > > > > > since the patch, i’ve died to a bomber exactly once (my last round)! > > > > > > > > > > > > i like this change. bombers shouldn’t be able to very easily get 50+ kills a round. > > > > > > > > > > What they should’ve done is make it easier to shoot down instead of nerfing it to hell > > > > > > > > Adapt, right? Isn’t that what u guys always said to people when the complained about op bombers/planes? > > > > > > I never said such a thing. When people complained about bombers in BF1, I told them that those bombers were easily shot down. In BFV, bombers are significantly harder to shoot down. > > > > I meant in general. > > > > When people complain about something being op, the people who enjoy the benefits respond with things like “git gud” and “just adapt”. But when those same people have something nerfed that they like to do [see: snipers, pilots] its the end of the world and “lines are crossed”. > > > > So why don’t u guys be better than that and “just adapt”? > > Seriously. Long before the patch pilots on this forum were saying that the JU-88 needs to be nerfed. I actually cannot remember anyone saying “git gud” when people complained about the JU-88. So your comment is at best, a stab in the dark. > . > On the other hand adapting may be possible with some planes to a certain extent, but others have completely lost all use. The Spitfire VB for example is now pretty useless. As are in my opinion Stukas, which should be able to precision bomb tanks. But how do you do that with a single 250kg bombg that more offten than not weirdly bounces of tanks to do a whopping 3 damage? > . > Contrary to what I have read here from some the spitfire VA and BF109 G-6 are not useless. I can still manage a 25:0 but in 25 minutes and not really having any impact on the ground battle. To have that they need to either be able to target tanks or more than an occasional infantry soldier. And perhaps also throw flares, but those you can’t have anymore if you want the bombs. Right now fighters play out their own little side battle in the air. And that is just stupid. > . > And like it or not. THe recent nerf to all planes is, to my recollection, the most heavy handed single nerf to any weapon, class or vehicle in the history of battlefield. The Sitfire VA for example lost 65% of its ammunition, while the BF109 lost 79% of the Minengeschoss ammunition, which was also nerfed in relation to general damage and splash damage. Voice of wisdom you are TheSacar, yes. Take sith infantry down we shall. B) B) B) ---
**Author:** ![TheSacar](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thesacar/32/104967_2.png) [@TheSacar](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TheSacar)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 8:33am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/95 "2018-12-11T08:33:00Z")
> [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > [@TheSacar](#): > > > > . > > Contrary to what I have read here from some the spitfire VA and BF109 G-6 are not useless. I can still manage a 25:0 but in 25 minutes and not really having any impact on the ground battle. To have that they need to either be able to target tanks or more than an occasional infantry soldier. And perhaps also throw flares, but those you can’t have anymore if you want the bombs. Right now fighters play out their own little side battle in the air. And that is just stupid. > > . > > And like it or not. THe recent nerf to all planes is, to my recollection, the most heavy handed single nerf to any weapon, class or vehicle in the history of battlefield. The Spitfire VA for example lost 65% of its ammunition, while the BF109 lost 79% of the Minengeschoss ammunition, which was also nerfed in relation to general damage and splash damage. > > The german fighters are in fact still overpowered vs bombers as they can use their airburst rockets to 2hk any bomber with no chances for the allied bomber to ever damage them back enough in time. > > The asymmetrical vehicle (im)balance can go rot as far as I am concerned Yeah, those rockets really should not do more than 30 damage for a perfect hit. They are however great to stick it to the seat switchers 😄 reminds me of the days when you could just drop trench darts on seat switcher’s planes to take them out 😃 ---
**Author:** ![xxShiftyxxx](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/dc4da7/32.png) [@xxShiftyxxx](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xxShiftyxxx)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 10:48am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/96 "2018-12-11T10:48:00Z")
Again where is a DEV ??? Why can’t they come to the forums and say they screwed up with there last patch… We over did it with the Air nerfing our bad we will fix in next update​💩💩🤬 _Edited to remove swearing. - EA\_Cian_ ---
**Author:** ![Masher8559](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/masher8559/32/102752_2.png) [@Masher8559](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Masher8559)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 11:09am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/97 "2018-12-11T11:09:00Z")
The JU-88 was just way too good at release. However instead of making some tweaks until we hit a sweet spot DICE go and nerf planes across the board, add reload times, buff AA, reduce payload and of course whilst it brings the JU-88 down, it also hit other planes that were completely fine such as Stuka real hard. Bombing the spawn was disgusting and needed to be removed, i admit i did it a few times its very satisfying seeing 15 kills come up at round start but as infantry it was infuriating and just bad game design. ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 11:32am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/98 "2018-12-11T11:32:00Z")
> [@TheSacar](#): > > > [@Hawxxeye](#): > > > > > [@TheSacar](#): > > > > > > . > > > Contrary to what I have read here from some the spitfire VA and BF109 G-6 are not useless. I can still manage a 25:0 but in 25 minutes and not really having any impact on the ground battle. To have that they need to either be able to target tanks or more than an occasional infantry soldier. And perhaps also throw flares, but those you can’t have anymore if you want the bombs. Right now fighters play out their own little side battle in the air. And that is just stupid. > > > . > > > And like it or not. THe recent nerf to all planes is, to my recollection, the most heavy handed single nerf to any weapon, class or vehicle in the history of battlefield. The Spitfire VA for example lost 65% of its ammunition, while the BF109 lost 79% of the Minengeschoss ammunition, which was also nerfed in relation to general damage and splash damage. > > > > The german fighters are in fact still overpowered vs bombers as they can use their airburst rockets to 2hk any bomber with no chances for the allied bomber to ever damage them back enough in time. > > > > The asymmetrical vehicle (im)balance can go rot as far as I am concerned > > Yeah, those rockets really should not do more than 30 damage for a perfect hit. They are however great to stick it to the seat switchers 😄 reminds me of the days when you could just drop trench darts on seat switcher’s planes to take them out 😃 Why do the seat switchers get so much grief? We’re they supposed to just stay in the pilot seat and let the fighter have his way with them? The bomber almost never gets fighter or aa support from its team or even a gunner and often the gunner does a poor job. . ---
**Author:** ![Kongo030](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/ba8739/32.png) [@Kongo030](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Kongo030)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 12:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/99 "2018-12-11T12:54:00Z")
My guess is the real devs were moved to the next project. What we see now is things being done by AI and interns. ---
**Author:** ![SirSouthpaw](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@SirSouthpaw](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SirSouthpaw)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 1:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113/100 "2018-12-11T13:15:00Z")
> [@Jonesy\_0\_o](#): > > TL;DR > > “Paper is OP! Nerf it! Scissors are fine.” -Rock nailed it! [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113.md?page=4) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/nerfed-the-bomber-to-death-and-airplanes-in-general-you-crossed-the-line/106113.md?page=6)