# New patch is the death of the Support and Recon class. **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 16, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380 "2019-01-16T00:58:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Shrediron](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/shrediron/32/107153_2.png) [@Shrediron](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Shrediron)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/1 "2019-01-16T00:58:00Z")
First post. The newest patch where the game returns to the old days of showing who killed you and where they were will kill off the camper playstyle. I know many people do not like campers, but people who camp do not like twitch players…so its mutual. 1. My camping playstyle is due to a few reasons. - I like to play the support class, pretty much exclusively. Its the only class that appeals to me in regards to playstyle and weapons. - Many of the support class guns require you to be prone to be effective. This in and of itself is a huge negative to the playstyle due to being prone to a greater number of head shots. The best way to be effective at being prone is to find locations where you are not easily spotted so you can do your thing. This newest patch now shows the enemy exactly where you were so they can easily retaliate. This is not an issue for twitch players on the move given the speed at which the player runs in game. If you were to get killed by someone running, there is a 99.9999999999% chance they will NOT be in that same location. This is not the case for campers or the prone playstyle. You essentially just nerfed a good portion of your player base, based on their preferred playstyle in game that again, is reinforced by how some weapons must be used. I would think that Dice being a 26 year old company, and EA being as old as the universe would have come across this argument at least once. So, I can not claim you are ignorant of your decision, but simply willing to nerf a portion of your player base who did not need it to start with. This is a huge turn off for me and I question if I will be playing in the future. 1. Machine Gunnner: Where is the suppression for Machine Gunnner? If we choose machine gunner we get the ability to spot players and that is…pretty much it. Where is our actual working second ability like other classes get? 2. Engineer: The nerf to the anti-aircraft turret is about one of the dumbest things I have seen in game so far. It was already challenge enough to take on a plane, now its borderline impossible. The 7.5 seconds (2 second increase over not having the trait) is not enough time to even get off 30 points of damage before the plane vanishes over the horizon and repairs/refuels. Planes were already dominating playfields, in many cases completely turning the tide of the battle…now, they just got buffed into god mode because there is little now that can challenge a plane. Assault and Medic are easily argued to be the best classes in game. Why the huge nerf to support players? I played 1942 DC mod back in the day. Left for awhile when my clan dissolved and played bad company 2, until I got sniped by a shotgun from one end of the map to the other (by an actual cheater). I left the game due to a lack of proactivity on banning cheaters. Battlefield 5 is easily 20x worse than Bad Company 2 in that regard, but I am holding off from critique until EA Dice gets some time to do their first wave of bans. Sadly, balance decisions alone may drive me and others away long before the cheaters do. ---
**Author:** ![Shrediron](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/shrediron/32/107153_2.png) [@Shrediron](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Shrediron)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 2:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/2 "2019-01-16T02:40:00Z")
Take note of the top kills (and score) in this picture. He was in a plane for 95% of the match, UNCONTESTED. We could not shoot him down. The nerf to engineering and anti-aircraft guns was completely COMPLETEY unnecessary. ![wvzrqw.jpg](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/e/5/e5f131accdb96138018cac74f6ec580819fc0c20.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![SOULJ4R](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/soulj4r/32/107186_2.png) [@SOULJ4R](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SOULJ4R)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 3:13am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/3 "2019-01-16T03:13:00Z")
Get him boys!! ---
**Author:** ![UnearthedCO](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/cab0a1/32.png) [@UnearthedCO](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/UnearthedCO)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 3:24am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/4 "2019-01-16T03:24:00Z")
The killcam is horrible. BFV was fine they way it was. The only change that needed to be made was for the medic class to have a few weapons that were actually good. ---
**Author:** ![VindictiV\_V](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/c89c15/32.png) [@VindictiV\_V](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VindictiV_V)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 3:26am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/5 "2019-01-16T03:26:00Z")
Are you really putting medics (SMGs) on the same lvl as assaults (ARs and SLRs)? That is hilarious! Is this an april fool’s joke in advance? ---
**Author:** ![Shrediron](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/shrediron/32/107153_2.png) [@Shrediron](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Shrediron)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 3:31am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/6 "2019-01-16T03:31:00Z")
> [@VindictiVagabond](#): > > Are you really putting medics (SMGs) on the same lvl as assaults (ARs and SLRs)? That is hilarious! Is this an april fool’s joke in advance? Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I never said medics were the same as assault, I said they were better than support and recon (which is pretty well known). ---
**Author:** ![FocalCapybara34](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/e19b73/32.png) [@FocalCapybara34](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/FocalCapybara34)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 4:03am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/7 "2019-01-16T04:03:00Z")
> [@UnearthedCO](#): > > The killcam is horrible. BFV was fine they way it was. The only change that needed to be made was for the medic class to have a few weapons that were actually good. The killcam was broken and showed nothing most of the time ---
**Author:** ![darkkterror](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/3d9bf3/32.png) [@darkkterror](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/darkkterror)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 4:21am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/8 "2019-01-16T04:21:00Z")
Support is my most played class by far (my only rank 20 at the moment) and Recon is probably my second or possibly third most played. Neither class requires you to camp and I welcome the death of the camper play style. ---
**Author:** ![VindictiV\_V](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/c89c15/32.png) [@VindictiV\_V](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VindictiV_V)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 4:34am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/9 "2019-01-16T04:34:00Z")
> [@Shrediron](#): > > > [@VindictiVagabond](#): > > > > Are you really putting medics (SMGs) on the same lvl as assaults (ARs and SLRs)? That is hilarious! Is this an april fool’s joke in advance? > > Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I never said medics were the same as assault, I said they were better than support and recon (which is pretty well known). Actually, sounds more like you are either ignorant or biased. Or maybe both. Ask everybody that is objective and they will all tell you that it’s currently Assault followed closely by support right behind that are actually the strongest classes in the game. Medic weapons are only decent up to 30m for face offs (1v1s). Afterward they are beaten by every single assault or support weapon (well, excluding shotguns obviously). If you lose a 1v1 against a SMG user past 30m and you’re playing support, you are bad at the game. Also, you are clearly complaining about killcam which was part of every bf title tho, ironically, you forgot to consider that this title rewards camping a lot more than any previous title thanks to soldiers blending in so well with the background plus the lack of 3d spotting, unless suppressed or tagged by a scout which is rare, and short TTK (plus all the bugs like TTD or direction-of-incoming-damage UI bug). Without the killcam, you had it easy camping skillessly (cuz face it, picking a camping spot to set up shop doesn’t take much brain, reflexes or aim) and now that you cannot kill squads of people and remain on the same spot farming effortlessly, you complain. ---
**Author:** ![Ploodovic](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Ploodovic](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ploodovic)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 4:38am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/10 "2019-01-16T04:38:00Z")
> [@Shrediron](#): > > Take note of the top kills (and score) in this picture. He was in a plane for 95% of the match, UNCONTESTED. We could not shoot him down. > > The nerf to engineering and anti-aircraft guns was completely COMPLETEY unnecessary. Your side didn’t have any planes, to keep the skies clear? ---
**Author:** ![Austacker](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/austacker/32/101246_2.png) [@Austacker](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Austacker)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 4:49am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/11 "2019-01-16T04:49:00Z")
I’ve been a Support / MMG ‘main’ since Battlefield 3. I’ve about given up now in the franchise. DICE doesn’t care, like or want this playstyle in their games anymore. - **Suppression Removed**. No notice, no discussion - just axed it. You can lay down withering fire on enemies and they just laugh and ‘ping’ - one shot dead. It’s stupid. - **Cannot Hipfire MMGs**. Another Nerf from previous games. No notice, no discussion - just axed it - **Bipods Broken.** Yes, they’re supposed to be patched but right now it’s a tedious mess - **Prone Animations broken.** You slide forwards, sideways so often without even touching the controller it’s infuriating. - **MMG range support nerfed.** Removed all the long range scopes for MMGs. They have them for LMGs, but the MMGs didn’t get any. WHY??!?!? - **Fortifications are a joke.** Nice ideal addition, can take 30 seconds to set up defences… one frag grenade blows it sky high. Utter waste of time! ---
**Author:** ![parkingbrake](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ee7513/32.png) [@parkingbrake](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/parkingbrake)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 4:58am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/12 "2019-01-16T04:58:00Z")
> [@UnearthedCO](#): > > The killcam is horrible. BFV was fine they way it was. The only change that needed to be made was for the medic class to have a few weapons that were actually good. There was nothing wrong with the Medic weapons, the only problem was players who refuse to understand that as a Medic their primary role is healing and reviving team mates, not getting into shooting contests with opponents at longer ranges. We don’t need to go back to the old Assault medical class which had so much firepower that many who played that class made little if any effort to heal and revive. I don’t mind that DICE has tried to emphasize class roles in BFV, if you want better guns, play Assault or Support. ---
**Author:** ![full951](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/full951/32/102018_2.png) [@full951](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/full951)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 4:59am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/13 "2019-01-16T04:59:00Z")
suppression is not wanted. sucks we can’t hip fire mmg bipids will get fixed prone will get fixed. the push forward is usually because you’re next to a solid object mmg does good bi poded don’t it? fortifications are a let down but the sandbags were buffed right? ---
**Author:** ![thebossman2202](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/59ef9b/32.png) [@thebossman2202](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/thebossman2202)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 4:59am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/14 "2019-01-16T04:59:00Z")
Support has wide range of weapons that takes on any class. MMGS need a buff true but the Laser Bren. FG-42, LEWIS GUN and KE-7 still get the job done. Also the shotguns IMO are very strong on some maps. I used to suck with the M1987, but after learning its strengths I kill with it. ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 5:05am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/15 "2019-01-16T05:05:00Z")
> [@full951](#): > > mmg does good bi poded don’t it? The recoil change for prone MMGs has hurt the MMG accuracy enough that it is not worth engaging enemies who are far enough from the mg42 that one would need to ADS to shoot people with it while prone. ---
**Author:** ![StealthAria](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@StealthAria](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/StealthAria)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 5:23am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/16 "2019-01-16T05:23:00Z")
> [@Ploodovic](#): > > Your side didn’t have any planes, to keep the skies clear? Not all the planes are balanced. Right now the Spitfires dominate the skies because they’re so nimble, before that it was the Mosquito. And even as the Allies, if the Axis have multiple planes up it’s suicide to try flying without a wingman or two ready to fly out with you. I don’t entirely agree with OP, but I do belive that AA needs a bit of a buff. As they currently stand, I see AA fire as little more than beacons highlighting easy kills while I’m flying. On one hand it’s nice that taking out AA is so easy, on the other it’s boring that one can so easily dominate the sky. Best fix I can think of is to give vehicle MGs the same incendiary rounds as the VGO and MG42, and let them aim higher. Maybe throw in a tooltip about using MMG “aimed” hip-fire to damage aircraft. ---
**Author:** ![parkingbrake](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ee7513/32.png) [@parkingbrake](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/parkingbrake)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 5:29am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/17 "2019-01-16T05:29:00Z")
Austacker wrote: [»](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/11) I’ve been a Support / MMG ‘main’ since Battlefield 3. I’ve about given up now in the franchise. DICE doesn’t care, like or want this playstyle in their games anymore. - **Suppression Removed**. No notice, no discussion - just axed it. You can lay down withering fire on enemies and they just laugh and ‘ping’ - one shot dead. It’s stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Austacker](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/austacker/32/101246_2.png) [@Austacker](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Austacker)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 5:29am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/18 "2019-01-16T05:29:00Z")
> [@thebossman2202](#): > > Support has wide range of weapons that takes on any class. > > MMGS need a buff true but the Laser Bren. FG-42, LEWIS GUN and KE-7 still get the job done. Also the shotguns IMO are very strong on some maps. I used to suck with the M1987, but after learning its strengths I kill with it. That’s the irony. The MMGs are useless on the move and LMGs are more effective at range. MMGs are pushed into a very specific role with a lot of downsides if you don’t employ them correctly - yet are not the best in class option for what they do. Support LMGs are actually great and have a lot of flexibility. MMGs are very specific and have just been nerfed (again). I don’t know why DICE doesn’t just do away with the MMGs completely in this game, it’s pretty clear they hate this class and spec. They’ve been nerfing them since before BF5 even launched. ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 5:52am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/19 "2019-01-16T05:52:00Z")
> [@parkingbrake](#): > > [ > Surely this is obvious. Those weapons have very high rates of fire and at least some have extended ammo supply, they’re already capable of withering fire when prone. Add telescopic sights to that mix and players would be sitting hundreds of yards back with an MG-42 making an objective uninhabitable for the other team. I understand why they did this, it really is a balance decision. Not with the current recoil. it would maybe do some hit markers at best at long range before the target either takes cover or shoots back with greater precision. ---
**Author:** ![Vinicarioca](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Vinicarioca](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Vinicarioca)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 5:59am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380/20 "2019-01-16T05:59:00Z")
Supports is fine to me. Medics is fine after the update, i can hipfore almost running and land a lot of headshots while moving extremely accurate Lol. Loving the mp40 Recons need a buff thoug, if it is up to me i remove the 3x scopes for everyone, except the recons. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/new-patch-is-the-death-of-the-support-and-recon-class/106380.md?page=2)