# No French or Russian army? Really? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 14, 2016, 7:01am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006 "2016-06-14T07:01:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![fr3d182](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/e0b2c6/32.png) [@fr3d182](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/fr3d182)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/41 "2016-06-16T14:28:00Z")
Everyone know that it started with both but Austro-Hungarians wanted the war with or without the incident,the only one against it was the one murdered,I doubt if the Serbian accepted all the demands from Austro-Hungarians empire would have changed anything. ---
**Author:** ![AFROSRB](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@AFROSRB](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/AFROSRB)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/42 "2016-06-16T14:31:00Z")
> [@fr3d182](#): > > Everyone know that it started with both but Austro-Hungarians wanted the war with or without the incident,the only one against it was the one murdered,I doubt if the Serbian accepted all the demands from Austro-Hungarians empire would have changed anything. You right, it probably wouldn’t, but it doesn’t change the historical fact that it began with them both…and this is what was intended by my statement. ---
**Author:** ![CAPT\_Gangplank](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/eb9ed0/32.png) [@CAPT\_Gangplank](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CAPT_Gangplank)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:46pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/43 "2016-06-16T14:46:00Z")
You also have to take into account the faction’s popularity, @AFROSRB. Canadians will have players. France will have players. I can’t wait to play the Italians and Ottomans. Somehow I think EA came up with the same math I did. I think the Serbian army would be relegated to oblivion, not matter how extraordinary their deeds were, and indeed they were extraordinary. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JohnnySmirnov)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/44 "2016-06-16T14:56:00Z")
> [@Peningro](#): > > > [@AFROSRB](#): > > > > > [@visegrip117](#): > > > > > > > [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > > > > > > > [@visegrip117](#): > > > > > > > > > > Ea/dice is a business. > > > > > Businesses need to make money. > > > > > > > > > > USA is the largest market for EA. It’s simple math. > > > > > > > > So what? It means you now need to overlook the others? > > > > > > No, I don’t necessarily agree with “overlooking” the others. But he was wondering why the US, who played a “small role” is included. > > > > > > That’s the answer. The US is the biggest market, and they were in the war. It’s only logical in a business sense to include them. > > > > Yes, it’s logical to be included, and I don’t have anything against it, BUT with a BIG “B”, why emphasizing the so called “Hellfighters” with main cover, extras by preordering, and so on, having such a small role compared to other countries like Russia, France, Serbia, Canada, Australia and others??!! It’s not only money, it’s propaganda! a BF Game will sell either way, and most of the people where amazed by the trailer & not by the cover. It’s WW1, and who the hell is thinking immediately of a black guy when he hears WW1? Common EA, that’s silly! Instead making that front cover of several factions, or similar! > > > > I say all this despite the fact that I’m black, why this black dude needs to be on the front cover when this Serbian bad boy looks so much cooler 😃 > > > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BSMWbUSLyI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BSMWbUSLyI) > > > > It’s NOT OK or better said hypocritical, simple as that. > > Bringing in the Austro-Hungarians whereas Germans already are included (which I’ve nothing against, more factions the better) BUT again, not including the CAUSE and counterpart SERBIA with whom all began, is without any justified common sense, except for reasons we all mentioned, which can only be described as a hypocritical deed. No one needs to agree with me…but truth hurts I know 😉 > > You don’t know what you’re talking about, right? Your school teachers probably forgot to teach you some history. It all began with AUSTRIA-HUNGARY declaring war to Serbia after they didn’t accept an ultimatum we gave them. > > Comparing us Austrians with Germans? Wow, dude.. You’re one hypoctitical . So, why would I add the Americans? There’s already a British faction implemeted into the game. Now, you would yell at me, cuz I hurt your lovely MURICA. You guys aren’t the center of the universe, you guys were p\* in WW1. Get your facts right, you ignorant p\*\*. Dude, chill, don’t be so overreactive. Also, to be fair, the reasons why WW1 started are pretty confusing, and complicated. Some say it’s because of Germans having problems with Chinese (and they actually had fights with Chinese btw), some say it’s because of Germany declaring war on Russia and so on. There is no 100% true answer. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JohnnySmirnov)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/45 "2016-06-16T15:01:00Z")
> [@AFROSRB](#): > > > [@visegrip117](#): > > > > > [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > > > > > [@visegrip117](#): > > > > > > > > Ea/dice is a business. > > > > Businesses need to make money. > > > > > > > > USA is the largest market for EA. It’s simple math. > > > > > > So what? It means you now need to overlook the others? > > > > No, I don’t necessarily agree with “overlooking” the others. But he was wondering why the US, who played a “small role” is included. > > > > That’s the answer. The US is the biggest market, and they were in the war. It’s only logical in a business sense to include them. > > Yes, it’s logical to be included, and I don’t have anything against it, BUT with a BIG “B”, why emphasizing the so called “Hellfighters” with main cover, extras by preordering, and so on, having such a small role compared to other countries like Russia, France, Serbia, Canada, Australia and others??!! It’s not only money, it’s propaganda! a BF Game will sell either way, and most of the people where amazed by the trailer & not by the cover. It’s WW1, and who the hell is thinking immediately of a black guy when he hears WW1? Common EA, that’s silly! Instead making that front cover of several factions, or similar! > > I say all this despite the fact that I’m black, why this black dude needs to be on the front cover when this Serbian bad boy looks so much cooler 😃 > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BSMWbUSLyI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BSMWbUSLyI) > > It’s NOT OK or better said hypocritical, simple as that. > Bringing in the Austro-Hungarians whereas Germans already are included (which I’ve nothing against, more factions the better) BUT again, not including the CAUSE and counterpart SERBIA with whom all began, is without any justified common sense, except for reasons we all mentioned, which can only be described as a hypocritical deed. No one needs to agree with me…but truth hurts I know 😉 Personally I think, is that if they wanted to show heroism of black people etc, they should have paid at least some attention to for example Askaris. I am not saying that Harlem Hellfighters dont deserve some attention or un-interesting, but at least from my perspective (I can be wrong though), Askaris played a pretty big role, at least in African campaign. Why not to include them and thus some more interesting things like for example battles between Germans and French/Belgians in Africa? P.S. Whoops, sorry for double-posting. ---
**Author:** ![Peningro](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/peningro/32/103096_2.png) [@Peningro](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Peningro)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/46 "2016-06-16T15:21:00Z")
Since the German, Russian and British (those 3 I think) were all related with eachother, some people say or list facts that the war could’ve been prohibited if Queen Victoria was still alive in the years when the war started. @AFROSRB I don’t read people’s IDs, so I didn’t know that you’re of Serbian decent. Also, Serbia didn’t play that much of a role in the battles till the Germans f\* up at the Eastern Front and Austria-Hungary had to send most of their forces up there. So Serbia began to stay a chance against the Austro-Hungarian Armies. Otherwise they would’ve been devastated. ---
**Author:** ![Stil3r](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Stil3r](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Stil3r)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/47 "2016-06-16T17:15:00Z")
> [@Peningro](#): > > @AFROSRB I don’t read people’s IDs, so I didn’t know that you’re of Serbian decent. Also, Serbia didn’t play that much of a role in the battles till the Germans f\* up at the Eastern Front and Austria-Hungary had to send most of their forces up there. So Serbia began to stay a chance against the Austro-Hungarian Armies. Otherwise they would’ve been devastated. What? Serbia fought from the start of the war. They saw one of the highest losses in terms of their overall population throughout the war, over 27% of them lost. They fought the most against Austria-Hungary. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JohnnySmirnov)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 7:09pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/48 "2016-06-16T19:09:00Z")
Btw, I maybe missed something, but I am surprised not so many people mentioned Belgians, and noone even remembered Bulgarians. ---
**Author:** ![AFROSRB](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@AFROSRB](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/AFROSRB)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/49 "2016-06-16T19:54:00Z")
> [@Peningro](#): > > Also, Serbia didn’t play that much of a role in the battles till the Germans f\* up at the Eastern Front and Austria-Hungary had to send most of their forces up there. So Serbia began to stay a chance against the Austro-Hungarian Armies. Otherwise they would’ve been devastated. This is far away from the truth…did you even read about Serbian Campaign? I can think of it that you didn’t, otherwise you wouldn’t say such things. You should read the whole article to understand what really was going on. I will just post few things to see directly what’s the deal. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian\_Campaign\_of\_World\_War\_I#Serbian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Campaign_of_World_War_I#Serbian) _“Although Serbia tried to remedy this deficit by ordering 120,000 rifles from Russia in 1914, the weapons did not begin to arrive until the second half of August. Only 1st ban troops had complete uniforms, 2nd ban troops had only greatcoats and caps, while 3rd ban had no uniforms at all and were reduced to wearing their civilian clothes. The Serbian troops did not have service issued boots at all, and a vast majority of them wore everyday footwear made of pig skin called opanak.”_ So Serbian peasants won the War against much much better equipped Austrians. And this alone is reason enough to include Serbs in the Game. The Serbs made something impossible possible, because they fought with heart. Battle of Cer[edit] Main article: Battle of Cer First Attack on Serbia, August 1914 _"Potiorek rushed the attack against Serbia from northern Bosnia with his Fifth Army, supported by elements of the Second Army from Syrmia. The Second Army was due to be transported to Galicia to face the Russians at the end of August, but he made use of it until then. The Sixth was positioning itself in southern Bosnia and was not yet able to commence offensive operations. Potiorek’s desire was to win a victory before Emperor Franz Joseph’s birthday and to knock Serbia out as soon as possible. Thus he made two grave strategic errors by attacking with only just over half of his strength and attacking hilly western Serbia instead of the open plains of the north. This move surprised MarshalPutnik, who expected attack from the north and initially believed that it was a feint. Once it became clear that it was the main thrust, the strong Second Army under the command of General Stepa Stepanović was sent to join the small Third Army under Pavle Jurišić Šturmalready facing the Austro-Hungarians and expel the invaders. After a fierce four-day battle, the Austro-Hungarians were forced to retreat, marking the first Allied victory of the war over the Central Powers led by Germany and Austria-Hungary. Casualties numbered 23,000 for the Austro-Hungarians (of whom 4,500 were captured) and 16,500 for the Serbs._ Where were Russians? we fought Austria off all alone, Russians only gave weapons. Furthermore we was defending off Austria to get to the Russian Front in Battle of Drina Maxim МG 10 of Serbian Royal Army _Under pressure from its allies, Serbia conducted a limited offensive across the Sava river into the Austro-Hungarian region of Syrmia with its Serbian First Army. **The main operational goal was to delay the transport of the Austro-Hungarian Second Army to the Russian front.** The objective was shown to be futile as forces of the Second Army were already in transport. Meanwhile, the Timok division I of the Serbian Second Army suffered a heavy defeat in a diversionary crossing, suffering around 6,000 casualties while inflicting only 2,000._ ---
**Author:** ![AFROSRB](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@AFROSRB](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/AFROSRB)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/50 "2016-06-16T20:01:00Z")
> [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > Btw, I maybe missed something, but I am surprised not so many people mentioned Belgians, and noone even remember Bulgarians. I mentioned them lol 😉 , in fact few others mentioned them also [https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us/search?Search=belgium](https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us/search?Search=belgium) [https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us/search?Search=bulgaria](https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us/search?Search=bulgaria) ---
**Author:** ![JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JohnnySmirnov)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/51 "2016-06-16T20:21:00Z")
> [@AFROSRB](#): > > > [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > > Btw, I maybe missed something, but I am surprised not so many people mentioned Belgians, and noone even remember Bulgarians. > > I mentioned them lol 😉 , in fact few others mentioned them also > [https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us/search?Search=belgium](https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us/search?Search=belgium) > > [https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us/search?Search=bulgaria](https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us/search?Search=bulgaria) Oh, my bad then. ---
**Author:** ![VBALL\_MVP](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/vball_mvp/32/103977_2.png) [@VBALL\_MVP](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VBALL_MVP)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/52 "2016-06-16T20:27:00Z")
> [@Franky76G](#): > > > [@smys123](#): > > > > > [@Franky76G](#): > > > > > > Shame on you EA and DICE. I bet you lost a lot of french customers and probably russians too. I’ll vote with my wallet, but not the way you expected. > > > > [https://twitter.com/werejul/status/742421054426124288](https://twitter.com/werejul/status/742421054426124288) - put that in google translate, and it confirms they will be in the game > > As a paying DLC. For two major actors of the war ? It sounds like they treat french and russians as minor countries. Because that’s how you put usually minors actors in a game, DLC. > And yet they only mentionned France, not even Russia. > > I don’t buy that dev “un soin tout particulier”. They have been forced to answer criticism for the lack of french soldiers and that was their answer. > You can argue that BF is not about History, but it is still based on it. Being treated like that is highly insulting. Actually it sounds like a good business plan since all of you are complaining that the French should be in the game, this will entice people to pay for the DLC. That’s genius. ---
**Author:** ![AFROSRB](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@AFROSRB](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/AFROSRB)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 8:29pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/53 "2016-06-16T20:29:00Z")
> [@VBALL\_MVP](#): > > Actually it sounds like a good business plan since all of you are complaining that the French should be in the game, this will entice people to pay for the DLC. > > That’s genius. U so right, oh man, didn’t even think about that. lol ---
**Author:** ![crakface](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/crakface/32/101572_2.png) [@crakface](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/crakface)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/54 "2016-06-16T20:52:00Z")
They really cutting costs down at EA ---
**Author:** ![ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/aeb1de/32.png) [@ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ilikem14)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/55 "2016-06-16T21:02:00Z")
> [@Ameeba37](#): > > Harlem Hellfighters are there to appeal to the US audience which is massive. French army will be in a DLC and I expect same treatment for Russian army too. We get the russian m1895 lever action rifle ---
**Author:** ![UnderbossNiko](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/cab0a1/32.png) [@UnderbossNiko](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/UnderbossNiko)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/56 "2016-06-16T22:17:00Z")
> [@blackaddR](#): > > They’re going to release maybe 5 dlc, surely they will add the French. I thought in the 2nd Teaser trailer, it was the French in it. > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-85DdBR-Kgw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-85DdBR-Kgw) That’s probably an Italian in the Italian Alps blackaddR. The Italian’s commissioned helmets from the french to use for their own troops. ---
**Author:** ![Wistfane](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/cc9497/32.png) [@Wistfane](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Wistfane)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 10:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/57 "2016-06-16T22:33:00Z")
DICE really dropped the ball on this one. Its like having a WW2 game with no Germans in it ---
**Author:** ![JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JohnnySmirnov](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JohnnySmirnov)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/58 "2016-06-16T23:52:00Z")
> [@Wistfane](#): > > DICE really dropped the ball on this one. Its like having a WW2 game with no Germans in it More like without Soviets. ---
**Author:** ![Wistfane](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/cc9497/32.png) [@Wistfane](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Wistfane)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006/59 "2016-06-16T23:54:00Z")
> [@JohnnySmirnov](#): > > > [@Wistfane](#): > > > > DICE really dropped the ball on this one. Its like having a WW2 game with no Germans in it > > More like without Soviets. theres plenty of those but I have yet to see one without the Germans. What with them being the main belligerent in the war as were the French in ww1 [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/no-french-or-russian-army-really/102006.md?page=2)