# PIAT's max damage to front of medium tanks is 44, and to the rear it's 61 (more than a light tank) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 25, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444 "2019-01-25T18:31:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/winterwarhurst/32/107315_2.png) [@WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/WinterWarhurst)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/1 "2019-01-25T18:31:00Z")
The PIAT’s damage model is currently doing more damage to the rear of a medium tank (61) than it is to the rear of a light tank (56). Not only is the PIAT overpowered in my opinion, it is inconsistent across tank classes. Furthermore a single PIAT can do 44 damage frontally to a medium tank because the front track wheels, when hit frontally, deal perfect side damage multipliers. The PIAT is also dealing the same OHK splash damage to infantry as a Tiger’s 88mm (100 damage within 1.5m) Here are my findings from testing the PIAT against every tank in servers: PIAT to Pz. 38t & Staghound 56 Turret (any angle) 38 Front 56 Side 56 Rear PIAT to Medium Tanks 31 Turret (any angle) 35 Front (85 degrees +) 43 Side (85 degrees +) 61 Rear (60 degrees +) Panzerfaust to Medium Tanks 19 Turret (any angle) 21 Front (85 degrees +angle) 23 Side (85 degrees +) 29 Rear (60 degrees +) PIAT to Tiger 31 Turret (always disable even with upgraded turret ring) 22 Turret Mantlet (always disable even with upgraded turret ring) 30 Front 37 Side 48 Rear (always disable) PIAT to Churchill VII 28 Turret 28 Front 37 Side 48 Rear PANZERFAUST to Churchill VII 17 Turret 18 Front. 21 Side 26 Rear ---
**Author:** ![BL4CK\_W4LL](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bl4ck_w4ll/32/101352_2.png) [@BL4CK\_W4LL](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BL4CK_W4LL)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/2 "2019-01-25T18:39:00Z")
Was using piat last night and the accuracy was all over the place. Was it always so inaccurate? Going to the left or right of where you aimed? Difficult to get full damage consistantly even if you mastered the steep drop off because of this. And from my experience it still takes 3 piat to the rear of the tank to destroy it. Not sure if that’s cause of the tank quick self repair button. ---
**Author:** ![munkt0r](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@munkt0r](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/munkt0r)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/3 "2019-01-25T18:43:00Z")
> [@BL4CK\_W4LL\_](#): > > Was using piat last night and the accuracy was all over the place. Was it always so inaccurate? Going to the left or right of where you aimed? > > Difficult to get full damage consistantly even if you mastered the steep drop off because of this. > > And from my experience it still takes 3 piat to the rear of the tank to destroy it. Not sure if that’s cause of the tank quick self repair button. Personally, when using the tank I always pop that emergency repair after the 2nd hit, never the first. I’ve never died to only 2 hits (since the patch that addressed PF damage). Then again, I don’t know when i’m getting hit by a PF or a PIAT so WinterWarhurst could be 100% accurate on a 2 hits to the rear being a kill with teh PIAT…I simply don’t know enough about the math of damage as I don’t bother to care, i’m more of a “go by feel” kinda player =) ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/4 "2019-01-25T18:55:00Z")
I have the weirdest case of deja vu that I have seen this topic before during the beta of BFV ---
**Author:** ![WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/winterwarhurst/32/107315_2.png) [@WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/WinterWarhurst)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/5 "2019-01-25T19:11:00Z")
> [@BL4CK\_W4LL\_](#): > > Was using piat last night and the accuracy was all over the place. Was it always so inaccurate? Going to the left or right of where you aimed? > > Difficult to get full damage consistantly even if you mastered the steep drop off because of this. > > And from my experience it still takes 3 piat to the rear of the tank to destroy it. Not sure if that’s cause of the tank quick self repair button. If you hip fire, fire while bunnyhopping, etc. there is spread, you have to fire ‘ADS’. Quick repair for a medium tank does either 33, or 10 if with field repair. ---
**Author:** ![WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/winterwarhurst/32/107315_2.png) [@WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/WinterWarhurst)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/6 "2019-01-25T19:11:00Z")
> [@Hawxxeye](#): > > I have the weirdest case of deja vu that I have seen this topic before during the beta of BFV I didn’t see it, would be interested in it though! ---
**Author:** ![WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/winterwarhurst/32/107315_2.png) [@WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/WinterWarhurst)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/7 "2019-01-25T19:14:00Z")
> [@munkt0r](#): > > > [@BL4CK\_W4LL\_](#): > > > > Was using piat last night and the accuracy was all over the place. Was it always so inaccurate? Going to the left or right of where you aimed? > > > > Difficult to get full damage consistantly even if you mastered the steep drop off because of this. > > > > And from my experience it still takes 3 piat to the rear of the tank to destroy it. Not sure if that’s cause of the tank quick self repair button. > > Personally, when using the tank I always pop that emergency repair after the 2nd hit, never the first. > > I’ve never died to only 2 hits (since the patch that addressed PF damage). Then again, I don’t know when i’m getting hit by a PF or a PIAT so WinterWarhurst could be 100% accurate on a 2 hits to the rear being a kill with teh PIAT…I simply don’t know enough about the math of damage as I don’t bother to care, i’m more of a “go by feel” kinda player =) It doesn’t matter if after first or second so long as it does more than 33 damage, in which case do it after the first because that way you can’t get it wrong if you take two additional hits simultaneously. I find most players I play with have mastered the range, hell a friend of mine even killed me in Allies spawn on Devestation from the church doors on Charlie, although that is an incredibly extreme example. Competitive players are amazing with the PIAT. All stats I’ve posted are tested in game, and cross referenced against the data mined game files, they are accurate, I typically tested three times on each side/ surface, on each tank. ---
**Author:** ![Woodlbrad](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@Woodlbrad](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Woodlbrad)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 11:44pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/8 "2019-01-25T23:44:00Z")
Meanwhile tank rounds are trash. ---
**Author:** ![WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/winterwarhurst/32/107315_2.png) [@WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/WinterWarhurst)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 4:11am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/9 "2019-01-26T04:11:00Z")
> [@Woodlbrad](#): > > Meanwhile tank rounds are trash. Upgraded medium tank cannons only do 85 splash max in 1.3m, it’s crazy, a frag launcher does more. ---
**Author:** ![craigerswuzhere](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/d78d45/32.png) [@craigerswuzhere](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/craigerswuzhere)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 4:46am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/10 "2019-01-26T04:46:00Z")
I get a lot of direct hits to tanks, for vehicle hits between 5 - 10 damage, from less than 25 meters ALL THE TIME. ---
**Author:** ![WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/winterwarhurst/32/107315_2.png) [@WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/WinterWarhurst)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 5:24am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/11 "2019-01-26T05:24:00Z")
> [@craigerswuzhere](#): > > I get a lot of direct hits to tanks, for vehicle hits between 5 - 10 damage, from less than 25 meters ALL THE TIME. Then you need to practice your aim, because if you hit the turret at ANY angle whatsoever it will do max damage (57 to a light tank or 31 to a medium), if you hit a flat surface the same, you can’t just randomly aim, and if you’re hip firing, you will have crazy spread. ---
**Author:** ![SOULJ4R](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/soulj4r/32/107186_2.png) [@SOULJ4R](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SOULJ4R)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 5:42am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/12 "2019-01-26T05:42:00Z")
De ja vu ---
**Author:** ![Skepticus66](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Skepticus66](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Skepticus66)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 7:03am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/13 "2019-01-26T07:03:00Z")
> [@WinterWarhurst](#): > > The PIAT’s damage model is currently doing more damage to the rear of a medium tank (61) than it is to the rear of a light tank (56). > > PIAT to Tiger > 31 Turret (always disable even with upgraded turret ring) > 22 Turret Mantlet (always disable even with upgraded turret ring) > 30 Front > 37 Side > 48 Rear (always disable) > > PIAT to Churchill VII > 28 Turret > 28 Front > 37 Side > 48 Rear > > PANZERFAUST to Churchill VII > 17 Turret > 18 Front. > 21 Side > 26 Rear I knew there was something funky about the Tiger damage model. The Tiger had far more armor than the Churchill, so why the hell does it take MORE damage? Not only is the damage too high, but they will also de-track you with any side hit instantly. It’s like the code to determine damaged components is set to 100% of time. ---
**Author:** ![SWE-Androctonus](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/71e660/32.png) [@SWE-Androctonus](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SWE-Androctonus)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 7:22am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/14 "2019-01-26T07:22:00Z")
The Piat needs a nerf against infantry. It´s ohk splash radius is absurd. I actually got killed 5m away from a friendly tank that got hit by a Piat from full health. That´s a bit to powerful. Not only do quite a bit of damage to the tank, but kills anything close to it. ---
**Author:** ![narnold700](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/f05b48/32.png) [@narnold700](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/narnold700)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 7:35am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/15 "2019-01-26T07:35:00Z")
Yes, thanks to your posts we have all had the PAIT damage numbers vs tanks burned into our minds. Yes, we know that some of the damage values seem a bit strange and should probably be reviewed and tweaked accordingly. I’m also glad I mostly stopped using fust as man those damage numbers are gimp. I personally think the issue here is more some of the strange damage mechanics some AT weapons have vs AFVs and not so much that the PAIT is outright OP. I mean I hit someone in an AA tank the other day with 2 PAITs and a grenade bundle but they survived yet a Tiger I did the same thing two days before popped. Surely most people will agree that anything that can pop a full health heavy tank should pop an AA tank. I would say this is a perfect example of the sometimes strange damage mechanics in the game when it comes to these kinds of things. I think the only thing that should be done to sorta nerf the AT weapons is lower their carry capacity by 1, but then again I’d also favor this change to ammo for primary weapons as well. ---
**Author:** ![WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/winterwarhurst/32/107315_2.png) [@WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/WinterWarhurst)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/16 "2019-01-26T15:37:00Z")
> [@Skepticus66](#): > > > [@WinterWarhurst](#): > > > > The PIAT’s damage model is currently doing more damage to the rear of a medium tank (61) than it is to the rear of a light tank (56). > > > > PIAT to Tiger > > 31 Turret (always disable even with upgraded turret ring) > > 22 Turret Mantlet (always disable even with upgraded turret ring) > > 30 Front > > 37 Side > > 48 Rear (always disable) > > > > PIAT to Churchill VII > > 28 Turret > > 28 Front > > 37 Side > > 48 Rear > > > > PANZERFAUST to Churchill VII > > 17 Turret > > 18 Front. > > 21 Side > > 26 Rear > > I knew there was something funky about the Tiger damage model. The Tiger had far more armor than the Churchill, so why the hell does it take MORE damage? Not only is the damage too high, but they will also de-track you with any side hit instantly. It’s like the code to determine damaged components is set to 100% of time. The Tiger suffers in this regard because people always aim for the tracks during frontal engagements… This is a much harder shot on the Churchills… But if you get it, you do maximum side damage multipliers! ---
**Author:** ![WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/winterwarhurst/32/107315_2.png) [@WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/WinterWarhurst)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/17 "2019-01-26T15:39:00Z")
> [@narnold700](#): > > Yes, thanks to your posts we have all had the PAIT damage numbers vs tanks burned into our minds. Yes, we know that some of the damage values seem a bit strange and should probably be reviewed and tweaked accordingly. I’m also glad I mostly stopped using fust as man those damage numbers are gimp. I personally think the issue here is more some of the strange damage mechanics some AT weapons have vs AFVs and not so much that the PAIT is outright OP. I mean I hit someone in an AA tank the other day with 2 PAITs and a grenade bundle but they survived yet a Tiger I did the same thing two days before popped. Surely most people will agree that anything that can pop a full health heavy tank should pop an AA tank. I would say this is a perfect example of the sometimes strange damage mechanics in the game when it comes to these kinds of things. I think the only thing that should be done to sorta nerf the AT weapons is lower their carry capacity by 1, but then again I’d also favor this change to ammo for primary weapons as well. Yeah like I say, one of the main reasons for the PIAT being the way it is, is because of the 2.2x rear multiplier on a medium, and 1.67x on the rear of a light… And more importantly the fact that hitting tracks on front of a tank will do side damage multipliers. It’s more than just the PIAT… But the damage values of the PIAT really demonstrate how broken the vehicle damage mechanics are more than anything else! ---
**Author:** ![wiazabi](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/85e7bf/32.png) [@wiazabi](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/wiazabi)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/18 "2019-01-26T16:15:00Z")
These things among many others i wish we could test in the testing area, feels like its going to waste when we cant use all tanks / vehicles / weapons and all their specialisations. ---
**Author:** ![V1kingH4mster](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/v1kingh4mster/32/107283_2.png) [@V1kingH4mster](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/V1kingH4mster)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/19 "2019-01-26T19:40:00Z")
i must get very unlucky then every time i hit a tank with that i get between 5-20 damage on one ---
**Author:** ![Holyshogun](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/ed655f/32.png) [@Holyshogun](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Holyshogun)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/piats-max-damage-to-front-of-medium-tanks-is-44-and-to-the-rear-its-61-more-than-a-light-tank/106444/20 "2019-01-31T03:09:00Z")
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