# Planes and small arms fire **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 25, 2016, 10:57am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519 "2016-05-25T10:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jihad\_Jockey](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jihad_jockey/32/102395_2.png) [@Jihad\_Jockey](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Jihad_Jockey)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 10:57am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/1 "2016-05-25T10:57:00Z")
I’m really looking forward to flying in BF1. I’m also looking forward to shooting at planes with my gun when playing infantry. But I really hope they balance it properly. Obviously we dont know anything about damage models yet, but i feel that one soldier should not be able to down one aircraft purely on his own, at least not without having to replenish his ammo. Its likely they will keep the max player count to 64. Which means there’s a possibility of 32 players all firing at the same aircraft. Its not always going to happen, but my point is that if one player can easily down an aircraft, then ten players could take it down before the pilot has a chance to try “evasive manoeuvres”. I know some pilots complained about “stinger spam” in BF4/BF3, but this could be a whole different league. No matter what class you choose, you will be able to damage aircraft without having to change your loadout. Again, i’m looking forward to it, I just hope its balance correctly. ---
**Author:** ![JuveOG1105](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/eada6e/32.png) [@JuveOG1105](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JuveOG1105)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 12:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/2 "2016-05-25T12:41:00Z")
I doubt 1 single man will be able to take a plane out by himself he’ll likely do like 1 damage like in BFBC2 Vietnam. I can’t wait to see the damage model especially since I play a lot of War thunder it’ll be cool watching someone loose complete control of their aircraft after being shot up. ---
**Author:** ![Jihad\_Jockey](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jihad_jockey/32/102395_2.png) [@Jihad\_Jockey](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Jihad_Jockey)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/3 "2016-05-25T13:44:00Z")
> [@JuveOG1105](#): > > I doubt 1 single man will be able to take a plane out by himself he’ll likely do like 1 damage like in BFBC2 Vietnam. I can’t wait to see the damage model especially since I play a lot of War thunder it’ll be cool watching someone loose complete control of their aircraft after being shot up. Yeah i really hope they dont make it that easy to take down aircraft. ---
**Author:** ![JuveOG1105](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/eada6e/32.png) [@JuveOG1105](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JuveOG1105)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/4 "2016-05-25T14:02:00Z")
> [@Jihad\_Jockey](#): > > > [@JuveOG1105](#): > > > > I doubt 1 single man will be able to take a plane out by himself he’ll likely do like 1 damage like in BFBC2 Vietnam. I can’t wait to see the damage model especially since I play a lot of War thunder it’ll be cool watching someone loose complete control of their aircraft after being shot up. > > Yeah i really hope they dont make it that easy to take down aircraft. I don’t think it will if anything as a pilot you’re biggest threats will be flak and other aircraft. ---
**Author:** ![Jihad\_Jockey](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jihad_jockey/32/102395_2.png) [@Jihad\_Jockey](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Jihad_Jockey)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 2:14pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/5 "2016-05-25T14:14:00Z")
> [@JuveOG1105](#): > > > [@Jihad\_Jockey](#): > > > > > [@JuveOG1105](#): > > > > > > I doubt 1 single man will be able to take a plane out by himself he’ll likely do like 1 damage like in BFBC2 Vietnam. I can’t wait to see the damage model especially since I play a lot of War thunder it’ll be cool watching someone loose complete control of their aircraft after being shot up. > > > > Yeah i really hope they dont make it that easy to take down aircraft. > > I don’t think it will if anything as a pilot you’re biggest threats will be flak and other aircraft. Agreed, the biggest threat (and your primary target) should be enemy air, but believe me when you start doing well in any aircraft a lot of enemies will think of nothing else but taking you out. ---
**Author:** ![JuveOG1105](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/eada6e/32.png) [@JuveOG1105](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JuveOG1105)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 3:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/6 "2016-05-25T15:33:00Z")
> [@Jihad\_Jockey](#): > > > [@JuveOG1105](#): > > > > > [@Jihad\_Jockey](#): > > > > > > > [@JuveOG1105](#): > > > > > > > > I doubt 1 single man will be able to take a plane out by himself he’ll likely do like 1 damage like in BFBC2 Vietnam. I can’t wait to see the damage model especially since I play a lot of War thunder it’ll be cool watching someone loose complete control of their aircraft after being shot up. > > > > > > Yeah i really hope they dont make it that easy to take down aircraft. > > > > I don’t think it will if anything as a pilot you’re biggest threats will be flak and other aircraft. > > Agreed, the biggest threat (and your primary target) should be enemy air, but believe me when you start doing well in any aircraft a lot of enemies will think of nothing else but taking you out. Yeah me and my buddy where pretty good in the attack heli so use to that kind of attention. I imagine it will be pretty similar to avoid ground fire whether it be small arms or flak. Just run and hide for a sec then come back and pound rinse and repeat. ---
**Author:** ![VBALL\_MVP](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/vball_mvp/32/103977_2.png) [@VBALL\_MVP](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VBALL_MVP)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 11:44am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/7 "2016-05-26T11:44:00Z")
It will be interesting how effective planes will be since in WW1 they were not as game changing as later wars. ---
**Author:** ![Jihad\_Jockey](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jihad_jockey/32/102395_2.png) [@Jihad\_Jockey](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Jihad_Jockey)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 12:08pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/8 "2016-05-26T12:08:00Z")
> [@VBALL\_MVP](#): > > It will be interesting how effective planes will be since in WW1 they were not as game changing as later wars. This is my main worry. I see a lot of posts that see small arms fire being the equivalent of infantry lock ons, but they ignore the fact that the planes will be vastly underpowered compared to the jets in BF3 & BF4. ---
**Author:** ![JuveOG1105](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/eada6e/32.png) [@JuveOG1105](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JuveOG1105)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 12:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/9 "2016-05-26T12:27:00Z")
> [@Jihad\_Jockey](#): > > > [@VBALL\_MVP](#): > > > > It will be interesting how effective planes will be since in WW1 they were not as game changing as later wars. > > This is my main worry. I see a lot of posts that see small arms fire being the equivalent of infantry lock ons, but they ignore the fact that the planes will be vastly underpowered compared to the jets in BF3 & BF4. How much damage do lock ons do? I never use them. Small arms should do little damage and they should have well placed aa guns through out the maps that do the real heavy hitting. I want aa to be able to destroy aa guns but they should respawn in a certain amount of time. ---
**Author:** ![forthecandy](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/3ec8ea/32.png) [@forthecandy](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/forthecandy)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 1:07pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/10 "2016-05-26T13:07:00Z")
Well… death by infantry fire was quite common, when pilot flew low to avoid flak (it was hard to aim low flying planes with flak), as it was rather easy to hit a target flying at ~150 km/h. It only took well aimed shot at the pilot or fuel tank… Plane had no armor, so bullet of any caliber flew right through the plane, damaging its structure. Even Manfred von Richthofen was killed by infantry fire, when flying low, the bullet flew right through him. ---
**Author:** ![Jihad\_Jockey](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jihad_jockey/32/102395_2.png) [@Jihad\_Jockey](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Jihad_Jockey)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 1:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/11 "2016-05-26T13:16:00Z")
> [@forthecandy](#): > > Well… death by infantry fire was quite common, when pilot flew low to avoid flak (it was hard to aim low flying planes with flak), as it was rather easy to hit a target flying at ~150 km/h. It only took well aimed shot at the pilot or fuel tank… Plane had no armor, so bullet of any caliber flew right through the plane, damaging its structure. Even Manfred von Richthofen was killed by infantry fire, when flying low, the bullet flew right through him. Yeah I kinda thought as much. That was the reason for this thread. > [@JuveOG1105](#): > > > [@Jihad\_Jockey](#): > > > > > [@VBALL\_MVP](#): > > > > > > It will be interesting how effective planes will be since in WW1 they were not as game changing as later wars. > > > > This is my main worry. I see a lot of posts that see small arms fire being the equivalent of infantry lock ons, but they ignore the fact that the planes will be vastly underpowered compared to the jets in BF3 & BF4. > > How much damage do lock ons do? I never use them. Small arms should do little damage and they should have well placed aa guns through out the maps that do the real heavy hitting. I want aa to be able to destroy aa guns but they should respawn in a certain amount of time. Stinger does 55 damage in BF4. I wouldnt be opposed to having pick weapons that did a lot more damage to aircraft ---
**Author:** ![JuveOG1105](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/eada6e/32.png) [@JuveOG1105](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JuveOG1105)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 1:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/12 "2016-05-26T13:20:00Z")
Or the anti tank rifle doing damage. But for gameplays sake I don’t want small arms fire doing that much damage. That’d be stupid and nobody would fly. Idc what happened in real life. ---
**Author:** ![Jihad\_Jockey](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jihad_jockey/32/102395_2.png) [@Jihad\_Jockey](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Jihad_Jockey)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 1:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/13 "2016-05-26T13:20:00Z")
> [@JuveOG1105](#): > > Or the anti tank rifle doing damage. But for gameplays sake I don’t want small arms fire doing that much damage. That’d be stupid and nobody would fly. Idc what happened in real life. Agreed 100% ---
**Author:** ![heast1](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/heast1/32/102187_2.png) [@heast1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/heast1)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 10:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/14 "2016-05-26T22:20:00Z")
> [@Jihad\_Jockey](#): > > Obviously we dont know anything about damage models yet, but i feel that one soldier should not be able to down one aircraft purely on his own, at least not without having to replenish his ammo. i suppose it will vulnerable like a littlebird, forced to land and repair. except a one shot for anti tank gun, yes ---
**Author:** ![Stil3r](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Stil3r](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Stil3r)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 2:41am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/15 "2016-05-27T02:41:00Z")
> [@VBALL\_MVP](#): > > It will be interesting how effective planes will be since in WW1 they were not as game changing as later wars. Planes could be quite devastating, especially later on when they developed more and had two seaters and were used to ground tactics. A quote from T.E. Lawrence: “When the smoke had cleared it was seen that the organization of the enemy had melted away. They were a dispersed horde of trembling individuals, hiding for their lives in every fold of the vast hills. Nor did their commanders ever rally them again. When our cavalry entered the silent valley the next day they could count ninety guns, fifty lorries, and nearly a thousand carts abandoned with all their belongings. The RAF lost four killed. The Turks lost a corps.” ---
**Author:** ![DingoKillr](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/dingokillr/32/101728_2.png) [@DingoKillr](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DingoKillr)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/16 "2016-05-27T03:32:00Z")
There is talk vehicles will have dynamic damage. A Single Anti-Tank bullet or Infantry bullet is not going to do much damage to most of the plane, but to the engine it would. Multiple bullets to the tail section or a wing would make aircraft harder to control. Pilots had no protection at all. ---
**Author:** ![Bohunk\_l](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bohunk_l/32/101385_2.png) [@Bohunk\_l](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Bohunk_l)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/17 "2016-05-27T03:43:00Z")
I believe a single round from a bolt action rifle should do somewhere between 1-5 damage, and approximately 10-20 per mag of automatics (assuming all hits). That should be enough that concentrated fire from a group is dangerous, but a lone soldier is barely a threat. Of course I also assume that there will be AA emplacements on at least some maps ---
**Author:** ![ChickNFoot](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/chicknfoot/32/101502_2.png) [@ChickNFoot](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ChickNFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 3:54am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/18 "2016-05-27T03:54:00Z")
As long as it doesn’t melt an aircraft I’m fine with it. ---
**Author:** ![H-Hour\_Absolute](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/85f322/32.png) [@H-Hour\_Absolute](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/H-Hour_Absolute)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/19 "2016-05-27T16:26:00Z")
> [@JuveOG1105](#): > > I doubt 1 single man will be able to take a plane out by himself he’ll likely do like 1 damage like in BFBC2 Vietnam. I can’t wait to see the damage model especially since I play a lot of War thunder it’ll be cool watching someone loose complete control of their aircraft after being shot up. dude what version of BFBC2: Vietnam did you play? The version I played, you needed only a couple reloads from a certain pistol to down a chopper… I don’t even know if it took more than 2 reloads to down a chopper with a sniper rifle. Even in BFBC2: Vanilla, it only took 7 shots to dispatch a chooper (using the M95) The OP does have a point… ---
**Author:** ![JuveOG1105](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/eada6e/32.png) [@JuveOG1105](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JuveOG1105)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519/20 "2016-05-27T16:36:00Z")
> [@H-Hour\_Absolute](#): > > > [@JuveOG1105](#): > > > > I doubt 1 single man will be able to take a plane out by himself he’ll likely do like 1 damage like in BFBC2 Vietnam. I can’t wait to see the damage model especially since I play a lot of War thunder it’ll be cool watching someone loose complete control of their aircraft after being shot up. > > dude what version of BFBC2: Vietnam did you play? > > The version I played, you needed only a couple reloads from a certain pistol to down a chopper… > > I don’t even know if it took more than 2 reloads to down a chopper with a sniper rifle. Even in BFBC2: Vanilla, it only took 7 shots to dispatch a chooper (using the M95) > > The OP does have a point… Hmmmm I usually ran the RPK or M60 I remember it taking a bit of damage before it went down but it has been a while. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-and-small-arms-fire/101519.md?page=2)