# Planes ruin the game **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 12, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842 "2019-04-12T20:00:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![fragnstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/fragnstein/32/106687_2.png) [@fragnstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/fragnstein)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/1 "2019-04-12T20:00:00Z")
Especially on maps like fjell. Aa is pretty much useless on a bomber so they just come right at you. Not to mention the plane just flys so low where the window to do any dmg is small. All you can do is hope your team has someone capable to deal with them, but then it’s just the same problem for the other team then. ---
**Author:** ![von\_Campenstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/von_campenstein/32/101003_2.png) [@von\_Campenstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/von_Campenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/2 "2019-04-12T20:04:00Z")
> [@fragnstein](#): > > Especially on maps like fjell. Aa is pretty much useless on a bomber so they just come right at you. Not to mention the plane just flys so low where the window to do any dmg is small. All you can do is hope your team has someone capable to deal with them, but then it’s just the same problem for the other team then. Fjell would be better if they added stationary AA, added fortifications and a couple of tunnels through the mountain to get between flags while avoiding the constant peppering from planes. First time you saw the map you knew it was going for be farmville like BF1 Rupture. ---
**Author:** ![PrecisionWing](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/precisionwing/32/103161_2.png) [@PrecisionWing](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PrecisionWing)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/3 "2019-04-12T22:49:00Z")
> [@fragnstein](#): > > Especially on maps like fjell. Aa is pretty much useless on a bomber so they just come right at you. Not to mention the plane just flys so low where the window to do any dmg is small. All you can do is hope your team has someone capable to deal with them, but then it’s just the same problem for the other team then. It’s a plane based map, and if you can always jump in a fighter to shoot those bomber down, it’s not hard at all. ---
**Author:** ![Pyr0Plazma](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/pyr0plazma/32/106472_2.png) [@Pyr0Plazma](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Pyr0Plazma)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 10:58pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/4 "2019-04-12T22:58:00Z")
> [@PrecisionWing](#): > > > [@fragnstein](#): > > > > Especially on maps like fjell. Aa is pretty much useless on a bomber so they just come right at you. Not to mention the plane just flys so low where the window to do any dmg is small. All you can do is hope your team has someone capable to deal with them, but then it’s just the same problem for the other team then. > > It’s a plane based map, and if you can always jump in a fighter to shoot those bomber down, it’s not hard at all. “It’s a plane based map” There’s no such thing. A plane based map is air superiority where everyone has a plane. ---
**Author:** ![CSO7777](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@CSO7777](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CSO7777)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 11:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/5 "2019-04-12T23:04:00Z")
Fjell is awful. The objectives are death-traps for infantry, because of bombers just farming kills. Whenever you try to cap a flag it’s more or less random whether you get killed by a plane or not. Bombers doesn’t really fit in a game with infantry-players and Fjell is the best example of this (Arras can be bad too). ---
**Author:** ![IDirtY\_SeCreT](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/ee7513/32.png) [@IDirtY\_SeCreT](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IDirtY_SeCreT)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/6 "2019-04-13T00:01:00Z")
Planes ruin Fjell = planes ruin the game Nice conclusion you got there 😃 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![PrecisionWing](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/precisionwing/32/103161_2.png) [@PrecisionWing](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PrecisionWing)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 2:21am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/7 "2019-04-13T02:21:00Z")
> [@IDirtY\_SeCreT](#): > > Planes ruin Fjell = planes ruin the gameNice conclusion you got there 😃 😃 😃 I’m not even surprised ---
**Author:** ![Woodlbrad](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@Woodlbrad](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Woodlbrad)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 5:13am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/8 "2019-04-13T05:13:00Z")
Because stationary AA is trash they are in the worst locations and tickle planes with pathetic damage. ---
**Author:** ![Rex\_Holez](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/rex_holez/32/106606_2.png) [@Rex\_Holez](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rex_Holez)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 6:08am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/9 "2019-04-13T06:08:00Z")
I love the map environment especially when the blizzard hits but the layout is awful. ---
**Author:** ![TheyHaveScissors](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/theyhavescissors/32/103495_2.png) [@TheyHaveScissors](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TheyHaveScissors)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 8:37am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/10 "2019-04-13T08:37:00Z")
Small arms do pathetic amount of damage, even the LMG’s with the AA ammunition (except the MG42 which you need to use in duos of trios with your squad to down a plane which never happens on publics). ---
**Author:** ![NLBartmaN](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/f9ae1b/32.png) [@NLBartmaN](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NLBartmaN)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 9:52am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/11 "2019-04-13T09:52:00Z")
I keep on wondering why infantry only players play BF… Planes are in a terrible state right now (too little damage, hard to hit something with on console and terrible to fly) in this BF and some players still whine about them… ---
**Author:** ![oXGeminiXo](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/a87d85/32.png) [@oXGeminiXo](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/oXGeminiXo)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 10:35am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/12 "2019-04-13T10:35:00Z")
> [@NLBartmaN](#): > > I keep on wondering why infantry only players play BF… > > Planes are in a terrible state right now (too little damage, hard to hit something with on console and terrible to fly) in this BF and some players still whine about them… Yeah it is easier to whine about planes then to learn to use them. Dice put practice range in and even though it isnt the best I was able to figure out how what control layout works for me and general shooting enemie planes enough that I could easily get better as I go in pub matches. What practice range doesnt do is show people how to bomb seat switch on any other thing people complain about with flying. AA guns need to be used in tandem with other pilots and you need to learn to lead targets. I actually turned the tides in the air without being on the ground because I can make it harder for the enemy to kill my planes and weaken them enough for my pilots to take them out. Also if they are now focused on you and the AA then that means they are not strafing your team. Equip support engineer and you can keep repairing the AA gun and troll them. Planes are far from OP against ground due to poor visibilty and flight mechanics make it so you have to look for planes first unless you want to be melted without a chance to flee and reset. ---
**Author:** ![StormSaxon](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/ecc23a/32.png) [@StormSaxon](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/StormSaxon)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 11:08am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/13 "2019-04-13T11:08:00Z")
Planes have been annoying infantry since BF3. No change there. They shouldn’t be on Fjell though. ---
**Author:** ![SirBobdk](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sirbobdk/32/103491_2.png) [@SirBobdk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SirBobdk)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 11:12am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/14 "2019-04-13T11:12:00Z")
> [@StormSaxon](#): > > Planes have been annoying infantry since BF3. No change there. > They shouldn’t be on Fjell though. They should, but not like now. ---
**Author:** ![Narfiam](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/narfiam/32/102021_2.png) [@Narfiam](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Narfiam)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 11:21am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/15 "2019-04-13T11:21:00Z")
AA is very bad in this game, why them don’t just made the AA as good as it was in BF1? in BF1 the AA guns were useful enough and nobody complained about it. ---
**Author:** ![IDirtY\_SeCreT](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/ee7513/32.png) [@IDirtY\_SeCreT](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IDirtY_SeCreT)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 11:27am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/16 "2019-04-13T11:27:00Z")
> [@Narfiam](#): > > AA is very bad in this game, why them don’t just made the AA as good as it was in BF1? in BF1 the AA guns were useful enough and nobody complained about it. AA guns can be usefull in the right hands. What I often see are players with zero skill camping in the AA cause they got killed 2 times by a plane and want revenge. If they can’t kill the plane the AA is useless 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Agente\_Silva](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ac8455/32.png) [@Agente\_Silva](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Agente_Silva)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 11:28am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/17 "2019-04-13T11:28:00Z")
There you have it… The “stick and stone” mentality… this is the kind of player Battlefield has turned to… Casual and effortless… Maybe Minecraft is your thing… The game is ruining the game ---
**Author:** ![xKusagamix](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/xkusagamix/32/104118_2.png) [@xKusagamix](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xKusagamix)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 12:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/18 "2019-04-13T12:15:00Z")
Infantry in BF1 suffered from the dumb Vehicle spawn system, their is nothing that forced them to use the Fighter plane or Attack plane instead of Bomber plane to farm infantry kills. And it’s even worse in BFV because they actually broke the balance completely destroy the role of the Fighter plane, it’s ridiculous that Bombers are now have way better maneuver than a Fighter plane and can out turn them. People are dogfight Fighter plane and have a higher chance to win with Bomber, that’s just dumb. No one want to use Fighter planes anymore because they hardly being threat for Infantry and they’re almost useless again Bomber. People just hop on a Bomber to bomb the crap out down below and call it a day. ---
**Author:** ![NLBartmaN](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/f9ae1b/32.png) [@NLBartmaN](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NLBartmaN)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 12:22pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/19 "2019-04-13T12:22:00Z")
> [@xKusagamix](#): > > Infantry in BF1 suffered from the dumb Vehicle spawn system, their is nothing that forced them to use the Fighter plane or Attack plane instead of Bomber plane to farm infantry kills. > > And it’s even worse in BFV because they actually broke the balance completely destroy the role of the Fighter plane, it’s ridiculous that Bombers are now have way better maneuver than a Fighter plane and can out turn them. People are dogfight Fighter plane and have a higher chance to win with Bomber, that’s just dumb. > > No one want to use Fighter planes anymore because they hardly being threat for Infantry and they’re almost useless again Bomber. People just hop on a Bomber to bomb the crap out down below and call it a day. 9 out of 10 bombers (only JU-88A is “decent”) are completely useless compared to BF1 and no threat at all for infantry in modes like conquest, no need to take them down. Without spots on console the bomber has a very hard time to kill anyone with the poor visibility, bad flight mechanics and very small blast radius/poor damage. Last patches even nerfed the bombing planes to beyond useless. ---
**Author:** ![Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hawxxeye/32/101036_2.png) [@Hawxxeye](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hawxxeye)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 12:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842/20 "2019-04-13T12:55:00Z")
It is a map problem and not a plane problem just like in Aerodrome the normally pathetic tanks can rack kills [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/planes-ruin-the-game/106842.md?page=2)