# PLease no kill cam in normal and make it competitive **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 7, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868 "2016-05-07T17:36:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MR\_GRUBB](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MR\_GRUBB](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MR_GRUBB)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/1 "2016-05-07T17:36:00Z")
The kill cam in battlefield 4 is to long and give away your position. we already have radar for that. make it a game of skill not like call of duty .. and I hope to see a competitive Like cs go instead of 5v5 make it 10 vs 10 something like that. and get ride of the jumping over wall and knifing animation its so glitchy, and how about nothing below 60 hert server please thank you love that game 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dA\_9\_eL\_81](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/da_9_el_81/32/101026_2.png) [@dA\_9\_eL\_81](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/dA_9_eL_81)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 11:46am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/2 "2016-05-12T11:46:00Z")
I do not support any of these ideas… Except the 60hz-servers maybe… ---
**Author:** ![ZombieP1ow](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/zombiep1ow/32/104199_2.png) [@ZombieP1ow](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ZombieP1ow)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 11:52am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/3 "2016-05-12T11:52:00Z")
The kill cam in BF2MC was good, it showed the position of the other player from the spot you were killed, it didn’t highlight or zoom in. It kept the game from being a campfest, but it wasn’t a “HERE! Look at me!” like in BF4 ---
**Author:** ![Turbo\_Siats](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Turbo\_Siats](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Turbo_Siats)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 12:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/4 "2016-05-12T12:11:00Z")
The k-cam is a server-side option. I guess the server options could be expanded, with separate options for k-cam, and k-cam enemy tracking, and k-cam enemy highlighting. I like getting a hint, though I also like searching and exploring for where a hit came from as a part of the game, and something that makes the environment feel more natural and open to many different possibilies. ---
**Author:** ![swfc4eva1](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/swfc4eva1/32/103667_2.png) [@swfc4eva1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/swfc4eva1)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 12:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/5 "2016-05-12T12:53:00Z")
Just play hc is it that hard, only camping noob snipers dislike killcam! ---
**Author:** ![Peccath](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/peccath/32/103094_2.png) [@Peccath](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Peccath)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 1:06pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/6 "2016-05-12T13:06:00Z")
Normal mode should be for new players to teach them the core mechanics of the game. Classic preset should be the default one. ---
**Author:** ![Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/e19b73/32.png) [@Lordmang4](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Lordmang4)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 1:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/7 "2016-05-12T13:55:00Z")
I want the kill cam removed simply because it leads to immature behavior and actions (e.g. “teabagging”). If a kill cam must be implemented, then I think it should be COD-like and show the historical perspective of the person killing me in the game. ---
**Author:** ![VanillaKilla007](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@VanillaKilla007](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VanillaKilla007)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 2:11pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/8 "2016-05-12T14:11:00Z")
I am against the lighting up of players. I agree with what was said about the BC2 style kill cam that pointed in the direction of the player that killed you without zooming in at all. The lighting up of players gives away a person when they are in a good attacking position and really shouldn’t be in the game at all. ---
**Author:** ![Peccath](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/peccath/32/103094_2.png) [@Peccath](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Peccath)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/9 "2016-05-14T00:01:00Z")
> [@VanillaKilla007](#): > > I am against the lighting up of players. I agree with what was said about the BC2 style kill cam that pointed in the direction of the player that killed you without zooming in at all. Actually, BC2’s killcam was a close up view on the enemy player. Or did you mean just that and I misunderstood the meaning of “zooming in”? ---
**Author:** ![Bohunk\_l](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bohunk_l/32/101385_2.png) [@Bohunk\_l](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Bohunk_l)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 12:06am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/10 "2016-05-14T00:06:00Z")
> [@Lordmang4](#): > > I want the kill cam removed simply because it leads to immature behavior and actions (e.g. “teabagging”). > > If a kill cam must be implemented, then I think it should be COD-like and show the historical perspective of the person killing me in the game. I always thought KillCams where meant to show you how you died so you could improve on your own play style or notice anythjng fishy about the person who killed you. I’ve never liked BF’s KillCams as they basically give away your position and where you are moving too next. If there was anything I want BF to take from CoD it is indeed the KillCams, or at the very least do a TF2 style freeze frame, no need to let players gain a 6th sense upon death. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 12:07am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/11 "2016-05-14T00:07:00Z")
I just think zooming in on the enemy’s position, as well as highlighting them THROUGH WALLS and following them around until you get to the deploy screen is INCREDIBLY overpowered in terms of squad communication. You could sneak up behind an entire squad of enemies without them knowing, pop one in the head with a silenced pistol from a concealed location, and then BAM - his killcam zooms in on your position, highlights you THROUGH your concealed position, relays your exact health, class, and weapon you’re using, AND follows you wherever you go after the guy is already dead. The guy relays your position to his squadmates - your efforts are ENTIRELY thwarted, just by a KILLCAM. I mean - you already get a minimap that gives away enemy positions when they shoot, you already have EVERY gun in the game firing tracer rounds you can see travel across the map from their location, you already have a spotting system that puts giant red doritos above people’s heads and ALSO indicates whether or not they’re using the defensive perk - and on top of ALL of that, you need to know the exact location of EVERY enemy that kills you? And on top of that, you need the camera to ZOOM in on that location and follow them around AFTER you’ve already died? Talk about a crutchy, stupid feature. ---
**Author:** ![Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rev0verDrive)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 12:09am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/12 "2016-05-14T00:09:00Z")
When a game’s default mode is the most “game assisted” in all it’s presets how can anyone take it as competitive? ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/13 "2016-05-14T00:12:00Z")
> [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > When a game’s default mode is the most “game assisted” in all it’s presets how can anyone take it as competitive? ---
**Author:** ![CasualHorseRMax](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/c0e974/32.png) [@CasualHorseRMax](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CasualHorseRMax)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/14 "2016-05-14T00:34:00Z")
People who whine at the killcam are horrible players. Wow, they can see where you killed them from (!), that’s it you’re doomed! There is no way you could move away from there and change positions! I also think it’s funny that you somehow manage to convince yourself there is any kind of chance that a ww1 game will be played as anything competative. > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > > When a game’s default mode is the most “game assisted” in all it’s presets how can anyone take it as competitive? Competitive games have kill cams disabled. ---
**Author:** ![Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rev0verDrive)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/15 "2016-05-14T01:19:00Z")
> [@CasualHorseRMax](#): > > People who whine at the killcam are horrible players. Wow, they can see where you killed them from (!), that’s it you’re doomed! There is no way you could move away from there and change positions! > > I also think it’s funny that you somehow manage to convince yourself there is any kind of chance that a ww1 game will be played as anything competative. > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > > > > When a game’s default mode is the most “game assisted” in all it’s presets how can anyone take it as competitive? > > Competitive games have kill cams disabled. Do they also have doritos, auto-regen and auto-repair as a base foundation of gameplay? ---
**Author:** ![CasualHorseRMax](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/c0e974/32.png) [@CasualHorseRMax](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CasualHorseRMax)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 1:20am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/16 "2016-05-14T01:20:00Z")
> [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > [@CasualHorseRMax](#): > > > > People who whine at the killcam are horrible players. Wow, they can see where you killed them from (!), that’s it you’re doomed! There is no way you could move away from there and change positions! > > > > I also think it’s funny that you somehow manage to convince yourself there is any kind of chance that a ww1 game will be played as anything competative. > > > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > > > [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > > > > > > When a game’s default mode is the most “game assisted” in all it’s presets how can anyone take it as competitive? > > > > Competitive games have kill cams disabled. > > Do they also have doritos, auto-regen and auto-repair as a base foundation of gameplay? Asking about competitive games in BF4? Didn’t quite get that. ---
**Author:** ![Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sir-xer21/32/103487_2.png) [@Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sir-xer21)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 1:27am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/17 "2016-05-14T01:27:00Z")
> [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > [@CasualHorseRMax](#): > > > > People who whine at the killcam are horrible players. Wow, they can see where you killed them from (!), that’s it you’re doomed! There is no way you could move away from there and change positions! > > > > I also think it’s funny that you somehow manage to convince yourself there is any kind of chance that a ww1 game will be played as anything competative. > > > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > > > [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > > > > > > When a game’s default mode is the most “game assisted” in all it’s presets how can anyone take it as competitive? > > > > Competitive games have kill cams disabled. > > Do they also have doritos, auto-regen and auto-repair as a base foundation of gameplay? the competitive side of the game will have it disabled, but it doesnt mean the base experience cant have it. like how there’s no body blocking in CS casual but there is in the actual league matches. ---
**Author:** ![Peccath](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/peccath/32/103094_2.png) [@Peccath](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Peccath)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 1:27am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/18 "2016-05-14T01:27:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > > [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > > When a game’s default mode is the most “game assisted” in all it’s presets how can anyone take it as competitive? ---
**Author:** ![Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rev0verDrive)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 1:27am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/19 "2016-05-14T01:27:00Z")
> [@CasualHorseRMax](#): > > > [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > > > [@CasualHorseRMax](#): > > > > > > People who whine at the killcam are horrible players. Wow, they can see where you killed them from (!), that’s it you’re doomed! There is no way you could move away from there and change positions! > > > > > > I also think it’s funny that you somehow manage to convince yourself there is any kind of chance that a ww1 game will be played as anything competative. > > > > > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > > > > > > > > When a game’s default mode is the most “game assisted” in all it’s presets how can anyone take it as competitive? > > > > > > Competitive games have kill cams disabled. > > > > Do they also have doritos, auto-regen and auto-repair as a base foundation of gameplay? > > Asking about competitive games in BF4? Didn’t quite get that. No asking in general as to what games that are considered competitive have doritos, auto-regen and auto-repair in matches? I know from competing in past games such as UT99-2k4, quake, CSS 1.6, HL, HL2, Red faction, BF 42-BF2, Cod1,2,4,5 killcams and such aren’t used. I haven’t competed in BF3/4, but every B flag garbage gameplay I’ve seen has been full normal. Don’t recall whether or not cams where on or not. Point being … When a game’s default mode is the most “game assisted” in all it’s presets; how can anyone take it as competitive? ---
**Author:** ![Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sir-xer21/32/103487_2.png) [@Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sir-xer21)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 1:45am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868/20 "2016-05-14T01:45:00Z")
> [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > No asking in general as to what games that are considered competitive have doritos, auto-regen and auto-repair in matches? I know from competing in past games such as UT99-2k4, quake, CSS 1.6, HL, HL2, Red faction, BF 42-BF2, Cod1,2,4,5 killcams and such aren’t used. I haven’t competed in BF3/4, but every B flag garbage gameplay I’ve seen has been full normal. Don’t recall whether or not cams where on or not. > > Point being … When a game’s default mode is the most “game assisted” in all it’s presets; how can anyone take it as competitive? non of the BF competitive games use kill cams or spotting or any of that either. they turn it all off. B flag isnt really competitive gameplay, its just either a warmup mode people play in lieu of using TDM, or its just “casual” competitive in which good players can play against other good players for fun. no one treats it as a real competitive mode. its a joke. Try watching some 5v5’s or 4v4 squad rush matches. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-no-kill-cam-in-normal-and-make-it-competitive/100868.md?page=2)