# Please remove all thermal optics upgrades from vehicles in night maps **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 24, 2015, 9:36am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-all-thermal-optics-upgrades-from-vehicles-in-night-maps/112870 "2015-10-24T09:36:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mav986](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/ea5d25/32.png) [@Mav986](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Mav986)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 9:36am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-all-thermal-optics-upgrades-from-vehicles-in-night-maps/112870/1 "2015-10-24T09:36:17Z")
We’re basically playing a game of tag. First person inside a tank wins! ---
**Author:** ![NotYourTypicalReddit](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/9f8e36/32.png) [@NotYourTypicalReddit](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NotYourTypicalReddit)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 3:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-all-thermal-optics-upgrades-from-vehicles-in-night-maps/112870/2 "2015-10-24T15:31:01Z")
Honestly, I think the only issue with thermal/night vision is that I can see through things that I shouldn’t be able to. Thermal and night Vision scopes are realistic to a point, navy seals don’t do night operations without wearing night vision goggles on their helmets. I think that thermal vision should work a little differently but hey, it’s an old game and I think that DICE is concerned about other things. BF4 has always been a Rock Paper Scissors type of combat, each weapon and vehicle has an opposing weapon or vehicle attachment what not that counters it. ---
**Author:** ![Mav986](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/ea5d25/32.png) [@Mav986](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Mav986)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-all-thermal-optics-upgrades-from-vehicles-in-night-maps/112870/3 "2015-10-24T15:45:15Z")
then give the ability to all infantry as well. Either it makes sense realistically or it doesn’t. One way or the other, it’s heavily imbalanced towards vehicles. A 2x scope is not enough for someone who wants to use a longer scope(3.4x up to 40x). ---
**Author:** ![stfm](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/b19c9b/32.png) [@stfm](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/stfm)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 7:37am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-all-thermal-optics-upgrades-from-vehicles-in-night-maps/112870/4 "2015-10-25T07:37:45Z")
Or make the optics blind out when you look at lights at least ---
**Author:** ![NotYourTypicalReddit](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/9f8e36/32.png) [@NotYourTypicalReddit](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NotYourTypicalReddit)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-all-thermal-optics-upgrades-from-vehicles-in-night-maps/112870/5 "2015-10-25T19:04:18Z")
I’m on board with this. More realistic weapon customization and soldier customization. Armor, gadgets, weapons the whole 9. I also think that a 2x scope is good for pretty much nothing other than close encounters. I use a PLD to spot and then switch to my sniper to take the shot. It’s a frustrating system that takes way too much time. ---
**Author:** ![Jackrabbit710](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/c68b51/32.png) [@Jackrabbit710](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Jackrabbit710)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 2:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-all-thermal-optics-upgrades-from-vehicles-in-night-maps/112870/6 "2015-10-30T02:40:44Z")
I’ve always thought they should make the thermals have a certain range, say 150m then the image is too distorted for long range use