# Please Remove - Team-Spawning in Attack Vehicles **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 16, 2014, 5:31am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467 "2014-06-16T05:31:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TrECeNTeRs1](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@TrECeNTeRs1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TrECeNTeRs1)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 5:31am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/1 "2014-06-16T05:31:00Z")
There are are several problems with Team Spawning in attack vehicles. You see an empty vehicle, spawn, and you are either Driver or in secondary as a Gunner. There are so many deaths at once in this game different squads will try to grab the same resource and end up in the same vehicle as another squad. If you don’t have a squad mate dead and spawning you will end up with someone who doesn’t use a mic that can’t call out enemies and you are not even sure they know how to spot. You can ask any player that has worked with a squad of people on VO-IP if it improves gameplay and they will say “YES”.. At this point it feels like you are fighting to keep your squad together if you try to support them with a vehicle. Especially on the first spawn of the game “which matters most”. I know that every one that doesn’t have a mic, has no friends, or trolls their team until they get their way will just disagree with the post. If you have problems with removing team spawn in attack vehicles it is because you were late to spawn in you should have looked at the map to see vehicles were taken OR .. A.) spawned on a squad member, B.) switched to a different squad or C.) waited for an objective to be capped instead of walking and then complaining. I am not going to say I am better then anyone, but sometimes people who have no clue of what they are doing will just spawn in and block you from being able to be effective squad player. There are several ways they can do it like not repairing “because they are not even engineer while using a vehicle”, just wanting transport and clueless on how effective vehicles can be in the right hands or they will hop out and run for cover at the first sign of danger leaving you with NO HELP. You even have players that are very good at the game stay in the secondary seat and not shoot at enemies just because they feel they are entitled to have that vehicle for their squad. I have had several people who are in other squads who decide it is their vehicle that you spawned in the driver/pilot seat and they will have a squad mate troll you with C4 or by ramming you. This is because they feel entitled to it and refuse to use “first spawn first served”. A lot of people complain on the forums that their squad-mates don’t spawn on them and this is very true. This is just the icing on the cake for your squad not being able to spawn on you. I will also dare you to hop out of a driver seat so your squad can at least spawn as ground support. Your vehicle will be stolen. Some people will say removing Team-Spawn is a bad idea because the game is based on teamwork. For this I will say that a lot of people that I have seen on all platforms play for their self, play for their K/D, and don’t use a MIC “even though all consoles came with one and a mic for a PC is one of the cheapest things you could ever buy for a PC”. People need to start making friends, playing with them, and quit being so anti-social. Battlelog has a friends list, platoons, and squad join for a reason right??? What is the point in having squads if you are fighting your team to use vehicles as a squad??? Do we have so many lonewolf players that we have to have this Team-Spawn that ruins gameplay? It doesn’t just ruin mine and my squads. It means that we have one extra vehicle that isn’t PTFO for the team because they don’t trust the gunner to be able to do their job without communication. So really to make All Vehicles effective the vehicles below should be the only Team-Spawn Vehicles in and out of deployment. 1.) AMTRAC 2.) Z-9, Ka-60, and UH-1Y Venom “Transport Helicopters” 3.) AC-130 Any vehicle besides this should be squad spawn only inside and outside of deployment. If you are not in the same squad as the person who has spawned in a squad-spawn vehicle you should have to switch squads before you can spawn in it. This would allow for better grouping of squads and give more chance for players to communicate with VO-IP. ---
**Author:** ![Destroyer123123](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/f05b48/32.png) [@Destroyer123123](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Destroyer123123)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 5:33am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/2 "2014-06-16T05:33:00Z")
This really only applies the FAC so yeah… ---
**Author:** ![TrECeNTeRs1](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@TrECeNTeRs1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TrECeNTeRs1)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 5:39am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/3 "2014-06-16T05:39:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Destroyer123123 said:_ > This really only applies the FAC so yeah… yeah, Like I said Attack Vehicles Transport vehicles are fine… That is why they are called transport. Not just talking about while they are away from the spawn. I am talking about when the vehicle spawns in the base also. Attack boats are the worse because they have Team-spawn at any time. At any time a Non\_Squad member can spawn in unaware of the situation they are spawning into and even be in the way. ---
**Author:** ![Smaisteri](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/smaisteri/32/103529_2.png) [@Smaisteri](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Smaisteri)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 5:41am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/4 "2014-06-16T05:41:00Z")
Hell yes! If I spawn into an AH, I want my squadmate to be in there and not some mute random. And if I fail to spawn into the driver/pilot seat but get into the gunner seat instead, I have no freaking hope to getting myself another vehicle because someone will always spawn into new vehicles before me! I will have two choices: Running around my deployment with a thumb up my ass and miserably trying to get another vehicle or suicide and try again. But I’d prefer not spawning into a randoms gunner seat at all in the first place, thank you very much. Also its stupid that FACs are spawnable for the whole team. ---
**Author:** ![TrECeNTeRs1](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@TrECeNTeRs1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TrECeNTeRs1)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/5 "2014-06-16T18:14:00Z")
So really to make All Vehicles effective the vehicles below should be the only Team-Spawn Vehicles in and out of deployment. 1.) AMTRAC 2.) Z-9, Ka-60, and UH-1Y Venom “Transport Helicopters” 3.) AC-130 Any vehicle besides this should be squad spawn only inside and outside of deployment. If you are not in the same squad as the person who has spawned in a squad-spawn vehicle you should have to switch squads before you can spawn in it. This would allow for better grouping of squads and give more chance for players to communicate with VO-IP. ---
**Author:** ![chrisdef15](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/0ea827/32.png) [@chrisdef15](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/chrisdef15)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 9:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/6 "2014-06-16T21:36:00Z")
^agreed. ---
**Author:** ![A\_Dam\_Idiot](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3e96dc/32.png) [@A\_Dam\_Idiot](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/A_Dam_Idiot)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 9:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/7 "2014-06-16T21:38:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _TrECeNTeRs said:_ > So really to make All Vehicles effective the vehicles below should be the only Team-Spawn Vehicles in and out of deployment. > > 1.) AMTRAC > 2.) Z-9, Ka-60, and UH-1Y Venom "Transport Helicopters" > 3.) AC-130 > > Any vehicle besides this should be squad spawn only inside and outside of deployment. If you are not in the same squad as the person who has spawned in a squad-spawn vehicle you should have to switch squads before you can spawn in it. This would allow for better grouping of squads and give more chance for players to communicate with VO-IP. 10/10 ---
**Author:** ![SovietPacman](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@SovietPacman](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SovietPacman)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 9:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/8 "2014-06-16T21:38:00Z")
I had a 15 page thread about this, making another one is pointless. ---
**Author:** ![TrECeNTeRs1](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@TrECeNTeRs1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TrECeNTeRs1)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 10:29pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/9 "2014-06-16T22:29:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _SovietPacman said:_ > I had a 15 page thread about this, making another one is pointless. Sorry I did not see it Soviet, I do not frequent the forums as often as I would like and I am sorry you don’t feel optimistic about it. I had created a previous thread on this also. This is a very touchy subject matter for some people. You can’t just state that if you get in a vehicle first it should be yours and everyone just needs to get out. Other people will say they bought the game and they should be able to get in any vehicle they want. Instead of looking at it from that point of view I am looking at it in a Teamplay/Squadplay point of view. I am not trying to force squadplay on anyone. I am just trying to make squadplay with vehicles available to those who want to use it. Also there would be some variables such as a player who makes and locks a single player squad or a player who isn’t in a squad. ---
**Author:** ![LucyLurker](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/4491bb/32.png) [@LucyLurker](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/LucyLurker)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 4:27am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/10 "2014-06-17T04:27:00Z")
Every time I am in an Attack Boat and kill an enemy, but get critically damaged. No one will repair. They will sit in the repair seat and do nothing. At this point I have to jump out and repair while in the water. Tonight I repaired the Attack Boat 10% and as soon as it was no longer disabled someone stole the driver seat and took off towards the enemy deployment with 20%. Yes, Of course they died a few seconds later. My Squad would have spawned on me, but everyone spawns in the attack boat looking for transport to a base where they can rambo it out on the ground. Total disregard for using vehicles efficiently. This game needs to have some changes made. I am tried of having other clueless teammates spawning in vehicles and not helping. I want to play with my squad and use vehicles as a squad. Is this to much to ask for in a squad based game? It would be fine if everyone used a mic, there was team-chat, and people didn’t play for them self by them self. This is not the Case! Please Change this if you change anything on this game. ---
**Author:** ![TrECeNTeRs1](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@TrECeNTeRs1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TrECeNTeRs1)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 5:04am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/11 "2014-06-17T05:04:00Z")
Can they not try some of the forum ideas on the CTE and see what they think? Most of them are youtubers and experienced players and would know what would make the game better. Instead they are just testing a few new guns? ---
**Author:** ![wh1plash2](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/9de0a6/32.png) [@wh1plash2](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/wh1plash2)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 5:57am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/12 "2014-06-17T05:57:00Z")
100% agree OP, needs to happen ---
**Author:** ![M60E4](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/m60e4/32/102708_2.png) [@M60E4](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/M60E4)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 6:01am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/13 "2014-06-17T06:01:00Z")
I concur OP, FACs feel ridiculous when blueberries take your repair man’s seat. Oh, and let’s discuss the imbalance between vehicles of different factions, the DV-15 is vastly superior to the RCB in every way imaginable. ---
**Author:** ![Destroyer123123](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/f05b48/32.png) [@Destroyer123123](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Destroyer123123)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 6:05am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/14 "2014-06-17T06:05:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _M60E4 said:_ > I concur OP, FACs feel ridiculous when blueberries take your repair man’s seat. > > Oh, and let’s discuss the imbalance between vehicles of different factions, the DV-15 is vastly superior to the RCB in every way imaginable. I think a gun traversal nerf for the miniguns is in order. ---
**Author:** ![J20TooStronk](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/77aa72/32.png) [@J20TooStronk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/J20TooStronk)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 6:08am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/15 "2014-06-17T06:08:00Z")
better Idea: only allow squad members w/ repair tools to spawn in. Let the bush wookie find a vehicle on it’s own. ---
**Author:** ![TrECeNTeRs1](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@TrECeNTeRs1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TrECeNTeRs1)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 6:30am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/16 "2014-06-17T06:30:00Z")
Lets keep on-topic for this one. The thread will derail if we start talking about balancing weapons. To much would need to be changed to do any sort of “class only spawn” and it would not be ideal. This thread is only to suggest that we take a hard look at “Squad Only over Team” Attack vehicle spawning for this game. ---
**Author:** ![eniminga](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/ea666f/32.png) [@eniminga](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/eniminga)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 6:49am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/17 "2014-06-17T06:49:00Z")
I dislike the FAC and the rhib boats being mobile spawns, but have no problem with members from multiple squads being able to spawn into the same vehicle at spawn… ---
**Author:** ![My\_Mother\_is\_OP](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/3ab097/32.png) [@My\_Mother\_is\_OP](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/My_Mother_is_OP)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 6:58am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/18 "2014-06-17T06:58:00Z")
Another option could be to add chat between the whole team instead of just the squad. And then push chat out to people with out mic i.e they can obviously hear you but can’t talk back. ---
**Author:** ![TrECeNTeRs1](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@TrECeNTeRs1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TrECeNTeRs1)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 7:26am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/19 "2014-06-17T07:26:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Ddauvergne said:_ > Another option could be to add chat between the whole team instead of just the squad. And then push chat out to people with out mic i.e they can obviously hear you but can’t talk back. Good idea, but it would not work for Xbox One. Many players forget that the Kinect is hooked up and you can hear their whole household talking, barking, and ect… so it would be a huge problem. You also have to think of how many people use “Party Chat/Team Speak” almost every group of people I have played with on coms have invited me to a party. Then the final problem would be trolling/spamming the mic just because… well trolling is popular for some reason. Other then this it would defeat the purpose for having squads. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Mother\_is\_OP](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/3ab097/32.png) [@My\_Mother\_is\_OP](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/My_Mother_is_OP)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2014, 12:28am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467/20 "2014-06-18T00:28:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _TrECeNTeRs said:_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Ddauvergne said:_ > > Another option could be to add chat between the whole team instead of just the squad. And then push chat out to people with out mic i.e they can obviously hear you but can’t talk back. > > Good idea, but it would not work for Xbox One. Many players forget that the Kinect is hooked up and you can hear their whole household talking, barking, and ect… so it would be a huge problem. You also have to think of how many people use "Party Chat/Team Speak" almost every group of people I have played with on coms have invited me to a party. Then the final problem would be trolling/spamming the mic just because… well trolling is popular for some reason. > > Other then this it would defeat the purpose for having squads. This is an issue already… Some people have really different music tastes… ha In fairness it doesn’t happen (to me) very often. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/please-remove-team-spawning-in-attack-vehicles/156467.md?page=2)