# Remove AH on SOS **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 20, 2016, 4:57pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408 "2016-06-20T16:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Neubaufahrzeugg](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/neubaufahrzeugg/32/102719_2.png) [@Neubaufahrzeugg](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Neubaufahrzeugg)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/21 "2016-06-20T19:35:00Z")
> [@CRAZYPHEONIX117](#): > > The fact that only pilots are defending AH on SOS is enough evidence already to show how much they need to be nerfed or removed. ok, you are absolutely . i have over 123 000 kills. 12 000 of these are attack helicopter, and not all of my attack helicopter kills were on shanghai. this in no shape or form makes me a “pilot”, unless you consider anyone who ever flies helicopters a pilot. to my understanding, a pilot is a player which has most kills with air vehicles, which is clearly not the case for me infact, my top vehicle is the main battle tank, with 47 000 kills, and the second top vehicle is the IFV,exactly the vehicles which are extremely vulnerable against the helicopters, and can hardly defend themselves against it. you would figure i would want them removed, as they are one of the major threats to me. yet, i don’t want them removed. it serves as a great map to learn flying, as atleast there are ways to dodge lock ons. it is a fun map to fight other helicopters, as there isn’t maa or jets disturbing, thus meaning that having technical skill (good rocket pods, tow or tv missiles) is crucial if the enemy helicopter is equally good. the problem with the map is that 99% of this playerbase, including the OP have no idea how to play the game, and thus these fests happen. on comp modes these helicopters on shanghai present absolutely no problem, and it is not helicopters that often get the best scores on competetive, but instead tanks, boats and IFV’s ---
**Author:** ![WickedDimension](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/wickeddimension/32/104063_2.png) [@WickedDimension](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/WickedDimension)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 7:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/22 "2016-06-20T19:36:00Z")
Very simple, don’t camp on roofs. There is no reason to stand on a roof more than 30 seconds. ---
**Author:** ![CRAZYPHEONIX117](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/crazypheonix117/32/105537_2.png) [@CRAZYPHEONIX117](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CRAZYPHEONIX117)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 8:13pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/23 "2016-06-20T20:13:00Z")
> [@WickedDimension](#): > > Very simple, don’t camp on roofs. There is no reason to stand on a roof more than 30 seconds. It’ll takes longer than 30 seconds to to capture C Tower and defend it. ---
**Author:** ![daelin4](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@daelin4](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/daelin4)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/24 "2016-06-20T20:19:00Z")
Put in MAA and problem solved. Or at least, as solved as it would be like in Lancang Dam. What makes them annoying is the skyscrapers easily let them evade AA fire, and trying to go on roofs to better your chances is suicidal since they can pop flares or ECM and shoot you up before you can fire again. Which I might add, requires 2-3 hits to take down. Another idea is to just let AA mines be used alongside rocket launchers. Sure you can rock the AA scene, but you can’t repair anything, which is what most engineers are for. ---
**Author:** ![CRAZYPHEONIX117](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/crazypheonix117/32/105537_2.png) [@CRAZYPHEONIX117](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CRAZYPHEONIX117)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/25 "2016-06-20T20:45:00Z")
> [@daelin4](#): > > Put in MAA and problem solved. Or at least, as solved as it would be like in Lancang Dam. > What makes them annoying is the skyscrapers easily let them evade AA fire, and trying to go on roofs to better your chances is suicidal since they can pop flares or ECM and shoot you up before you can fire again. Which I might add, requires 2-3 hits to take down. > > Another idea is to just let AA mines be used alongside rocket launchers. Sure you can rock the AA scene, but you can’t repair anything, which is what most engineers are for. Exactly my point. They should make it takes an entire squad of engis just to take down an AH. Doesn’t matter how skilled you are, it still impossible to take down an AH by yourself. My friend and I were both running stingers and only took down two in a 3200 ticket server. They always go 100+ and do the help their team any besides killing everroneous on top of C Tower. ---
**Author:** ![WickedDimension](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/wickeddimension/32/104063_2.png) [@WickedDimension](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/WickedDimension)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/26 "2016-06-20T20:54:00Z")
> [@CRAZYPHEONIX117](#): > > > [@WickedDimension](#): > > > > Very simple, don’t camp on roofs. There is no reason to stand on a roof more than 30 seconds. > > It’ll takes longer than 30 seconds to to capture C Tower and defend it. Precisely , and without a helicopter , people camping the elevators would be able to keep C indefinitely. The AH is a excellent counter to the flag on the tower (when it’s still up) and you have no business being up on any other roof for extended periods of time. So I don’t really see whats wrong with the Attack Helicopter on Siege. ---
**Author:** ![mckrackin5324](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mckrackin5324/32/102776_2.png) [@mckrackin5324](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/mckrackin5324)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/27 "2016-06-20T21:02:00Z")
Meh…I hate the helis in this game but I don’t want them removed or changed. I just need to learn to deal with them or avoid them…same as everybody. If I could change anything…I’d put a rotor disc on the helis to keep them out of tight areas. They’re fine otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![CRAZYPHEONIX117](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/crazypheonix117/32/105537_2.png) [@CRAZYPHEONIX117](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CRAZYPHEONIX117)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/28 "2016-06-20T21:57:00Z")
> [@WickedDimension](#): > > > [@CRAZYPHEONIX117](#): > > > > > [@WickedDimension](#): > > > > > > Very simple, don’t camp on roofs. There is no reason to stand on a roof more than 30 seconds. > > > > It’ll takes longer than 30 seconds to to capture C Tower and defend it. > > Precisely , and without a helicopter , people camping the elevators would be able to keep C indefinitely. > The AH is a excellent counter to the flag on the tower (when it’s still up) and you have no business being up on any other roof for extended periods of time. > > So I don’t really see whats wrong with the Attack Helicopter on Siege. Support choppers are perfectly capable of taking over C. The AH are just way to powerful. Being able to take out half a team in one sweep in seconds shouldn’t happen. They need to replace them with Little Birds. This way we still have a chopper that can kill quickly, but doesn’t kill instantly everyone on the roof. Little Birds will also add another level of drop off next to the support chopper. Ground troops have another way to be dropped off, and the pilot can still take out enemy forces but not as quickly. It’s a win-win. ---
**Author:** ![mckrackin5324](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mckrackin5324/32/102776_2.png) [@mckrackin5324](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/mckrackin5324)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/29 "2016-06-20T22:03:00Z")
Little Bird is far worse and would be a ridiculous killing machine on SoS. LOLZ This was just some testing so it’s the players first try on SoS with the LB… Tell me this isn’t worse than the AH…on his first try no less… [![Video: Siege of Shanghai - Little Bird 43-0](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/8/a/8a31addb009470212409ac23a0817fccb49a84c2.jpeg "Siege of Shanghai - Little Bird 43-0") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWKeNT8J7uw) ---
**Author:** ![Ben8D8over](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/b5a626/32.png) [@Ben8D8over](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ben8D8over)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 10:14pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/30 "2016-06-20T22:14:00Z")
No one can deny you are right, OP, the AH is OP on SOS if there´s a good pilot on one side only. And so is the tank on Rogue, and the IFV on Hainan. We just gotta bring our RPG´s and stay out of their crosshairs and keep them in ours, and remember what a great feeling it is to RPG one down 🙂 I´m not gonna lie, if I see the gunners seat is empty, I´m hopping in… ---
**Author:** ![CRAZYPHEONIX117](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/crazypheonix117/32/105537_2.png) [@CRAZYPHEONIX117](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CRAZYPHEONIX117)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/31 "2016-06-20T22:37:00Z")
> [@mckrackin5324](#): > > Little Bird is far worse and would be a ridiculous killing machine on SoS. LOLZ > > This was just some testing so it’s the players first try on SoS with the LB… > > Tell me this isn’t worse than the AH…on his first try no less… > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWKeNT8J7uw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWKeNT8J7uw) I don’t know much about that player. It may have been his first time on SOS, but he’s definitely a skilled pilot. It’s mobility is what makes it good. The AH just takes a lot more hits and does a lot more damage. The AH also has the gunner seat. He made it seem amazing and worse than the AH, but they’ve never do that good. ---
**Author:** ![CRAZYPHEONIX117](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/crazypheonix117/32/105537_2.png) [@CRAZYPHEONIX117](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CRAZYPHEONIX117)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 10:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/32 "2016-06-20T22:38:00Z")
> [@Ben8D8over](#): > > No one can deny you are right, OP, the AH is OP on SOS if there´s a good pilot on one side only. And so is the tank on Rogue, and the IFV on Hainan. > We just gotta bring our RPG´s and stay out of their crosshairs and keep them in ours, and remember what a great feeling it is to RPG one down 🙂 > I´m not gonna lie, if I see the gunners seat is empty, I´m hopping in… That’s all I’ve been playing games lately and running with the RPG. That’s one thing going they could do, make it to where LMG, DMR, and snipers do a little damage to choppers. ---
**Author:** ![Rogue-Mike](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/rogue-mike/32/103294_2.png) [@Rogue-Mike](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rogue-Mike)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 3:37am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/33 "2016-06-21T03:37:00Z")
I’m mainly a Tanker but it always a smidge annoying when these threads pop up with someone ALWAYS whipping out a old as hell video of some player managing to pull off a move that scores oodles of kills/points thinking it proves a point of OP. That video was from 2014 it says nothing to me besides the the skill of that pilot in that moment and they deserve every point acquired. I would say something about the enemy team but it’s pretty obvious they weren’t ready for it. ---
**Author:** ![Neubaufahrzeugg](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/neubaufahrzeugg/32/102719_2.png) [@Neubaufahrzeugg](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Neubaufahrzeugg)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 6:53am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/34 "2016-06-21T06:53:00Z")
> [@CRAZYPHEONIX117](#): > > Exactly my point. They should make it takes an entire squad of engis just to take down an AH. Doesn’t matter how skilled you are, it still impossible to take down an AH by yourself. are you trolling? is it not clear to you that RPG/SMAW one shots it? now is it easy to take down a helicopter all by yourself? no, but it shouldn’t be. it is however possible ---
**Author:** ![Jahfoxtes](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/c4cdca/32.png) [@Jahfoxtes](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Jahfoxtes)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 10:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/35 "2016-06-21T10:40:00Z")
Put the tower down, squad up with engis or cap other objectives, wants litlebirds (lol, LB\>AH) play CQsmall, stop whining, game is fine. ---
**Author:** ![MarxistDictator](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/marxistdictator/32/102751_2.png) [@MarxistDictator](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MarxistDictator)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 1:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/36 "2016-06-21T13:17:00Z")
another case of people who can’t do something commenting on game balance You already admitted you have a huge bias from being bad. Anyone half near decent in the heli can easily kill the other as the pilot with Zunis. ---
**Author:** ![CRAZYPHEONIX117](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/crazypheonix117/32/105537_2.png) [@CRAZYPHEONIX117](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CRAZYPHEONIX117)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 1:47pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/37 "2016-06-21T13:47:00Z")
> [@Neubaufahrzeugg](#): > > > [@CRAZYPHEONIX117](#): > > > > Exactly my point. They should make it takes an entire squad of engis just to take down an AH. Doesn’t matter how skilled you are, it still impossible to take down an AH by yourself. > > are you trolling? is it not clear to you that RPG/SMAW one shots it? > now is it easy to take down a helicopter all by yourself? no, but it shouldn’t be. it is however possible Taking a AH down with a free fire is luck. Especially on SOS where you’re also having to deal with enemy foot soldiers which makes it even harder to take one down. It’s usually either take cover and get killed by the AH or stand up and get killed by enemy foot soldiers. When an AH is attacking get you, it’s very easy for them to dodge them. They always keep a distance away from C Tower to where they have plenty of distance to dodge. With lock ons, you fire once which then theyou always deploy flares or smoke which gives them more than enough time to swerve between buildings, hide, repair, and come back to your team. It is possible, but it’s like happens once a game possible. ---
**Author:** ![CRAZYPHEONIX117](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/crazypheonix117/32/105537_2.png) [@CRAZYPHEONIX117](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CRAZYPHEONIX117)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 1:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/38 "2016-06-21T13:49:00Z")
> [@MarxistDictator](#): > > another case of people who can’t do something commenting on game balance > > You already admitted you have a huge bias from being bad. Anyone half near decent in the heli can easily kill the other as the pilot with Zunis. Yep, I said I’m bad at piloting. I’m a great gunner however. When decent pilots can go 120-11 on this map on an 800 ticket server, there’s an issue with AH on this map. ---
**Author:** ![MarxistDictator](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/marxistdictator/32/102751_2.png) [@MarxistDictator](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MarxistDictator)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/39 "2016-06-21T14:03:00Z")
So because you are terrible at something the entire game needs to change? My god. This map still has the flying AA too, or are you one of those bums who flies the transport in close to the attack heli? Just because the brainless tools (MAA, jets, scouts) aren’t there doesn’t mean the heli is invincible. Far from it. In the long run this will be remembered as the only map the attack heli is viable as otherwise it’s getting destroyed by the other air/MAA with their unlimited ammo and range. Yeah let’s take that away because you’re incapable of flying or shooting them down or avoiding them by just staying off a roof. The boat is the only thing that should be changed on this map because it is useless tank bait. There isn’t anywhere to go or any area to cover when you’re in it. ---
**Author:** ![Jlinz20](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jlinz20/32/102404_2.png) [@Jlinz20](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Jlinz20)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 2:26pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408/40 "2016-06-21T14:26:00Z")
Seriously just take the tower down lol, then stay away from C. Chopper countered. The reason the chopper gets so many kills on that map is because: 1. It’s a smaller size map so higher concentration of infantry 2. People can’t fight the temptation to stay on rooftops 3. People get upset with stingers and stand out in the open locking on, only to get farmed repeatedly. 4. People don’t know how to properly navigate the map, especially as infantry, there is so much cover from the chopper it’s laughable. There’s even places you can hide your Tank or LAV. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408.md?page=1) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-ah-on-sos/104408.md?page=3)