# Remove team switching in-game **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 25, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528 "2016-05-25T20:06:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![VaultFalcone](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/7ea924/32.png) [@VaultFalcone](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VaultFalcone)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/1 "2016-05-25T20:06:00Z")
Imo, one of the major contribution to make a match unbalanced, players easily switch team to the winning team leaving the losing team behind unbalanced. Not to mention the stacking of good players overwhelming the other team. ---
**Author:** ![Say\_Hellr](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/say_hellr/32/103374_2.png) [@Say\_Hellr](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Say_Hellr)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/2 "2016-05-25T20:17:00Z")
This has got to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rev0verDrive)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 8:24pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/3 "2016-05-25T20:24:00Z")
There already is a feature like this with procon plugins. It should without a doubt built into the game. The Procon plugin does the following: - No switching to late in game, regardless the team sizes. - No switching if it would skew/unbalance teams. - Limits how many times you switch. ---
**Author:** ![Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/71c47a/32.png) [@Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Bertominus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/4 "2016-05-25T20:25:00Z")
It would be better if they simply placed a restriction on the feature, such as only being able to teamswitch if you’re joining the losing team, or if both teams are fairly even. Removing it altogether wouldn’t be a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![keith4436](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@keith4436](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/keith4436)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/5 "2016-05-25T20:27:00Z")
> [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > It would be better if they simply placed a restriction on the feature, such as only being able to teamswitch if you’re joining the losing team, or if both teams are fairly even. > > Removing it altogether wouldn’t be a good idea. I strongly agree. The team switch/balancer is broken as far as I am concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Say\_Hellr](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/say_hellr/32/103374_2.png) [@Say\_Hellr](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Say_Hellr)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 8:29pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/6 "2016-05-25T20:29:00Z")
> [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > It would be better if they simply placed a restriction on the feature, such as only being able to teamswitch if you’re joining the losing team, or if both teams are fairly even. > > Removing it altogether wouldn’t be a good idea. How about when you join the winning team? Being able to switch from a garbage team to an ace team is unbalanced and add on to team stacks. Best to get rid of switching altogether, you add more head-ache when you implement something like this. ---
**Author:** ![VaultFalcone](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/7ea924/32.png) [@VaultFalcone](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VaultFalcone)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 8:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/7 "2016-05-25T20:38:00Z")
Also a total scrambling of players between teams depending on tickets difference would also good, which i’m not sure if this feature is available within bf4 without using the server plugin. ---
**Author:** ![Say\_Hellr](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/say_hellr/32/103374_2.png) [@Say\_Hellr](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Say_Hellr)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/8 "2016-05-25T20:43:00Z")
> [@VaultFalcone](#): > > Also a total scrambling of players between teams depending on tickets difference would also good, which i’m not sure if this feature is available within bf4 without using the server plugin. Yeah it’s on PC using a plugin but they hate it since they rips you (if your playing with friends) from your squad and put you on the other team. I vote no since it’s basically starting a new game in the middle of a match.. ---
**Author:** ![Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/71c47a/32.png) [@Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Bertominus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/9 "2016-05-25T20:43:00Z")
> [@Say\_Hellr](#): > > > [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > > > It would be better if they simply placed a restriction on the feature, such as only being able to teamswitch if you’re joining the losing team, or if both teams are fairly even. > > > > Removing it altogether wouldn’t be a good idea. > > How about when you join the winning team? Being able to switch from a garbage team to an ace team is unbalanced and add on to team stacks. > > Best to get rid of switching altogether, you add more head-ache when you implement something like this. That wouldn’t happen with the restrictions. > [@Say\_Hellr](#): > > > [@VaultFalcone](#): > > > > Also a total scrambling of players between teams depending on tickets difference would also good, which i’m not sure if this feature is available within bf4 without using the server plugin. > > Yeah it’s on PC using a plugin but they hate it since they rips you (if your playing with friends) from your squad and put you on the other team. I vote no since it’s basically starting a new game in the middle of a match.. That just means it has to be tweaked and refined. A feature shouldn’t be removed in it’s entirety if an aspect of it isn’t ideal - it just means that improvements have to be made. ---
**Author:** ![Say\_Hellr](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/say_hellr/32/103374_2.png) [@Say\_Hellr](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Say_Hellr)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/10 "2016-05-25T20:49:00Z")
> [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > That wouldn’t happen with the restrictions. What do you mean restrictions? Explain. > [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > That just means it has to be tweaked and refined. A feature shouldn’t be removed in it’s entirety if an aspect of it isn’t ideal - it just means that improvements have to be made. If it breaks team-balance, yeah it should be removed.. You spend more time trying to get it perfect when it’s not something that can be perfected. Best to get rid of it completely. ---
**Author:** ![Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/71c47a/32.png) [@Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Bertominus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/11 "2016-05-25T21:04:00Z")
> [@Say\_Hellr](#): > > > [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > > > That wouldn’t happen with the restrictions. > > What do you mean restrictions? Explain. If switching over to the winning team breaks the balance, then restrict players from doing so. This one simple restriction would significantly lessen the issue in regards to team switching. Additional restrictions could be used to refine the system further, such as the systems that plugins currently use. Those have issues as well, which again can be further improved on. > [@Say\_Hellr](#): > > > [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > > > That just means it has to be tweaked and refined. A feature shouldn’t be removed in it’s entirety if an aspect of it isn’t ideal - it just means that improvements have to be made. > > If it breaks team-balance, yeah it should be removed.. You spend more time trying to get it perfect when it’s not something that can be perfected. Best to get rid of it completely. Team balance will always be an issue in every game. You’re merely placing the blame on a feature which both helps and hurts the issue currently. It’s not uncommon to see players switch over to the losing team to balance out a match. It’s a tool that can benefit balance, and removing it isn’t a solution. Improvements are all that are needed. ---
**Author:** ![mmarkweII](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mmarkweii/32/102833_2.png) [@mmarkweII](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/mmarkweII)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 9:06pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/12 "2016-05-25T21:06:00Z")
Switching should only happen at the beginning/end of the round. Not during the round. ---
**Author:** ![Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/71c47a/32.png) [@Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Bertominus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/13 "2016-05-25T21:07:00Z")
> [@mmarkweII](#): > > Switching should only happen at the beginning/end of the round. Not during the round. What happens if my team is stacked, and the enemy is losing hard? I should be able to switch over to help the balance. ---
**Author:** ![Say\_Hellr](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/say_hellr/32/103374_2.png) [@Say\_Hellr](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Say_Hellr)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/14 "2016-05-25T21:20:00Z")
> [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > It’s not uncommon to see players switch over to the losing team to balance out a match. It’s a tool that can benefit balance, and removing it isn’t a solution. Improvements are all that are needed. Of course it isn’t uncommon. Sure as hell isn’t a rarity to find some level 140 switching to the other side to further aid the team stacking.. You say improvements need to be made, but I’d like to hear legitimate suggestions to help fight against the team stack. DICE has tried to improved it but only made it worse. So like I said before, this isn’t something that can be necessarily fixed and you said it yourself.. > [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > Team balance will always be an issue in every game. ---
**Author:** ![Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rev0verDrive)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 9:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/15 "2016-05-25T21:38:00Z")
> [@Say\_Hellr](#): > > > [@VaultFalcone](#): > > > > Also a total scrambling of players between teams depending on tickets difference would also good, which i’m not sure if this feature is available within bf4 without using the server plugin. > > Yeah it’s on PC using a plugin but they hate it since they rips you (if your playing with friends) from your squad and put you on the other team. I vote no since it’s basically starting a new game in the middle of a match.. There are squad friendly options in the plugins. Also without mid round balancing you’d have 32v18 games where losing team just leaves. I’d rather the server just end the round if teams got skewed to that level. ---
**Author:** ![mmarkweII](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mmarkweii/32/102833_2.png) [@mmarkweII](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/mmarkweII)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/16 "2016-05-25T21:55:00Z")
> [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > > [@mmarkweII](#): > > > > Switching should only happen at the beginning/end of the round. Not during the round. > > What happens if my team is stacked, and the enemy is losing hard? I should be able to switch over to help the balance. That is why there should be something in game to end the round faster and start again. Otherwise, leave mid game and find a different server. That’s without addressing the new team balancer in bf4 where squads get split up. Look, I underdtand it’s a different world on pc. On console, there are no 3rd party plug-ins etc. So, that explains where I’m coming from. ---
**Author:** ![Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rev0verDrive)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 10:06pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/17 "2016-05-25T22:06:00Z")
> [@mmarkweII](#): > > > [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > > > > [@mmarkweII](#): > > > > > > Switching should only happen at the beginning/end of the round. Not during the round. > > > > What happens if my team is stacked, and the enemy is losing hard? I should be able to switch over to help the balance. > > That is why there should be something in game to end the round faster and start again. Otherwise, leave mid game and find a different server. That’s without addressing the new team balancer in bf4 where squads get split up. > > Look, I underdtand it’s a different world on pc. On console, there are no 3rd party plug-ins etc. So, that explains where I’m coming from. True, Console does need some love in this category. Most of the servers (pc) I play don’t use the games built in tb. ---
**Author:** ![ChickNFoot](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/chicknfoot/32/101502_2.png) [@ChickNFoot](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ChickNFoot)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 10:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/18 "2016-05-25T22:59:00Z")
This would be horrible, I can’t count how many times I have joined a server only to be put on the enemy team due to balance away from my friend. Whats the point of having a team play game with out the ability to play with friends? - Horrible balance (in BF4 is due to the skill balance using a broken stat like skill) is due to the system put in place and that system should be the one responsible and the players should not be punished (unable to switch to your friend’s team) for what a balancer should do. ---
**Author:** ![En1gmuh](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/53a042/32.png) [@En1gmuh](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/En1gmuh)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 1:30am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/19 "2016-05-26T01:30:00Z")
You remove this then there must be improvements to matchmaking. Often I join a match where we’re getting slammed and there’s little time to turn the tables. Also, squad matchmaking needs improvements for the same reasons (more or less). ---
**Author:** ![BluntObjctOfHate](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bluntobjctofhate/32/101377_2.png) [@BluntObjctOfHate](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BluntObjctOfHate)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/remove-team-switching-in-game/101528/20 "2016-05-26T18:48:00Z")
> [@mmarkweII](#): > > Switching should only happen at the beginning/end of the round. Not during the round. Exactly ,we don’t need none of that switching 2 minutes till games end so their K/D looks good.