# SMG 08/18 Buff, too much or ok? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 3, 2018, 7:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326 "2018-02-03T19:03:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![IIRogueMachineII](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/91b2a8/32.png) [@IIRogueMachineII](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IIRogueMachineII)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 7:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/1 "2018-02-03T19:03:00Z")
They’ve buffed the SMG08/18 in the CTE to 700 i think RPM instead of the game standard 450. Tried it out and now its way more fun then before and i could see myself using it more. My question is was it too much of a buff considering its mag size and now potential new fire rate we could end up having another Hellriegel, although it does have a large amount of recoil so maybe not. It definitely needed a buff but can’t help thinking its probably too much. Putting it in between the MP18 and Hellriegel range would have been sufficient. ---
**Author:** ![grrlpurple](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@grrlpurple](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/grrlpurple)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/2 "2018-02-03T19:07:00Z")
Yet they reduced the 16 round machinepistol to 900 from 1200rpm when it could only realistically kill two in a magazine. ---
**Author:** ![IIRogueMachineII](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/91b2a8/32.png) [@IIRogueMachineII](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IIRogueMachineII)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 7:18pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/3 "2018-02-03T19:18:00Z")
Didn’t know that, strange. Probably a salty group of players complained that they got killed too much by it. It was fun but was pretty limited. ---
**Author:** ![grrlpurple](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@grrlpurple](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/grrlpurple)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/4 "2018-02-03T19:23:00Z")
> [@llRogueMachinell](#): > > Didn’t know that, strange. Probably a salty group of players complained that they got killed too much by it. It was fun but was pretty limited. They even increased the recoil. It was a weapon with limited application but is near impossible to use now. ---
**Author:** ![MissCommissar](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/misscommissar/32/102824_2.png) [@MissCommissar](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MissCommissar)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 7:25pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/5 "2018-02-03T19:25:00Z")
SMG 08/15 with ~700 RPM? Jeez, Hellriegel 2.0 meta inc… ---
**Author:** ![bran1986](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bran1986/32/101405_2.png) [@bran1986](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/bran1986)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/6 "2018-02-03T19:43:00Z")
It is hilariously OP. ---
**Author:** ![aseveredfoot](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/839c29/32.png) [@aseveredfoot](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/aseveredfoot)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/7 "2018-02-03T20:15:00Z")
All I’ve been hearing is it’s completely overpowered. I highly doubt it’ll make it into retail. I love how the patch notes just say something like ‘adjusted the smg08 to fire more closely to how it probably did.’ And if assault gets another face melter, I want a Benet Mercie that fires at its real rate of fire of 550-600 and and an RSC that fires rounds at 1,000m/s. And set the BAR to its “high” rate of fire (adjustable via gas block) to 800rpm ---
**Author:** ![IIRogueMachineII](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/91b2a8/32.png) [@IIRogueMachineII](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IIRogueMachineII)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/8 "2018-02-03T20:23:00Z")
I mean it is pretty crazy. Anyone who’s used and says its not barefaced lying. Its basically a automatico/hellriegel lovechild!!! ---
**Author:** ![DALESR4EVER124](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/5daacb/32.png) [@DALESR4EVER124](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DALESR4EVER124)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/9 "2018-02-03T20:33:00Z")
I was just using the SMG 08 last night on Suez in its current form (I don’t play on the CTE) and I was melting people with it. If they buff the RoF THAT much than it’ll be dominant. ---
**Author:** ![llPhantom\_Limbll](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/llphantom_limbll/32/102656_2.png) [@llPhantom\_Limbll](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/llPhantom_Limbll)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/10 "2018-02-03T20:44:00Z")
> [@bran1986](#): > > It is hilariously OP. Every potato player can use that gun with one hand while touching himself with another and still get loads of kills. Pure joke. ---
**Author:** ![SirTerrible](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sirterrible/32/103499_2.png) [@SirTerrible](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SirTerrible)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/11 "2018-02-03T21:22:00Z")
I have to try this. Sounds great fun lol. ---
**Author:** ![bran1986](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bran1986/32/101405_2.png) [@bran1986](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/bran1986)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 9:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/12 "2018-02-03T21:36:00Z")
> [@llPhantom\_Limbll](#): > > > [@bran1986](#): > > > > It is hilariously OP. > > Every potato player can use that gun with one hand while touching himself with another and still get loads of kills. Pure joke. I never play assault, I joined when the score was around 600-480, my boss called me right after I joined so I was talking to him as I played and I still put up 30 kills. I could only imagine what kind of numbers some of you guys will do with it. The whole time I could only think "how the hell is this skillfull? ---
**Author:** ![ChaiFox](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/chaifox/32/101490_2.png) [@ChaiFox](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ChaiFox)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/13 "2018-02-05T17:33:00Z")
Assault is the training wheels class, you can be half asleep and fondling yourself and still squad wipe with this gun. Dice seems determined to break what very little balance remains after ttk 2.0. Honestly though I’m not sure I’ll still be around for the official change as my interest in this game has declined DRAMATICALLY. ---
**Author:** ![Callahan44er](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/callahan44er/32/101446_2.png) [@Callahan44er](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Callahan44er)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/14 "2018-02-05T18:16:00Z")
Sounds insane…i mean it has 80 bullets,its unique and worth using its current form already. The low rate of fire is the only downsight. Its just the cte,but i feel like 95% of the cte changes made it into the game so prepare for hellriegels brother. I just dont get what they are doing tobthis game… ---
**Author:** ![dj4047](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/8e7dd6/32.png) [@dj4047](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/dj4047)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/15 "2018-02-05T18:18:00Z")
I think it’s good that weapons that used to be useless are becoming relevant again. It’s not any different than other assault weapons. Get to them before you get into CQC and you won’t have any problems. ---
**Author:** ![IIRogueMachineII](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/91b2a8/32.png) [@IIRogueMachineII](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/IIRogueMachineII)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/16 "2018-02-05T18:42:00Z")
It needed a buff, it wasn’t terrible but against an Automatico and Hellriegel users you’d lose. I do think it’s too much of a buff. 650 would be better. ---
**Author:** ![disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/disposalist)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 8:19pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/17 "2018-02-05T20:19:00Z")
On top of the buff that every single SMG got it’s not just “too much” it’s ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![MarxistDictator](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/marxistdictator/32/102751_2.png) [@MarxistDictator](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MarxistDictator)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/18 "2018-02-05T20:41:00Z")
from meme to dream in one update ---
**Author:** ![BobsAndVegane](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BobsAndVegane](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BobsAndVegane)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 12:42am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/19 "2018-02-06T00:42:00Z")
They didn’t need to do anything with the rate of fire, they should have just reduced the spread. If they mess with the rate of fire, it can only be either garbage or an aspiring Hellriegel. ---
**Author:** ![Ram1c](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/97f17d/32.png) [@Ram1c](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Ram1c)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 12:45am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326/20 "2018-02-06T00:45:00Z")
Yeah I can only imagine how broken this thing will be in the hands of skilled players, I already see the hellriegel utterly destroying groups of squads, I can’t wait to see what this is going to be like lol. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/smg-08-18-buff-too-much-or-ok/103326.md?page=2)