# Sniper hates and kids ruined bf series **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 19, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309 "2016-06-19T22:41:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![MartinBabl](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@MartinBabl](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MartinBabl)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:01am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/81 "2016-06-21T07:01:00Z")
> [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > > > > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wasn’t Bad Company 2 the easiest to snipe in? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The classic titles had fog, and if I remember right… no 1HK potential outside of headshots. Bad Company 2 had a significantly larger view distance, and 1hk potential to the upper body below 30 meters. Bf3 added in bullet drop, and it reduced the 1hk range making sniping harder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don’t see how BC2 was the ideal example of sniping. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Classic titles had fog because of engine limitations, it was NOT a design choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find it hilarious when people bring up fog like it was a “Feature”. It wasnt. huge maps were just hard on older hardware. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It WAS a design choice, AND a feature incorporated to hide the limited view distance due to the average hardware. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It’s silly to say it wasn’t a design choice… your argument is wrong, considering the size of the map had no bearing on the amount of fog used. With your argument, Operation Blue Pearl should have had the same or less fog than Dragon Valley… but that’s not the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Developers use whatever tools they have available, and the fog was an available tool in balancing maps. It was a feature that had multiple purposes. > > > > > > > > > > > > the size of the map had to do with it, but you’re maing the mistake of thinking that it mattered whether it was a larger map or not. they were ALL too large for the hardware to render effectively. it was either put fog, or no one gets frames. they didnt do it to make sniping harder. it had nothing to do with balancing maps. > > > > > > > > > > It had an inherit role in map balance. There was a limited view distance, therefore maps were balanced with this view distance in mind. On top of that, fog values differed from map to map as a means of balancing them. Why would a map as small as Operation Blue Pearl have such a high fog value? Why would a larger map like Kubra Dam have such a low fog value? > > > > > > > > > > It’s absurd to think that it was purely due to hardware limitations, and that no other purpose was present. > > > > > > > > yes, im sure they went out of their way to nerf the most useless class in the game with the highest skill floor. > > > > > > > > Makes perfect sense. > > > > > > When did I ever say they used fog to nerf snipers? > > > > what other purppose would it serve as a balancing mechanism? it literally only affected them. > > Except it didn’t. It affected all kits, and it affected vehicles too. You ignored my example of Operation Blue Pearl… you seriously can’t tell me they did that for performance reasons. The map would be utterly broken with decreased fog. > > Take a look at the other maps too. Your argument just doesn’t work… yes, all maps had a limited view distance to cut performance costs. However, maps such as Strike at Karkand had thicker fog than Kumra Dam. Do you seriously think that was due to performance? No, it was a conscious decision by the developers to balance the maps. It is a balance of both. - Battlefield 2 maps were large and by using this technique the game decreased the number of things that needed to be rendered. - There are certain maps where it does limit the distance of sight to a certain distance and it therefore limits snipers to that distance as enemies were not rendered past that distance. (If you were pro you could kill enemies beyond that distance) - Battlefield 1 is not hardware limited in that way but will still make use of the fog as a dynamic weather aspect which serves to render snipers useless at certain distances unless you are pro and can use the fog to hide your scope glint and still workout where the enemy is relative to the 3D spotting. ---
**Author:** ![Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/71c47a/32.png) [@Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Bertominus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:07am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/82 "2016-06-21T07:07:00Z")
MartinBabl wrote: [»](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/81) > [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > > > > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wasn’t Bad Company 2 the easiest to snipe in? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The classic titles had fog, and if I remember right… no 1HK potential outside of headshots. Bad Company 2 had a significantly larger view distance, and 1hk potential to the upper body below 30 meters. Bf3 added in bullet drop, and it reduced the 1hk range making sniping harder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don’t see how BC2 was the ideal example of sniping. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Classic titles had fog because of engine limitations, it was NOT a design choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find it hilarious when people bring up fog like it was a “Feature”. It wasnt. huge maps were just hard on older hardware. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It WAS a design choice, AND a feature incorporated to hide the limited view distance due to the average hardware. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It’s silly to say it wasn’t a design choice… your argument is wrong, considering the size of the map had no bearing on the amount of fog used. With your argument, Operation Blue Pearl should have had the same or less fog than Dragon Valley… but that’s not the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Developers use whatever tools they have available, and the fog was an available tool in balancing maps. It was a feature that had multiple purposes. > > > > > > > > > > > > the size of the map had to do with it, but you’re maing the mistake of thinking that it mattered whether it was a larger map or not. they were ALL too large for the hardware to render effectively. it was either put fog, or no one gets frames. they didnt do it to make sniping harder. it had nothing to do with balancing maps. > > > > > > > > > > It had an inherit role in map balance. There was a limited view distance, therefore maps were balanced with this view distance in mind. On top of that, fog values differed from map to map as a means of balancing them. Why would a map as small as Operation Blue Pearl have such a high fog value? Why would a larger map like Kubra Dam have such a low fog value? > > > > > > > > > > It’s absurd to think that it was purely due to hardware limitations, and that no other purpose was present. > > > > > > > > yes, im sure they went out of their way to nerf the most useless class in the game with the highest skill floor. > > > > > > > > Makes perfect sense. > > > > > > When did I ever say they used fog to nerf snipers? > > > > what other purppose would it serve as a balancing mechanism? it literally only affected them. > > Except it didn’t. It affected all kits, and it affected vehicles too. You ignored my example of Operation Blue Pearl… you seriously can’t tell me they did that for performance reasons. The map would be utterly broken with decreased fog. > > Take a look at the other maps too. Your argument just doesn’t work… yes, all maps had a limited view distance to cut performance costs. However, maps such as Strike at Karkand had thicker fog than Kumra Dam. Do you seriously think that was due to performance? No, it was a conscious decision by the developers to balance the maps. It is a balance of both. - Battlefield 2 maps were large and by using this technique the game decreased the number of things that needed to be rendered. - There are certain maps where it does limit the distance of sight to a certain distance and it therefore limits snipers to that distance as enemies were not rendered past that distance. (If you were pro you could kill enemies beyond that distance) - Battlefield 1 is not hardware limited in that way but will still make use of the fog as a dynamic weather aspect which serves to render snipers useless at certain distances unless you are pro and can use the fog to hide your scope glint and still workout where the enemy is relative to the 3D spotting. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:09am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/83 "2016-06-21T07:09:00Z")
Not getting in the middle of the fog debate, as I participated in many of them during BF2’s golden days and they ended up pointless - but I will add that fog sucks a fat one. ---
**Author:** ![xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/xx-aleiaq-xx/32/104142_2.png) [@xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xX-ALeIaQ-Xx)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:22am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/84 "2016-06-21T07:22:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > Not getting in the middle of the fog debate, as I participated in many of them during BF2’s golden days and they ended up pointless - but I will add that fog sucks a fat one. … ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:23am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/85 "2016-06-21T07:23:00Z")
What…in the world…did you even just say? ---
**Author:** ![xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/xx-aleiaq-xx/32/104142_2.png) [@xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xX-ALeIaQ-Xx)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:25am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/86 "2016-06-21T07:25:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > What…in the world…did you even just say? Nothing … i was bored … for … nothing. ---
**Author:** ![B3ANTOWN\_B3A5T](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/b3antown_b3a5t/32/101262_2.png) [@B3ANTOWN\_B3A5T](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/B3ANTOWN_B3A5T)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:25am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/87 "2016-06-21T07:25:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > What…in the world…did you even just say? lol the English as a second language people seem to love you lately. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:25am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/88 "2016-06-21T07:25:00Z")
And he edited it… > [@xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](#): > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > Not getting in the middle of the fog debate, as I participated in many of them during BF2’s golden days and they ended up pointless - but I will add that fog sucks a fat one. > > … Did you literally just say my opinion doesn’t matter because I’m not as good as you? Way to edit out though, bro, you totally saved that one. ---
**Author:** ![xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/xx-aleiaq-xx/32/104142_2.png) [@xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xX-ALeIaQ-Xx)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:29am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/89 "2016-06-21T07:29:00Z")
Really , you have alot of opinions for each discussion, here. But was not so important. Sorry if you’re thinking that you’re not good, maybe is true , but don’t care it’s only a game. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:32am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/90 "2016-06-21T07:32:00Z")
> [@xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](#): > > Really , you have alot of opinions for each discussion, here. > > But was not so important. > > Sorry if you’re thinking that you’re not good, maybe is true , but don’t care it’s only a game. I have a lot of opinions about Battlefield as a game in general, just like everyone else that plays BF. Just because I’m more vocal about them and enjoy talking about the game just as much as I enjoy playing it doesn’t mean anything. Obviously, by the response you edited out, you seemed to care enough about me “not being good” to write a lengthy response about it explaining that my “not being good” entailed that my opinion held lesser value. But again, way to edit out to save that \*\*\*, my man. ---
**Author:** ![xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/xx-aleiaq-xx/32/104142_2.png) [@xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xX-ALeIaQ-Xx)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:32am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/91 "2016-06-21T07:32:00Z")
I try to follow the Forum…but … this irritates me: - reading all the times your opinion sets in every topics. I think you should be moderate, not only you. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:33am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/92 "2016-06-21T07:33:00Z")
lel, I post more than the moderators do. Post count doesn’t mean anything. ---
**Author:** ![xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/xx-aleiaq-xx/32/104142_2.png) [@xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xX-ALeIaQ-Xx)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:46am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/93 "2016-06-21T07:46:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > lel, I post more than the moderators do. Post count doesn’t mean anything. oh yeah i agree, just bored some readers, but it doesn’t mean anything. What i have to tell you: sorry? Ok, sorry loqtrall. But im convinced that a bad player cant have a good opinion, as well i think that a kid or a sniper haters are not good players like you, that is the OP argument. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:48am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/94 "2016-06-21T07:48:00Z")
> [@xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](#): > > But im convinced that a bad player cant have a good opinion. ![NEqOJJX.gif](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/6/3/63264442f862253da4b74a8ba5cf962944b23d3d.gif) ---
**Author:** ![xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/xx-aleiaq-xx/32/104142_2.png) [@xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xX-ALeIaQ-Xx)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:53am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/95 "2016-06-21T07:53:00Z")
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**Author:** ![xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/xx-aleiaq-xx/32/104142_2.png) [@xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xX-ALeIaQ-Xx)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:57am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/96 "2016-06-21T07:57:00Z")
why you’re talking of BF3? or BF in general? [http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/Opened Lord/stats/231645709/xbox360/](http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/Opened%20Lord/stats/231645709/xbox360/) you not credible, only 41H so experienced. please stop to spam in Forum. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:57am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/97 "2016-06-21T07:57:00Z")
Are you assuming I’ve never seen my own stats page? I also played on PC for less than an hour, on a friend’s PC that could barely handle the game on low (just because I literally wanted to see how bad it was - it was pretty bad). I play BF4 on Xbone, I have no reason to play it on PC. My stats are pretty above average for someone that literally only uses sniper rifles in CQB, with a silencer. Implying someone’s opinion doesn’t matter because they have worse stats than you makes you look like a dunce. ---
**Author:** ![Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/71c47a/32.png) [@Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Bertominus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:57am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/98 "2016-06-21T07:57:00Z")
> [@xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](#): > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > lel, I post more than the moderators do. Post count doesn’t mean anything. > > But im convinced that a bad player cant have a good opinion, as well i think that a kid or a sniper haters are not good players like you, that is the OP argument. A player doesn’t need to be skilled to have a good opinion. Skill doesn’t play much of a factor. You generally have two camps: casual and invested audiences. Both are key to a games success, and you can’t ignore either. ---
**Author:** ![xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/xx-aleiaq-xx/32/104142_2.png) [@xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xX-ALeIaQ-Xx)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 7:59am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/99 "2016-06-21T07:59:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > Are you assuming I’ve never seen my own stats page? > > I also played on PC for less than an hour, on a friend’s PC that could barely handle the game on low (just because I literally wanted to see how bad it was - it was pretty bad). I play BF4 on Xbone, I have no reason to play it on PC. > > My stats are pretty above average for someone that literally only uses sniper rifles in CQB, with a silencer. > > Implying someone’s opinion doesn’t matter because they have worse stats than you makes you look like a dunce. Stop you’re not credible. Stop to spam. You dont know the Battlefield games, because you don’t play so much to talk in EACH TOPIC, please stop yourself is ridiculous, you make ridiculous yourself. ---
**Author:** ![xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/xx-aleiaq-xx/32/104142_2.png) [@xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xX-ALeIaQ-Xx)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2016, 8:03am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309/100 "2016-06-21T08:03:00Z")
> [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > > [@xX-ALeIaQ-Xx](#): > > > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > > lel, I post more than the moderators do. Post count doesn’t mean anything. > > > > But im convinced that a bad player cant have a good opinion, as well i think that a kid or a sniper haters are not good players like you, that is the OP argument. > > A player doesn’t need to be skilled to have a good opinion. Skill doesn’t play much of a factor. Im not talking of SKILL, never i used this word. XP , Experience. anyway i want mute only this loqtroll because im bored every day to read his great opinions. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309.md?page=4) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/sniper-hates-and-kids-ruined-bf-series/102309.md?page=6)