# Snipers, Snipers and more snipers... **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 7, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288 "2017-12-07T21:31:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![UXROO](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/uxroo/32/103959_2.png) [@UXROO](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/UXROO)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/1 "2017-12-07T21:31:00Z")
I learned that WW1 was all about Snipers and that’s good. But maybe stop being so historical accurate because it kinda ruins the fun. Operations are unplayable (on most maps) because there is 10-15 Snipers in both teams (not saying it’s any better in other team)… And one thing that i simply can’t understand is why there is literally 0 realism in sniping.. Snipers can walk, jump or do almost whatever they want and still be as accurate as if they would use bipod. Another funny thing is that i have unlocked specialization which increases recoil for enemy but even if i shot near them no affect (i also get points for suppressing them so idk i guess i’m doing something)… I can hit sniper and half second later i will get hit/killed by same sniper. So funny… And when i’m using some scopes on machine gun or even without them and get suppressed it will be almost impossible to do any good with gun on few meters. Don’t get me wrong i know there are some good players and some lucky hits but it happens every round. Not sure when this SNIPER invasion started but few months ago as i remember it wasn’t so bad… I know this won’t make any changes but yeah… nice i love WW1. Only game i saw is even worst then BF1 (sniper related) is COD WW2… ---
**Author:** ![Gforce81](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/gforce81/32/100952_2.png) [@Gforce81](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Gforce81)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 10:10pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/2 "2017-12-07T22:10:00Z")
Its all about perspective. Personally, I feel that Automatic weapons are WAAY too prevalent in a game that is supposed to be WW1 themed. Heck, a good number of them weren’t even used in combat, were super rare prototypes. I roll my eyes every time I see a HR/Automatico I get that you HAVE to keep automatic weapons in any FPS to keep some players interested, but I’m sick of em. The more NON-automatic weapons they add with DLC, the happier I am. ---
**Author:** ![UXROO](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/uxroo/32/103959_2.png) [@UXROO](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/UXROO)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 10:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/3 "2017-12-07T22:16:00Z")
@Gforce81 they have to put different prototypes in game else half of those weapons wouldn’t be there and way less players would play. I agree automatico is annoying but on 20 meters you can outgun them without bigger problem. But snipers, well they’re far away and if there would be 5 of them i wouldn’t mind but everywhere i go there will be sniper (in most cases not only one), it’s annoying.. And it’s almost impossible to run away, i slide, jump zig zag and nothing helps (in most cases)… ---
**Author:** ![Gforce81](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/gforce81/32/100952_2.png) [@Gforce81](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Gforce81)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 10:22pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/4 "2017-12-07T22:22:00Z")
> [@UXROO](#): > > @Gforce81 they have to put different prototypes in game else half of those weapons wouldn’t be there and way less players would play. I agree automatico is annoying but on 20 meters you can outgun them without bigger problem. But snipers, well they’re far away and if there would be 5 of them i wouldn’t mind but everywhere i go there will be sniper (in most cases not only one), it’s annoying.. And it’s almost impossible to run away, i slide, jump zig zag and nothing helps (in most cases)… I get that you’re annoyed with em man, and I’m not going to argue that you’re wrong, opinions are just that, opinions. All I’m saying is that some people have the same ire for different things. Scouts get picked on a little too hard methinks. Again, just my opinion, but there it is ---
**Author:** ![D5RAT](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/d5rat/32/100944_2.png) [@D5RAT](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/D5RAT)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 10:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/5 "2017-12-07T22:36:00Z")
I have said all along slots should be limited in all categories 8 of each for 32 player teams , ---
**Author:** ![UXROO](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/uxroo/32/103959_2.png) [@UXROO](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/UXROO)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 12:27am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/6 "2017-12-08T00:27:00Z")
@Gforce81 Everyone has own opinion on different guns and everyone will never agree on same thing. 😄 So yeah, some balancing would be needed on many things in this game. ---
**Author:** ![I-Soldat-I](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/i-soldat-i/32/102250_2.png) [@I-Soldat-I](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/I-Soldat-I)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 3:36am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/7 "2017-12-08T03:36:00Z")
Playing on Operations as attacker and most of your team are snipers makes for an extremely boring experience ---
**Author:** ![Revokah](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/revokah/32/103267_2.png) [@Revokah](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Revokah)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 6:25am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/8 "2017-12-08T06:25:00Z")
Yeh I agree fully, class limits should be there without doubt. But then I’m also one that thinks the assault class shouldn’t be on the infantry maps full stop, certainly not the anti vehicle explosives ---
**Author:** ![l\_Grand\_Vizir\_l](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/l_grand_vizir_l/32/102597_2.png) [@l\_Grand\_Vizir\_l](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/l_Grand_Vizir_l)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 10:28am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/9 "2017-12-08T10:28:00Z")
Class limit is a really bad idea. . First how do you make it works ingame? I mean you play medic, you have a “medic slot”… but when you die, does the slot become free and someone can “steal” it from you, forcing you to play another class… or does it stack to you and nobody can play medic because medic slots are full? We can easily see how many ragequit we would have with such system. . And, i think i’m not alone playing like this but, i change class to be effective during a round. First you look at the map and how to be effective with it’s design, but during the round you adapt to the flag / chokepppoint were the battle is. If my squad mates and I, have trouble with a a tank. I get killed as support but i wouldn’t be able to switch to assaut because slots are already used even if those soldiers are fighting a behemoth far from my squad position? . Just imagine all the situations where these class limitation would be absurd. . I may be wrong, and that’s just my opinion. But i think you’re not pointing the real problems. - The map design. Most maps have large flat open areas… why would you like to punish players to use most effectiv weapons there? With afeew more trenches or rocks it would be different. - The rock/paper/cisor. Guns are mean to be effectiv in a certain way. What i’ve seen quite every game in Conquest is: _Shotgun noob_ from LMG users… _Hellriegel or automatico noob_ from sniper and medics… etc etc. Players hate the counter of their own favorite weapon. But nobody switch his handgrenade to smoke, or he’s automatico to even medic riffle… they just complain about the useless sniper with 8x scope on the mountain and do nothing. Or still run like chicken with their LMGs and die again and again, against the player who hold the gate with a shotgun… . I didn’t test it, but the Weapon rebalance project, buffing all guns except scouts IS the way. This with smarter players… I mean players who not stack on their “ultimate weapon” and adapt to situations… And maybe legends would disapear from forums. Legends like _scouts riffle suffer no supression… LMGs or medic riffles can’t counter snipers… shotgun can kill a mile away… etc etc etc_ . Just as a conclusion. How many players have even try once a support (infinite grenade ressuply) equiped with smoke grenades (quickest grenade to resuply)? Doing this with one friend in operation (aka scout fest) and we’ve been able do roll over all map long… . I’ would like to see more players trying to change their game style in each different situation, instead of trying to make Dice change the game to fit their way. ---
**Author:** ![Revokah](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/revokah/32/103267_2.png) [@Revokah](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Revokah)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 10:44am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/10 "2017-12-08T10:44:00Z")
I kinda agree to disagree, the scouts do ruin games if played how an actual sniper in a real life scenario would act ie sitting miles away from an objective in a bush doing practically nothing, but in a multiplayer shooter game that tactic just ruins the flow of the game and are more often than not the reason for a loss, I really don’t agree with the sweetspot it’s one of my only bug bares in bf1, it’s a garbage mechanic which promotes poor play. The reason people seem frustrated and myself included is such as last night I were playing a frontlines game, practically carrying the team with a couple of decent squad members, I ended up on 106 kills 21 deaths, I never got resupplies ever I had to pick up a foes kit and drop my own, I never got revived and I never saw a red dot on my mini map from the 7 snipers on our team, they fully deserved to lose that game by a landslide. But due to 3-4 players having a huge impact on the game they got a win from it… if even 3-4 of the snipers played support, medic or assault for the tanks, we would of won the game in 10 minutes and not 38… I agree to a certain extent to cap the classes but I’d only ever cap the scout class to a certain number per game mode. In my opinion all the other classes can bring something to the game, selfish scouts however do not ---
**Author:** ![l\_Grand\_Vizir\_l](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/l_grand_vizir_l/32/102597_2.png) [@l\_Grand\_Vizir\_l](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/l_Grand_Vizir_l)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 11:16am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/11 "2017-12-08T11:16:00Z")
I hate stat bashing and i wont go there. I wont look at any of your stats guys. But i’m pretty sure none of the ones who ask an “only for scouts” restriction do play this class… My experience would say that most of you are assault class lovers, maybe medics. I don’t blame you, but i’m a support / scout class lover it may explain our different point of view. How do i believe this? Because you only see scouts like sniper campers playing selfish far from any objectiv, trying to raise a pathetic low kill ratio avoiding death… 😉 . I love to play aggressiv with standard issue riffles or carabine, i used marksman varient when i started but now i’v let them down finding carabines far more fun. Why should i be punished by players who don’t play this class because of bad players… playing nothing (campers)??? . Sorry but you’re really selfish with such statment as “_slap scout class i dont play it, it wont bother me. But it would make the game more fun for me._”… . The real problem is from Dice. They know it and are working on the rebalance of guns. Blame them for the time it takes, blame them to do it one year after game’s launch. Ask to Dice to push the weapon rebalance faster, to focus on this. But don’t ask for something dumb like a class limitation (the idea, not the guys who have this opinion). ---
**Author:** ![Denisa\_Rowen](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/denisa_rowen/32/101690_2.png) [@Denisa\_Rowen](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Denisa_Rowen)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 1:37pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/12 "2017-12-08T13:37:00Z")
> [@UXROO](#): > > I learned that WW1 was all about Shotguns and that’s good. But maybe stop being so historical accurate because it kinda ruins the fun. Operations are unplayable (on most maps) because there is 10-15 Shotgun Users in both teams (not saying it’s any better in other team)… And one thing that i simply can’t understand is why there is literally 0 realism in run and gun with a shotgun in open battlefield.. Assaults can walk, jump or do almost whatever they want and still be as accurate as if they would use bipod. > > Not sure when this Shotgun invasion started but few months ago as i remember it wasn’t so bad… I know this won’t make any changes but yeah… nice i love WW1. Only game i saw is even worst then BF1 (shotgun related) is COD WW2… There, fixed that for you. Try and look at teh world as a whole, from many angles, not just from your small, narrow point of view, reflecting only your bias. Doing so you may end up a wealthy and happy man in real life also, in time ---
**Author:** ![UXROO](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/uxroo/32/103959_2.png) [@UXROO](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/UXROO)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/13 "2017-12-08T15:55:00Z")
With something like this many scout players will be pissed. I’m not saying scout is OP or that they should downgrade anything, only problem is number of scouts. Sadly whenever you try to run across open area (to get cover or to get somewhere) you will hear multiple shots and probably even get killed by sniper. When there are 10-15 scouts playing it’s a problem. Why? With most guns you can’t do much and snipers are accurate (even when they shouldn’t be), so with all that in mind, all fun it’s ruined. If you’re playing as pilot, tanker or you got special kit which gives you more health they won’t be problem, but for normal players, one hit by sniper and you’re kinda death (because all it takes is one bullet then) or if sweet spot you’re death. And i’m also not hating on snipers, i’m level 50 scout and i do play as scout time to time, but i still think that. Only weapon i could be hating on is shotgun other than that i’m cool 😛 @Denisa_Rowen Your comment made 0 sense and stop quoting people like that… it’s kinda obvious you’re point towards me else use (@ and name)… and if for you it’s normal that there is 10-15 scouts on most open maps well ok good for you. It’s called my opinion and that’s it. You don’t need to agree with me. ---
**Author:** ![virtualkill1432](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/virtualkill1432/32/104003_2.png) [@virtualkill1432](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/virtualkill1432)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/14 "2017-12-08T16:02:00Z")
Use smoke grenades,problem solved.. ---
**Author:** ![Revokah](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/revokah/32/103267_2.png) [@Revokah](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Revokah)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/15 "2017-12-08T16:13:00Z")
Can’t give up my beloved incendiary ---
**Author:** ![F1aw1ess](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/f1aw1ess/32/101905_2.png) [@F1aw1ess](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/F1aw1ess)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/16 "2017-12-08T18:33:00Z")
play on domination or war pigeon servers, they are great fun and dont have this problem ---
**Author:** ![UXROO](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/uxroo/32/103959_2.png) [@UXROO](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/UXROO)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/17 "2017-12-08T20:15:00Z")
@virtualkill1432 i tried that on galicia and some other maps - can confirm “PROBLEM NOT SOLVED” hahah 🙂 @F1aw1ess i like CQC and Operations, and i’m not really into smaller maps anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Sed1Tion](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Sed1Tion](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sed1Tion)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/18 "2017-12-08T21:15:00Z")
I’d say 30% of the team will be Scouts and up to 90% of those will be useless. Just sat at the back of the map shooting other glitter fairy’s on the other team. From the sound of it your using the suppression “specializtion” which needs you to be prone to be effective. Going prone makes you an easy target for a glitter fairy. ---
**Author:** ![Beejays396](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/beejays396/32/101308_2.png) [@Beejays396](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Beejays396)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/19 "2017-12-08T21:24:00Z")
I agree a map loaded with snipers is frustrating, but only if you’re the one receiving. I equally suck at all classes, but I rotate them all as needed. Most of the times I’ve seen many maps heavy on snipers is when less skilled players are getting their ¯\_(ツ)\_/¯ handed to them by highly skilled players. They get a few kills in, then retaliation comes in a class swap sniper return fire. It snowballs from there. Asking EA to make balance adjustments cause it’s effecting your K/D ratio is narcissistic behavior. IMHO, finding work arounds/making strategic adjustments should be just as challenging as raising your K/D. Their isn’t such thing called “fair” in war. It would also be impossible to implement complete fairness in gameplay for every individual. Suck it up buttercup. We all have to. ---
**Author:** ![PsychoKraken](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ac8455/32.png) [@PsychoKraken](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PsychoKraken)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 9:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288/20 "2017-12-08T21:41:00Z")
Scouts are doing bad. What the hell are you talking about OP? Wanna see an OP class take a look at support. Most of the games the majority of the players are running around in support kits. The automatic weapons have similar range to that of bolt action sniper rifles and class balance in general is a joke. So sorry bro the problem is not the scouts in the game. The problem is you. Scouts are the weakest at contesting objectives and have scout weapons that every other class can reach in range and power with their kit, so sorry not sorry. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/snipers-snipers-and-more-snipers/103288.md?page=2)