# So you nerfed the only usable shotgun because crybabies.

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**Created:** [November 15, 2016, 3:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684 "2016-11-15T15:49:00Z")\
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**Author:** ![st00gah](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@st00gah](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/st00gah)\
**Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/21 "2016-11-15T16:54:00Z")

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> [@RabNebula](#):
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> What are you going to do now? Get good and learn how to aim. Hellriegel, Automatico, MP18 are all viable weapons against medics.
> 
> Shotguns have a giant white circle of death for a cross hair. They take no skill to aim and let people get away with some absolutely brainless play. Now we may see people learn to try and use a bit of strategy rather than just relying on a ridiculous OHK no need to aim weapon to get them out of sticky situations. Theres been times I will get killed by and get kills with the shotgun from ranges way beyond where it should be possible in any game.
> 
> If they got rid of the crosshair off shotguns completely then they would still be easy to use, yet might be more respectable and a fraction more rewarding.

This. I deliberately stopped playing with a10 because it was just cheap and easy. I love shotguns but it felt wrong to ohk people across the whole capping area. Realistically it should but then any other weapon should kill you with 1-2 hits. Also… bf1 is too fast peaced to be able to avoid close combat, maps are small and everyone are running around objectives. It’s easier to avoid long range combat than close range.  
If the nerf is too severe then I won’t have a problem with buffing it again.

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**Author:** ![xLordVaderx12345](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/e19adc/32.png) [@xLordVaderx12345](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xLordVaderx12345)\
**Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/22 "2016-11-15T18:48:00Z")

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Right. I can be one hit at 75 meters by a guy in a window not playing the objective or 3 shot at any range almost by a guy whom revives the dead but I’m penalized because I’m in the thick of the fight with a close combat weapon? Right.

The hunter being a 2 shot kill is . Guess it’s off to hardcore soon to counter the endless nerfs.

It’s not being a crybaby wanting the game to stay the way it was outside some serious issues like lmgs. It’s bs.

Now it’s going to be idiots running around with lmgs with endless ammo and mortars with no counter. Guys with limitless health, heal the dead, guys who can airburst your whole squad and unlimited ammo, vs a guy whom can one shot kill at 20 meters but dies instantly if he misses. Really now.

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**Author:** ![Giliaaannn](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/e56c9b/32.png) [@Giliaaannn](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Giliaaannn)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/23 "2016-11-16T00:10:00Z")

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> [@RabNebula](#):
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> > [@xLordVaderx12345](#):
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> > Since when is 20 meters not considered close quarters? So not only can medics revive the dead, heal, 3 shot at most ranges, now they have no counter In close combat because shotguns are trashed.
> > 
> > I’m sorry but if your running hi in alleys or buildings assault is supposed to wreck you. If your oblivious of your surroundings your supposed to get wrecked..
> > 
> > Now what are we going to do for a functional shotgun now that the 10A hunter just got on?
> 
> What are you going to do now? Get good and learn how to aim. Hellriegel, Automatico, MP18 are all viable weapons against medics as well as all the nades and the rocket gun.
> 
> Shotguns have a giant white circle of death for a cross hair. They take no skill to aim and let people get away with some absolutely brainless play. Now we may see people learn to try and use a bit of strategy rather than just relying on a ridiculous OHK no need to aim weapon to get them in and out of sticky situations far too easily. Theres been times I will get killed by and get kills with the shotgun from ranges way beyond where it should be possible in any game.
> 
> If they got rid of the crosshair off shotguns completely then they would still be easy to use, yet might be more respectable and a fraction more rewarding.

You people are so full of . It’s an awesome weapon indeed but whoever came up with that that it OHK at way too long ranges is really full of it. The only time I get kills from ranges way beyond (nice exxeggaration there) where it should be possible is when the enemy is already at 20 hp or something.  
I you miss once you are dead unless the other guys is complete garbage. It takes 3+ shots to kill someone at, I guess, 20+ meters or so. If you lose that fight at that range you should just quit playing.  
And very often like this happens:

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i058sQOmUw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i058sQOmUw)

All in all, it might need a little nerf but you people are really doing an awesome job at exxeggarating how good this weapon really is. It’s the same with the Martini Henry which obviously has a very nice sweetspot but for example the Gewehr M95 (irc) fires faster which makes it much better at various ranges.

Or this happens, which is how it is supposed to work, when you point a shotgun in someone face and fire you kill them.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae6Mr5pEsb0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae6Mr5pEsb0)

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**Author:** ![Giliaaannn](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/e56c9b/32.png) [@Giliaaannn](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Giliaaannn)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/24 "2016-11-16T00:12:00Z")

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> [@Malakith-Asim](#):
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> > [@xLordVaderx12345](#):
> >
> > > [@BB-Pio\_USA](#):
> > >
> > > Too bad so sad you’ll have aim now.
> > 
> > [https://m.youtube.com/user/xlDeathlxJosey](https://m.youtube.com/user/xlDeathlxJosey)  
> > I had 4 million views on 50 videos because my ability to aim a sniper. I was number one In the world with the recon kit in Bad company 1 and with 3 snipers for years with a 3.5ktd ratio. Back when sniping was hard.
> > 
> > I am aware how to aim. However I’m using a shotgun. Derp. Its called dominance of its environment which is close quarters. I’m sorry do you guys now want medic to have a invulnerability star drop as well.
> > 
> > You bring a rifle in a building you should die. 20 meters is Close combat. Hip fire from 15 meters is necessary because the prevalence of gas and a hip fire weapon should dominate that scenario.
> > 
> > I also aim with the shotguns mostly but mask wise in War Pigeons this is going to be a huge issue.
> 
> I got over 5mil views in this video alone:
> 
> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmkffMQ4OMc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmkffMQ4OMc)
> 
> Boohoo
> 
> You should still have to aim with a shotgun, and if you do that you’ll do good with it. I’m happy with the changes, and that’s coming from someone who used the hunter a lot. If you can’t outgun people with it below 15m then you’re the problem, not the weapon.

Or it’s the game like in the video I posted above. That clearly should be a kill. I don’t know but I just had a match where I got on constantly, maybe it was lag or maybe it was this change or maybe it was just a fluke.

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**Author:** ![Nietzscheese](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/nietzscheese/32/102953_2.png) [@Nietzscheese](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Nietzscheese)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 12:13am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/25 "2016-11-16T00:13:00Z")

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Shotguns haven’t been nerfed – but they need to be.

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**Author:** ![Giliaaannn](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/e56c9b/32.png) [@Giliaaannn](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Giliaaannn)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 12:31am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/26 "2016-11-16T00:31:00Z")

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> [@Netc0de](#):
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> > [@xLordVaderx12345](#):
> >
> > > [@Malakith-Asim](#):
> > >
> > > I don’t think they nerfed it, just changed a bug where it sometimes would do insane damage and moments where It barely does damage.
> > 
> > I was a shotgun guy on BF4 all my top guns were shotguns. I’m shotgun guy in this game. I have one usable shotgun. My brother does the same. He said the hip fire is trashed now and that was the weapons strength because of gas in close areas and you had the advantage over rifles. Now I have to be closer to kill anyone too? Why does dice continually think I have to shove a shotgun up someones nose to kill them?
> > 
> > You crybabies is why BF4 tanks and helicopters sucked in core. Go find another game.
> 
> You should have to have a shotgun shoved up someones nose to kill them considering every other weapon except for sniper rifles do completely trash unrealistic damage.
> 
> You have to remember that even though shotguns “do this much damage or more” in real life, doesnt make up for the fact that no other weapons in the game are modeled even semi realistically except for sniper rifles.
> 
> If the shotgun can kill in 1 shot at 15m, a .45 round in the head from 15m should kill in 1 shot at the same range, or a 9m, or any single weapon in the game.
> 
> The problem is that you have 2 weapons in the game that feel like they are in hardcore mode, shotguns and sniper rifles. Then you have every other weapon in the game which feels like playing halo and takes 1/2 magazine at best to kill someone.
> 
> Balancing needs to be done.

No, no balancing needs to be done at all just because of your feelz about two weapons “being in hardcore mode” and the rest “taking 1/2 a magazine at best to kill someone”. You just spout out all sorts of things without considering everything.

It’s beyond ridiculous that people want nerfs for a weapons range that ONLY works within 15 meters or so. It’s useless at any other range, completely useless. Suck it up really. For all the times you get one shot you get free kills of off people who have to traverse open spaces with shotguns.

Clearly the people who want nerfs are the ones who don’t use it and get killed by it. Especially the ones who got so by getting killed clearly have no clue about this weapon when they have to say “now you have to aim”.

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**Author:** ![Giliaaannn](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/e56c9b/32.png) [@Giliaaannn](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Giliaaannn)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/27 "2016-11-16T00:40:00Z")

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> [@st00gah](#):
>
> > [@RabNebula](#):
> >
> > What are you going to do now? Get good and learn how to aim. Hellriegel, Automatico, MP18 are all viable weapons against medics.
> > 
> > Shotguns have a giant white circle of death for a cross hair. They take no skill to aim and let people get away with some absolutely brainless play. Now we may see people learn to try and use a bit of strategy rather than just relying on a ridiculous OHK no need to aim weapon to get them out of sticky situations. Theres been times I will get killed by and get kills with the shotgun from ranges way beyond where it should be possible in any game.
> > 
> > If they got rid of the crosshair off shotguns completely then they would still be easy to use, yet might be more respectable and a fraction more rewarding.
> 
> This. I deliberately stopped playing with a10 because it was just cheap and easy. I love shotguns but it felt wrong to ohk people across the whole capping area. Realistically it should but then any other weapon should kill you with 1-2 hits. Also… bf1 is too fast peaced to be able to avoid close combat, maps are small and everyone are running around objectives. It’s easier to avoid long range combat than close range.  
> If the nerf is too severe then I won’t have a problem with buffing it again.

Yeah man, clearly you don’t need to use strategy right? Just run and shoot, no need to aim either. Please fo.  
“OHK people across the whole capping area”, in what game? I think you are on the wrong forum.

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**Author:** ![G36CE](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/g36ce/32/102032_2.png) [@G36CE](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/G36CE)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 12:48am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/28 "2016-11-16T00:48:00Z")

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> [@Carreta\_Fofao](#):
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> This game has a lot of same stats weapons. All the pistols have the same hipfire accuracy, except for one. In a game with few guns, difference between then should be nice.

This is a really good point. Shame it got glossed over so easily in this thread.

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**Author:** ![TheMalakith](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/themalakith/32/102730_2.png) [@TheMalakith](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TheMalakith)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/29 "2016-11-16T01:00:00Z")

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> [@Creasie](#):
>
> > [@Malakith-Asim](#):
> >
> > > [@xLordVaderx12345](#):
> > >
> > > > [@BB-Pio\_USA](#):
> > > >
> > > > Too bad so sad you’ll have aim now.
> > > 
> > > [https://m.youtube.com/user/xlDeathlxJosey](https://m.youtube.com/user/xlDeathlxJosey)  
> > > I had 4 million views on 50 videos because my ability to aim a sniper. I was number one In the world with the recon kit in Bad company 1 and with 3 snipers for years with a 3.5ktd ratio. Back when sniping was hard.
> > > 
> > > I am aware how to aim. However I’m using a shotgun. Derp. Its called dominance of its environment which is close quarters. I’m sorry do you guys now want medic to have a invulnerability star drop as well.
> > > 
> > > You bring a rifle in a building you should die. 20 meters is Close combat. Hip fire from 15 meters is necessary because the prevalence of gas and a hip fire weapon should dominate that scenario.
> > > 
> > > I also aim with the shotguns mostly but mask wise in War Pigeons this is going to be a huge issue.
> > 
> > I got over 5mil views in this video alone:
> > 
> > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmkffMQ4OMc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmkffMQ4OMc)
> > 
> > Boohoo
> > 
> > You should still have to aim with a shotgun, and if you do that you’ll do good with it. I’m happy with the changes, and that’s coming from someone who used the hunter a lot. If you can’t outgun people with it below 15m then you’re the problem, not the weapon.
> 
> Or it’s the game like in the video I posted above. That clearly should be a kill. I don’t know but I just had a match where I got on constantly, maybe it was lag or maybe it was this change or maybe it was just a fluke.

The hitreg is just off, and that’s very noticable with shotguns in this game. This should be fixed, but the damage model is fine and didn’t get a nerf.

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**Author:** ![xLordVaderx12345](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/e19adc/32.png) [@xLordVaderx12345](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xLordVaderx12345)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:30am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/30 "2016-11-16T01:30:00Z")

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I recorded this video in 2009. Obviously I been a shotgun fan a long time and I been playing since BF2 MC on the Original Xbox. I know multiplayer games. The Hunter A10 was not overpowered. It was right.

This my dear friends from the early days of Modern warfare 2 in 2009 is an overpowered shotgun. It’s the model 1887 dual shotguns pre nerf. These things were shotgun snipers in the literal sense and killing 3 guys in one shot was not out of the question.

[![Video: Call of Duty MW2, Model 1887 Pre Nerf Hostile Takeover at C.](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/6/8/68c648dee1b38cc0252749a74546ec3b00ea0154.jpeg "Call of Duty MW2, Model 1887 Pre Nerf Hostile Takeover at C.") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TADMJHHGeJE)

Here is a video from 2009 showing AA12 extended mags in MW2. This stayed that way no nerf. When games had gonads enough to say get good or die. Everyone has the same OP weapons and there were counters.

This is an extraordinary overpowered shotgun.

[![Video: COD MW2, AA12 Shotgun Extended Mags MASSACRE.](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/a/d/adbc1bfa860669765208f1be4b963645d02af530.jpeg "COD MW2, AA12 Shotgun Extended Mags MASSACRE.") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsCkEmag7bk)

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**Author:** ![CnConrad](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/cnconrad/32/101538_2.png) [@CnConrad](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CnConrad)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:35am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/31 "2016-11-16T01:35:00Z")

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So… what was nerfed?

The A-10 was good. The rest really were not good.

Did this make the A-10 as bad as the rest or not?

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**Author:** ![screaming3agle](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/screaming3agle/32/103394_2.png) [@screaming3agle](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/screaming3agle)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:36am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/32 "2016-11-16T01:36:00Z")

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That moment when shotgun spammers are mad because they can no longer use them as dmrs

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**Author:** ![xLordVaderx12345](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/e19adc/32.png) [@xLordVaderx12345](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xLordVaderx12345)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/33 "2016-11-16T01:40:00Z")

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> [@screaming3agle](#):
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> That moment when shotgun spammers are mad because they can no longer use them as dmrs

Except you couldn’t anyways. As stated above it only killed further out when someone was weak. It was always 2 to 3 shots aimed past 20 meters with the hunter. If you ran into more than one medic or support you died instantly if you were even slightly in the open.

Spare me. I have a 70% win percentage I. War Pigeons because the shotgun is the clearing class for Bunkers and buildings.

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**Author:** ![BPRDAgent](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/90db22/32.png) [@BPRDAgent](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BPRDAgent)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:46am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/34 "2016-11-16T01:46:00Z")

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Where is the info on shotgun nerfs? There’s nothing in the patch notes about them at all. And a dude using MW2 as an example of balancing, lol. One of the most unbalanced games of all time as a positive example . . . no thanks.

The problem with shotguns is that they render smgs functionally useless, and objectives require players to be in close range. One shotgun guy gets on an objective and he can one-shot six enemies in a raw with the most minimum of aiming skills. It’s not hard. I’ve done it, and I’m not a good player. I tried shotguns of various kinds and they felt way too easy.

One-shot kill weapons that are very easy to use are not balanced. Even with the extremely strong Automatico you at LEAST have to keep your crosshairs on the enemy for five shots to land.

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**Author:** ![Callahan44er](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/callahan44er/32/101446_2.png) [@Callahan44er](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Callahan44er)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/35 "2016-11-16T01:50:00Z")

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> [@xLordVaderx12345](#):
>
> I recorded this video in 2009. Obviously I been a shotgun fan a long time and I been playing since BF2 MC on the Original Xbox. I know multiplayer games. The Hunter A10 was not overpowered. It was right.
> 
> This my dear friends from the early days of Modern warfare 2 in 2009 is an overpowered shotgun. It’s the model 1887 dual shotguns pre nerf. These things were shotgun snipers in the literal sense and killing 3 guys in one shot was not out of the question.
> 
> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TADMJHHGeJE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TADMJHHGeJE)
> 
> Here is a video from 2009 showing AA12 extended mags in MW2. This stayed that way no nerf. When games had gonads enough to say get good or die. Everyone has the same OP weapons and there were counters.
> 
> This is an extraordinary overpowered shotgun.
> 
> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsCkEmag7bk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsCkEmag7bk)

Uhmm…this is the battlefield forum.

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**Author:** ![TropicPoison](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tropicpoison/32/103892_2.png) [@TropicPoison](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TropicPoison)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/36 "2016-11-16T01:55:00Z")

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> [@xLordVaderx12345](#):
>
> > [@BB-Pio\_USA](#):
> >
> > Too bad so sad you’ll have aim now.
> 
> [https://m.youtube.com/user/xlDeathlxJosey](https://m.youtube.com/user/xlDeathlxJosey)  
> I had 4 million views on 50 videos because my ability to aim a sniper. I was number one In the world with the recon kit in Bad company 1 and with 3 snipers for years with a 3.5ktd ratio. Back when sniping was hard.
> 
> I am aware how to aim. However I’m using a shotgun. Derp. Its called dominance of its environment which is close quarters. I’m sorry do you guys now want medic to have a invulnerability star drop as well.
> 
> You bring a rifle in a building you should die. 20 meters is Close combat. Hip fire from 15 meters is necessary because the prevalence of gas and a hip fire weapon should dominate that scenario.
> 
> I also aim with the shotguns mostly but mask wise in War Pigeons this is going to be a huge issue.

Much ego stroking much wow

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**Author:** ![Evil1nside](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/evil1nside/32/101887_2.png) [@Evil1nside](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Evil1nside)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/37 "2016-11-16T02:01:00Z")

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It wasn’t nerfed, but imo it should be. It just got fixed.

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**Author:** ![someguy12121](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/someguy12121/32/103557_2.png) [@someguy12121](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/someguy12121)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/38 "2016-11-16T02:04:00Z")

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> [@xLordVaderx12345](#):
>
> > [@BB-Pio\_USA](#):
> >
> > Too bad so sad you’ll have aim now.
> 
> [https://m.youtube.com/user/xlDeathlxJosey](https://m.youtube.com/user/xlDeathlxJosey)  
> I had 4 million views on 50 videos because my ability to aim a sniper. I was number one In the world with the recon kit in Bad company 1 and with 3 snipers for years with a 3.5ktd ratio. Back when sniping was hard.
> 
> I am aware how to aim. However I’m using a shotgun. Derp. Its called dominance of its environment which is close quarters. I’m sorry do you guys now want medic to have a invulnerability star drop as well.
> 
> You bring a rifle in a building you should die. 20 meters is Close combat. Hip fire from 15 meters is necessary because the prevalence of gas and a hip fire weapon should dominate that scenario.
> 
> I also aim with the shotguns mostly but mask wise in War Pigeons this is going to be a huge issue.

I didn’t ask how many people watch your vids nor do I care.

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**Author:** ![maggotforl133](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@maggotforl133](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/maggotforl133)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/39 "2016-11-16T02:12:00Z")

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> [@Dark\_Kn1ght\_6277](#):
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> > [@xLordVaderx12345](#):
> >
> > Since when is 20 meters not considered close quarters? So not only can medics revive the dead, heal, 3 shot at most ranges, now they have no counter In close combat because shotguns are trashed.
> > 
> > I’m sorry but if your running in alleys or buildings assault is supposed to wreck you. If your oblivious of your surroundings your supposed to get wrecked..
> > 
> > Now what are we going to do for a functional shotgun mow that the 10A hunter just got on?
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> I thought the Destiny community was full of cry-babies . . .

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**Author:** ![maggotforl133](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@maggotforl133](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/maggotforl133)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:14am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/so-you-nerfed-the-only-usable-shotgun-because-crybabies/102684/40 "2016-11-16T02:14:00Z")

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i think all the destiny players came here haha

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