# Spawn on Squadleader only? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 3, 2018, 12:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690 "2018-06-03T12:55:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![snavelaer](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/snavelaer/32/103541_2.png) [@snavelaer](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/snavelaer)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 12:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/1 "2018-06-03T12:55:00Z")
I hear all good things about stimulating teamplay by making ammo scarce so players are more depending on other players to provide ammo . Also positive and interesting things about how medic/reviving works. Does it also means squadleader get squadleader only spawn? Now the squadleader is nothing more than means to gather some extra points. The squadleader has hardly any tactical advantage other than highlighting objectives. Random squadleaders have hardly any credibility. Why listen to their commands? Anyone have any info? Greetings Snaveaer \<3 p.s: I am back and cooking and brewing some concept designs. Hold on! Tip Tip TallyHoo. ---
**Author:** ![von\_Campenstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/von_campenstein/32/101003_2.png) [@von\_Campenstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/von_Campenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/2 "2018-06-03T13:28:00Z")
I’d like to see a sap health function in there, if you spawn in the squadleader and remain sitting on said squadleader obstructing his gameplay he gets to leech off of you. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Chompski](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Mister\_Chompski](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Mister_Chompski)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/3 "2018-06-03T13:31:00Z")
I’d rather the squad leader be lacking any major, special role within a squad (he will call it support items like the V1 rocket) than to have an over reliance on a possible brain dead leader. ---
**Author:** ![Noodlesocks](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/noodlesocks/32/101045_2.png) [@Noodlesocks](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Noodlesocks)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/4 "2018-06-03T15:04:00Z")
If you want to players to play a certain way, you have to force them to. Simply encouraging a play style isn’t going to work because players are always going to do whatever they feel like if the game enables them to do so. And that is what we have seen in Battlefield games since BF3. Squad members just spawning wherever is most convenient for themselves and running off to do whatever they feel like and honestly, this is genuinely the most efficient way of playing Battlefield under the current squad spawn system because it maximises your teams possible spawn point coverage across the map. The current squad spawn system doesn’t encourage sticking together or squad play, it actively discourages it. And I say it has been like this since Battlefield 3 because the squad spawn system wasn’t designed for Battlefield map design. It wasn’t designed for open, lateral maps. It was designed for the Bad Company series. It was designed for more linear map design where there was always a very clear front line. It is why the current spawn system still works well for Rush and Operations but when it comes to conquest, the squad system just breaks down in to a free for all. Ideally they would change the squad spawn system in Conquest to SL spawn only but a good compromise would be allowing squad leaders more control over their own squad instead of simply relying on passive squad bonuses to encourage teamwork. Allowing squad leaders to choose what kind of spawn system they want in their own squad will allow players who want that kind of squad play the means to play with other like minded players while allowing other players to join or create another squad with squad spawning rules. ---
**Author:** ![ProLegion\_exor](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/prolegion_exor/32/101880_2.png) [@ProLegion\_exor](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ProLegion_exor)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/5 "2018-06-03T17:06:00Z")
A good Squad Leader win games, he keep his Squad working togheter at critical situations. I dont think we need a SL spawn only. ---
**Author:** ![von\_Campenstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/von_campenstein/32/101003_2.png) [@von\_Campenstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/von_Campenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/6 "2018-06-03T18:09:00Z")
> [@ProLegion\_exor](#): > > A good Squad Leader win games, he keep his Squad working togheter at critical situations. > > I dont think we need a SL spawn only. Do you have a special deluxe set cattle prod for that? I can’t seem to get my people to come join me on the flag most the time. ---
**Author:** ![ProLegion\_exor](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/prolegion_exor/32/101880_2.png) [@ProLegion\_exor](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ProLegion_exor)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 6:43pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/7 "2018-06-03T18:43:00Z")
> [@von\_Campenstein](#): > > > [@ProLegion\_exor](#): > > > > A good Squad Leader win games, he keep his Squad working togheter at critical situations. > > > > I dont think we need a SL spawn only. > > Do you have a special deluxe set cattle prod for that? I can’t seem to get my people to come join me on the flag most the time. Be first and lead by example. After a while they will start to do as u do. ---
**Author:** ![von\_Campenstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/von_campenstein/32/101003_2.png) [@von\_Campenstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/von_Campenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/8 "2018-06-03T18:45:00Z")
> [@ProLegion\_exor](#): > > > [@von\_Campenstein](#): > > > > > [@ProLegion\_exor](#): > > > > > > A good Squad Leader win games, he keep his Squad working togheter at critical situations. > > > > > > I dont think we need a SL spawn only. > > > > Do you have a special deluxe set cattle prod for that? I can’t seem to get my people to come join me on the flag most the time. > > Be first and lead by example. After a while they will start to do as u do. I bet it helps if you’re handing out candy on the flag, playing a class without treats it becomes somewhat harder to lure them in. ---
**Author:** ![ProLegion\_exor](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/prolegion_exor/32/101880_2.png) [@ProLegion\_exor](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ProLegion_exor)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/9 "2018-06-03T18:46:00Z")
> [@von\_Campenstein](#): > > > [@ProLegion\_exor](#): > > > > > [@von\_Campenstein](#): > > > > > > > [@ProLegion\_exor](#): > > > > > > > > A good Squad Leader win games, he keep his Squad working togheter at critical situations. > > > > > > > > I dont think we need a SL spawn only. > > > > > > Do you have a special deluxe set cattle prod for that? I can’t seem to get my people to come join me on the flag most the time. > > > > Be first and lead by example. After a while they will start to do as u do. > > I bet it helps if you’re handing out candy on the flag, playing a class without treats it becomes somewhat harder to lure them in. Yes absolutly. Medic is the best class if u want them to stick to u. ---
**Author:** ![Alphazetamu](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/alphazetamu/32/101187_2.png) [@Alphazetamu](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Alphazetamu)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 6:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/10 "2018-06-03T18:48:00Z")
I’ve gotta admit, I’m going to have to say that on balance, I’m against restricting it to leaders only. One reason being that sometimes I played with 1 or 2 friends, so we would join an existing squad at the start of the round instead of locking our own squad, but we of course would play as a more functional unit together than would otherwise be possible. ---
**Author:** ![warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/warslag/32/101053_2.png) [@warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/warslag)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/11 "2018-06-03T19:10:00Z")
I used to want SQL spawn only but now I don’t. A couple of reasons I wanted it back was that sometimes players spawning on me would make lots of noise and give my position away, or they would try to occupy the exact same place I was in which really annoys me. Players forget that they have spawned on a person who is trying to play the game. A better solution would be something like spawning teammates a bit further away or maybe have a reminder to be considerate of who they’re spawning on. ---
**Author:** ![von\_Campenstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/von_campenstein/32/101003_2.png) [@von\_Campenstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/von_Campenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/12 "2018-06-03T19:54:00Z")
> [@warslag](#): > > I used to want SQL spawn only but now I don’t. A couple of reasons I wanted it back was that sometimes players spawning on me would make lots of noise and give my position away, or they would try to occupy the exact same place I was in which really annoys me. Players forget that they have spawned on a person who is trying to play the game. A better solution would be something like spawning teammates a bit further away or maybe have a reminder to be considerate of who they’re spawning on. It’s the price you pay for direction. I take over squadlead 9 games out of 10 because people simply don’t give orders anymore in general and once lead people do tend to spawn on me, which is a good thing, the bad is they don’t fan out but pose for a group photo till I move. It could be worse though, they could not spawn on me and be off prone on the other side of the map. ---
**Author:** ![snavelaer](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/snavelaer/32/103541_2.png) [@snavelaer](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/snavelaer)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/13 "2018-06-03T20:39:00Z")
I hear some good arguments on both sides. I am not sure if I am for or against. on a rented server you can set this up as a serversetting right? ---
**Author:** ![TickTak77](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ticktak77/32/103838_2.png) [@TickTak77](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TickTak77)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/14 "2018-06-03T20:42:00Z")
The only downside to LEADER-ONLY spawn system is if your leader lacks awareness, your entire squad will sufffer. Combine that with the squad leader having the ability to spend squad points, and you all of a sudden start putting a lot of responsibilities on one person’s shoulders, which seems ripe for frustration. ---
**Author:** ![WetFishDB](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/wetfishdb/32/104050_2.png) [@WetFishDB](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/WetFishDB)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 9:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/15 "2018-06-03T21:01:00Z")
I don’t know the answer to squad leader spawn, but I believe they now can use accumulated ‘squad points’ which can then be used to order in tanks/missiles or something. Squad leader role actually got even more important (as has working with your squad). ---
**Author:** ![warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/warslag/32/101053_2.png) [@warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/warslag)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/16 "2018-06-03T21:41:00Z")
> [@von\_Campenstein](#): > > > [@warslag](#): > > > > I used to want SQL spawn only but now I don’t. A couple of reasons I wanted it back was that sometimes players spawning on me would make lots of noise and give my position away, or they would try to occupy the exact same place I was in which really annoys me. Players forget that they have spawned on a person who is trying to play the game. A better solution would be something like spawning teammates a bit further away or maybe have a reminder to be considerate of who they’re spawning on. > > It’s the price you pay for direction. I take over squadlead 9 games out of 10 because people simply don’t give orders anymore in general and once lead people do tend to spawn on me, which is a good thing, the bad is they don’t fan out but pose for a group photo till I move. It could be worse though, they could not spawn on me and be off prone on the other side of the map. I don’t think I made myself clear. I used to want SQL spawn only back because I wanted to be a squad member rather than SQL so that teammates could NOT spawn on me. I played SQL for 1,563 hours in BF2. That means I was the only spawn point for my squad for all that time. These newer Battlefields play much differently and the old SQL would probably be difficult to sell to the current player-base . To be honest I would just like players to stop spawning on me and then firing from my position. Some players even try to occupy the exact spot I’m on. Because they just see the spawn as an object and not a person playing the game. The old SQL was much more personal and you actually got to know your squad. Sometimes even strike up friendships that way. I think all the BF2 players thought that these things from BF2 would be updated and incorporated into next gen Battlefields. Instead they’ve abandoned the complex stuff in favour of making the game more accessible, and probably more saleable, to a wider range of people. But if this is the way it has to be then I would prefer if they weren’t spawned close enough to me to give my position away or to plonk down on my spot. ---
**Author:** ![von\_Campenstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/von_campenstein/32/101003_2.png) [@von\_Campenstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/von_Campenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 9:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/17 "2018-06-03T21:48:00Z")
> [@warslag](#): > > > [@von\_Campenstein](#): > > > > > [@warslag](#): > > > > > > I used to want SQL spawn only but now I don’t. A couple of reasons I wanted it back was that sometimes players spawning on me would make lots of noise and give my position away, or they would try to occupy the exact same place I was in which really annoys me. Players forget that they have spawned on a person who is trying to play the game. A better solution would be something like spawning teammates a bit further away or maybe have a reminder to be considerate of who they’re spawning on. > > > > It’s the price you pay for direction. I take over squadlead 9 games out of 10 because people simply don’t give orders anymore in general and once lead people do tend to spawn on me, which is a good thing, the bad is they don’t fan out but pose for a group photo till I move. It could be worse though, they could not spawn on me and be off prone on the other side of the map. > > I don’t think I made myself clear. I used to want SQL spawn only back because I wanted to be a squad member rather than SQL so that teammates could NOT spawn on me. > > I played SQL for 1,563 hours in BF2. That means I was the only spawn point for my squad for all that time. These newer Battlefields play much differently and the old SQL would probably be difficult to sell to the current player-base . > > To be honest I would just like players to stop spawning on me and then firing from my position. Some players even try to occupy the exact spot I’m on. > > Because they just see the spawn as an object and not a person playing the game. The old SQL was much more personal and you actually got to know your squad. Sometimes even strike up friendships that way. > > I think all the BF2 players thought that all these things from BF2 would be updated and incorporated into next gen Battlefields. Instead they’ve abandoned the complex stuff in favour of making the game more accessible and probably more salable to a wider range of people. But if this is the way it has to be then I would prefer if they weren’t close enough to me to give my position away or to plonk down on my spot. Yeah I’d probably not take lead for much the same reason, annoying that you all of a sudden cannot move because there is someone prone at your feet. ---
**Author:** ![DrunkwoIf](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@DrunkwoIf](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DrunkwoIf)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/18 "2018-06-03T21:58:00Z")
Having a good squad leader was a big deal and those players whole had that knack to stay alive were perfect for it giving their squad a chance to spawn back in on them. it could lead to very nice team work. It has been dumbed down to spawning on anybody and that is so the adhd crowd can quickly spawn on the closest person to any action. maybe a compromise would be if you spawn on the squad leader you spawn in sooner? if you spawn anywhere else then your dead longer. ---
**Author:** ![von\_Campenstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/von_campenstein/32/101003_2.png) [@von\_Campenstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/von_Campenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 10:25pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/19 "2018-06-03T22:25:00Z")
> [@DrunkwoIf](#): > > Having a good squad leader was a big deal and those players whole had that knack to stay alive were perfect for it giving their squad a chance to spawn back in on them. it could lead to very nice team work. It has been dumbed down to spawning on anybody and that is so the adhd crowd can quickly spawn on the closest person to any action. maybe a compromise would be if you spawn on the squad leader you spawn in sooner? if you spawn anywhere else then your dead longer. Or you toggle a request for people to spawn on you, opening you up to be spawned upon with a specific demand, that people spawning in bring heals, ammo, flare, what have you, only people with that equipped can then spawn in on that perticular person. ---
**Author:** ![DrunkwoIf](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@DrunkwoIf](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DrunkwoIf)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 10:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690/20 "2018-06-03T22:33:00Z")
> [@von\_Campenstein](#): > > > [@DrunkwoIf](#): > > > > Having a good squad leader was a big deal and those players whole had that knack to stay alive were perfect for it giving their squad a chance to spawn back in on them. it could lead to very nice team work. It has been dumbed down to spawning on anybody and that is so the adhd crowd can quickly spawn on the closest person to any action. maybe a compromise would be if you spawn on the squad leader you spawn in sooner? if you spawn anywhere else then your dead longer. > > Or you toggle a request for people to spawn on you, opening you up to be spawned upon with a specific demand, that people spawning in bring heals, ammo, flare, what have you, only people with that equipped can then spawn in on that perticular person. interesting idea, so maybe no set squads just squad leaders that anybody can spawn on if you are the class they want and there is room in the squad. imagine how funny it would be when people want to actually win and play as a team so nobody wants snipers and none can spawn in! haha [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/spawn-on-squadleader-only/105690.md?page=2)