# the kill-trade is out of control. ruined the game! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 10, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119 "2017-05-10T01:54:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![x\_Undaunted\_x](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/x_undaunted_x/32/104094_2.png) [@x\_Undaunted\_x](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/x_Undaunted_x)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 3:24pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/101 "2017-05-24T15:24:00Z")
> [@APBT](#): > > > [@disposalist](#): > > > > > [@APBT](#): > > > > > > The problem I have with KT is that if I line up a guy first, he shouldn’t be able to turn around and panick fire on me FTW. > > > > > > Then there are times when I’m injured and could take out a few guys, but not now with the magic bullet. > > > It makes being a lone wolf that much harder. > > > I guess some guys need this feature more than others. And let’s not even talk about how aim assist plays into the equation, Which makes it even more of a BS issue. > > > > _sigh_ The “magic bullet” was the one disappearing _before_ kill trades were introduced. There’s no magic bullet now. If you die it’s because someone shot you. End of story. > > > > Yes, it’s more difficult to survive running around on your own now. As it should be. No more headless chicken tactics paying off because you pressed your fire button 25 millisecond before the enemy. You should not survive such reckless tactics. Now you do not. Develop a more realistic tactic. > > No need to sigh at me like a woman. > We can talk video games without all that. > > Anyways kill trades has big flaws when you factor in aim assist. I don’t know how many times I’ve died to the worst support guns up close using the faster ttk weapons, because of the flaw.That’s my problem with it. So if the server registers a kill for you but the other person has already shot but not reached you yet, those bullets should disappear because you got the kill? ---
**Author:** ![Dogwoggle11](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/dogwoggle11/32/101753_2.png) [@Dogwoggle11](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Dogwoggle11)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/102 "2017-05-24T16:18:00Z")
> [@APBT](#): > > > [@x\_Undaunted\_x](#): > > > > > [@APBT](#): > > > > > > tl;dr Battlefield is already easy, why make it easier. We need a rollback please… > > > > Kill trading does not make BF easier. If anything, it brings to light the people who _thought_ they were better when, in reality, they weren’t. No rollback needed. > > The problem is it impedes on the guys that really are good and that is my concern. > > Also you got to ask yourself how much does aim assist fit into this feature. It also handicaps everybody. > In fact aim assist shouldn’t be a factor. > Fair is fair, but this feature is not. I can live with it. But if I kill a guy too, when he killed me first, I should get an asterisk beside that kill in the stats colum. Bullets fly, pal. Unless you are Magneto, you won’t stop them. The feature is perfectly fair. ---
**Author:** ![aseveredfoot](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/839c29/32.png) [@aseveredfoot](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/aseveredfoot)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/103 "2017-05-24T16:22:00Z")
> [@Dogwoggle11](#): > > > [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > > > [@Dogwoggle11](#): > > > > > > Oh boy, I’m going to be so pissed if they finally decide to remove kill trades under 30m. > > > > it’s for melee only. > > Melee has killtrades too? I haven’t seen that. > > I guess I don’t have to be pissed then. All good news. I had a killtrade with someone killed me with a 1903 sniper and I killed him with a club :lol: > [@Dogwoggle11](#): > > > [@aseveredfoot](#): > > > > I’m not going to take his side, because personally I think a game that rewards anyone with the kill simply for shooting first is more “snowflake” than anything… > > > > But I did end up switching to faster TTK weapons from some of my old faves to purely to start trying to avert tradekills. I have no problem with them and think they’re a good addition, but it can be a buzzkill when you’re trying to push an objective, get a trade, and then either hope a medic revives you or just have to wait for a respawn. > > > > So I think he was suggesting that it’s going to end up that people will just use the weapons that kill fastest and the variety of loadouts will suffer more than it already does. But I don’t think removing killtrades is the answer. > > People will continue to use Sweeper, Hellriegel, MG15/BAR and SMLE/MH. > > Everything will be (and it is) the same. Of course. And where I personally didn’t before, now I have to as well, which was my point. Where I used to have really good rounds with Lewis Guns and Benet Mercies I now have to use MG15/BAR/Chauchat now too, since those with longer TTKs get tradekilled a lot now. I don’t stoop to using the sweeper SL though, I stick with Trench or Factory depending on whether or not it’s HC or core. ---
**Author:** ![x\_Undaunted\_x](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/x_undaunted_x/32/104094_2.png) [@x\_Undaunted\_x](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/x_Undaunted_x)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/104 "2017-05-24T16:23:00Z")
> [@APBT](#): > > The problem is it impedes on the guys that really are good and that is my concern. > > Also you got to ask yourself how much does aim assist fit into this feature. It also handicaps everybody. > In fact aim assist shouldn’t be a factor. > Fair is fair, but this feature is not. I can live with it. But if I kill a guy too, when he killed me first, I should get an asterisk beside that kill in the stats colum. If you were really that “good” you wouldn’t be kill trading to begin with except in times where latency is effecting you. Kill trading isn’t the problem, your ego is. ---
**Author:** ![Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rev0verDrive)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/105 "2017-05-24T16:28:00Z")
> [@APBT](#): > > > [@x\_Undaunted\_x](#): > > > > > [@APBT](#): > > > > > > tl;dr Battlefield is already easy, why make it easier. We need a rollback please… > > > > Kill trading does not make BF easier. If anything, it brings to light the people who _thought_ they were better when, in reality, they weren’t. No rollback needed. > > The problem is it impedes on the guys that really are good and that is my concern. > > Also you got to ask yourself how much does aim assist fit into this feature. It also handicaps everybody. > In fact aim assist shouldn’t be a factor. > Fair is fair, but this feature is not. I can live with it. But if I kill a guy too, when he killed me first, I should get an asterisk beside that kill in the stats colum. Was it really skill that got the kill credit first? Or was it ROF, muzzle velocity or lower latency getting hit reg claims to the server faster? ---
**Author:** ![foff667](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@foff667](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/foff667)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/106 "2017-05-24T16:28:00Z")
> [@aseveredfoot](#): > > > [@Dogwoggle11](#): > > > > > [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > > > > > [@Dogwoggle11](#): > > > > > > > > Oh boy, I’m going to be so pissed if they finally decide to remove kill trades under 30m. > > > > > > it’s for melee only. > > > > Melee has killtrades too? I haven’t seen that. > > > > I guess I don’t have to be pissed then. All good news. > > I had a killtrade with someone killed me with a 1903 sniper and I killed him with a club :lol: > > > [@Dogwoggle11](#): > > > > > [@aseveredfoot](#): > > > > > > I’m not going to take his side, because personally I think a game that rewards anyone with the kill simply for shooting first is more “snowflake” than anything… > > > > > > But I did end up switching to faster TTK weapons from some of my old faves to purely to start trying to avert tradekills. I have no problem with them and think they’re a good addition, but it can be a buzzkill when you’re trying to push an objective, get a trade, and then either hope a medic revives you or just have to wait for a respawn. > > > > > > So I think he was suggesting that it’s going to end up that people will just use the weapons that kill fastest and the variety of loadouts will suffer more than it already does. But I don’t think removing killtrades is the answer. > > > > People will continue to use Sweeper, Hellriegel, MG15/BAR and SMLE/MH. > > > > Everything will be (and it is) the same. > > Of course. And where I personally didn’t before, now I have to as well, which was my point. Where I used to have really good rounds with Lewis Guns and Benet Mercies I now have to use MG15/BAR/Chauchat now too, since those with longer TTKs get tradekilled a lot now. I don’t stoop to using the sweeper SL though, I stick with Trench or Factory depending on whether or not it’s HC or core. I had a melee kill trade where we were both using the axe, I did the animation kill but he killed me with his axe after the animation…GET RID OF THE STUPID KILL TRADE THEY DO NOT WORK PROPERLY! ---
**Author:** ![Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rev0verDrive)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/107 "2017-05-24T16:33:00Z")
> [@foff667](#): > > I had a melee kill trade where we were both using the axe, I did the animation kill but he killed me with his axe after the animation…GET RID OF THE STUPID KILL TRADE THEY DO NOT WORK PROPERLY! @foff667 The removed melee kill trades in the next patch…just a few days away. ---
**Author:** ![foff667](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@foff667](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/foff667)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/108 "2017-05-24T16:35:00Z")
> [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > [@foff667](#): > > > > I had a melee kill trade where we were both using the axe, I did the animation kill but he killed me with his axe after the animation…GET RID OF THE STUPID KILL TRADE THEY DO NOT WORK PROPERLY! > > @foff667 > The removed melee kill trades in the next patch…just a few days away. Thank you for the heads up, I personally think they should remove it entirely and I think that over 50% of the user base would agree. ---
**Author:** ![APBT](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@APBT](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/APBT)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:39pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/109 "2017-05-24T16:39:00Z")
> [@x\_Undaunted\_x](#): > > > [@APBT](#): > > > > The problem is it impedes on the guys that really are good and that is my concern. > > > > Also you got to ask yourself how much does aim assist fit into this feature. It also handicaps everybody. > > In fact aim assist shouldn’t be a factor. > > Fair is fair, but this feature is not. I can live with it. But if I kill a guy too, when he killed me first, I should get an asterisk beside that kill in the stats colum. > > If you were really that “good” you wouldn’t be kill trading to begin with except in times where latency is effecting you. Kill trading isn’t the problem, your ego is. Most be miserable always having a defeatist attitude. You can do it Bobby. It won’t kill ya to man up and get the kills you deserve! The game is easy enough, I’m guessing at this point, it would take radiation to get this through your thick skull. Agree to disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rev0verDrive)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/110 "2017-05-24T16:41:00Z")
> [@foff667](#): > > > [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > > > [@foff667](#): > > > > > > I had a melee kill trade where we were both using the axe, I did the animation kill but he killed me with his axe after the animation…GET RID OF THE STUPID KILL TRADE THEY DO NOT WORK PROPERLY! > > > > @foff667 > > The removed melee kill trades in the next patch…just a few days away. > > Thank you for the heads up, I personally think they should remove it entirely and I think that over 50% of the user base would agree. Out of curiosity what’s your avg latency? ---
**Author:** ![x\_Undaunted\_x](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/x_undaunted_x/32/104094_2.png) [@x\_Undaunted\_x](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/x_Undaunted_x)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:45pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/111 "2017-05-24T16:45:00Z")
> [@APBT](#): > > > [@x\_Undaunted\_x](#): > > > > > [@APBT](#): > > > > > > The problem is it impedes on the guys that really are good and that is my concern. > > > > > > Also you got to ask yourself how much does aim assist fit into this feature. It also handicaps everybody. > > > In fact aim assist shouldn’t be a factor. > > > Fair is fair, but this feature is not. I can live with it. But if I kill a guy too, when he killed me first, I should get an asterisk beside that kill in the stats colum. > > > > If you were really that “good” you wouldn’t be kill trading to begin with except in times where latency is effecting you. Kill trading isn’t the problem, your ego is. > > Most be miserable always having a defeatist attitude. You can do it Bobby. It won’t kill ya to man up and get the kills you deserve! > > The game is easy enough, I’m guessing at this point, it would take radiation to get this through your thick skull. > > Agree to disagree. Funny, you talk about “manning up” when you can’t even answer a simple yes or no question. Pot, meet kettle. It must be miserable thinking you’re more skilled than you really are. I bet you’re that voice in the chat screaming at your monitor every time you die, calling every death BS and everyone who beats you is an AA scrub. Maybe someday you’ll come back to planet earth. Denial - it’s not just a river. ---
**Author:** ![GRIZZ11283](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/grizz11283/32/102128_2.png) [@GRIZZ11283](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GRIZZ11283)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/112 "2017-05-24T16:48:00Z")
> [@foff667](#): > > > [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > > > [@foff667](#): > > > > > > I had a melee kill trade where we were both using the axe, I did the animation kill but he killed me with his axe after the animation…GET RID OF THE STUPID KILL TRADE THEY DO NOT WORK PROPERLY! > > > > @foff667 > > The removed melee kill trades in the next patch…just a few days away. > > Thank you for the heads up, I personally think they should remove it entirely and I think that over 50% of the user base would agree. I think it wouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rev0verDrive)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/113 "2017-05-24T16:49:00Z")
> [@x\_Undaunted\_x](#): > > > [@APBT](#): > > > > > [@x\_Undaunted\_x](#): > > > > > > > [@APBT](#): > > > > > > > > The problem is it impedes on the guys that really are good and that is my concern. > > > > > > > > Also you got to ask yourself how much does aim assist fit into this feature. It also handicaps everybody. > > > > In fact aim assist shouldn’t be a factor. > > > > Fair is fair, but this feature is not. I can live with it. But if I kill a guy too, when he killed me first, I should get an asterisk beside that kill in the stats colum. > > > > > > If you were really that “good” you wouldn’t be kill trading to begin with except in times where latency is effecting you. Kill trading isn’t the problem, your ego is. > > > > Most be miserable always having a defeatist attitude. You can do it Bobby. It won’t kill ya to man up and get the kills you deserve! > > > > The game is easy enough, I’m guessing at this point, it would take radiation to get this through your thick skull. > > > > Agree to disagree. > > Funny, you talk about “manning up” when you can’t even answer a simple yes or no question. Pot, meet kettle. > > It must be miserable thinking you’re more skilled than you really are. I bet you’re that voice in the chat screaming at your monitor every time you die, calling every death BS and everyone who beats you is an AA scrub. Maybe someday you’ll come back to planet earth. > > Denial - it’s not just a river. hehehehehehehe [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miOWJ4rKb\_g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miOWJ4rKb_g) ---
**Author:** ![APBT](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@APBT](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/APBT)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/114 "2017-05-24T16:55:00Z")
> [@x\_Undaunted\_x](#): > > > [@APBT](#): > > > > The problem is it impedes on the guys that really are good and that is my concern. > > > > Also you got to ask yourself how much does aim assist fit into this feature. It also handicaps everybody. > > In fact aim assist shouldn’t be a factor. > > Fair is fair, but this feature is not. I can live with it. But if I kill a guy too, when he killed me first, I should get an asterisk beside that kill in the stats colum. > > If you were really that “good” you wouldn’t be kill trading to begin with except in times where latency is effecting you. Kill trading isn’t the problem, your ego is. I’m not the best or have claim to be, but > [@x\_Undaunted\_x](#): > > > [@APBT](#): > > > > > [@x\_Undaunted\_x](#): > > > > > > > [@APBT](#): > > > > > > > > The problem is it impedes on the guys that really are good and that is my concern. > > > > > > > > Also you got to ask yourself how much does aim assist fit into this feature. It also handicaps everybody. > > > > In fact aim assist shouldn’t be a factor. > > > > Fair is fair, but this feature is not. I can live with it. But if I kill a guy too, when he killed me first, I should get an asterisk beside that kill in the stats colum. > > > > > > If you were really that “good” you wouldn’t be kill trading to begin with except in times where latency is effecting you. Kill trading isn’t the problem, your ego is. > > > > Most be miserable always having a defeatist attitude. You can do it Bobby. It won’t kill ya to man up and get the kills you deserve! > > > > The game is easy enough, I’m guessing at this point, it would take radiation to get this through your thick skull. > > > > Agree to disagree. > > Funny, you talk about “manning up” when you can’t even answer a simple yes or no question. Pot, meet kettle. > > It must be miserable thinking you’re more skilled than you really are. I bet you’re that voice in the chat screaming at your monitor every time you die, calling every death BS and everyone who beats you is an AA scrub. Maybe someday you’ll come back to planet earth. > > Denial - it’s not just a river. Nah man I’m a quite player and I don’t really get into stats on furums (other than flags captured or denied). I don’t know, may have to rent a server to see if makes me happy again ---
**Author:** ![Buick72](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/buick72/32/101429_2.png) [@Buick72](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Buick72)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/115 "2017-05-24T17:02:00Z")
I’m fine with the kill trades. I get why people hate it, but at least I know my shot is landing and I am taking the guy with me. I’d much rather have that than my bullet vanishing in mid air before it hits the guy in the head. ---
**Author:** ![disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@disposalist](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/disposalist)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/116 "2017-05-24T17:15:00Z")
> [@foff667](#): > > > [@aseveredfoot](#): > > > > > [@Dogwoggle11](#): > > > > > > > [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Dogwoggle11](#): > > > > > > > > > > Oh boy, I’m going to be so pissed if they finally decide to remove kill trades under 30m. > > > > > > > > it’s for melee only. > > > > > > Melee has killtrades too? I haven’t seen that. > > > > > > I guess I don’t have to be pissed then. All good news. > > > > I had a killtrade with someone killed me with a 1903 sniper and I killed him with a club :lol: > > > > > [@Dogwoggle11](#): > > > > > > > [@aseveredfoot](#): > > > > > > > > I’m not going to take his side, because personally I think a game that rewards anyone with the kill simply for shooting first is more “snowflake” than anything… > > > > > > > > But I did end up switching to faster TTK weapons from some of my old faves to purely to start trying to avert tradekills. I have no problem with them and think they’re a good addition, but it can be a buzzkill when you’re trying to push an objective, get a trade, and then either hope a medic revives you or just have to wait for a respawn. > > > > > > > > So I think he was suggesting that it’s going to end up that people will just use the weapons that kill fastest and the variety of loadouts will suffer more than it already does. But I don’t think removing killtrades is the answer. > > > > > > People will continue to use Sweeper, Hellriegel, MG15/BAR and SMLE/MH. > > > > > > Everything will be (and it is) the same. > > > > Of course. And where I personally didn’t before, now I have to as well, which was my point. Where I used to have really good rounds with Lewis Guns and Benet Mercies I now have to use MG15/BAR/Chauchat now too, since those with longer TTKs get tradekilled a lot now. I don’t stoop to using the sweeper SL though, I stick with Trench or Factory depending on whether or not it’s HC or core. > > I had a melee kill trade where we were both using the axe, I did the animation kill but he killed me with his axe after the animation…GET RID OF THE STUPID KILL TRADE THEY DO NOT WORK PROPERLY! Aside from your example which was almost certainly complicated by server syncing and animation times, melee kill trades make even more sense than bullet kills trades. If someone puts a hatchet through my collarbone I might well have several seconds life in me and am well placed to put my axe into his neck. Also, you might want to lay off the caps. Doesn’t really indicate a reasoned and deliberate comment to take seriously. ---
**Author:** ![x\_Undaunted\_x](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/x_undaunted_x/32/104094_2.png) [@x\_Undaunted\_x](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/x_Undaunted_x)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/117 "2017-05-24T17:31:00Z")
> [@APBT](#): > > > [@x\_Undaunted\_x](#): > > > > If you were really that “good” you wouldn’t be kill trading to begin with except in times where latency is effecting you. Kill trading isn’t the problem, your ego is. > > I’m not the best or have claim to be, but I never said you were the best or claimed to be either. Please learn to read. ---
**Author:** ![APBT](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@APBT](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/APBT)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/118 "2017-05-24T17:54:00Z")
> [@x\_Undaunted\_x](#): > > > [@APBT](#): > > > > > [@x\_Undaunted\_x](#): > > > > > > If you were really that “good” you wouldn’t be kill trading to begin with except in times where latency is effecting you. Kill trading isn’t the problem, your ego is. > > > > I’m not the best or have claim to be, but > > I never said you were the best or claimed to be either. Please learn to read. The irony. ---
**Author:** ![foff667](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@foff667](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/foff667)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/119 "2017-05-24T18:52:00Z")
> [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > [@foff667](#): > > > > > [@Rev0verDrive](#): > > > > > > > [@foff667](#): > > > > > > > > I had a melee kill trade where we were both using the axe, I did the animation kill but he killed me with his axe after the animation…GET RID OF THE STUPID KILL TRADE THEY DO NOT WORK PROPERLY! > > > > > > @foff667 > > > The removed melee kill trades in the next patch…just a few days away. > > > > Thank you for the heads up, I personally think they should remove it entirely and I think that over 50% of the user base would agree. > > Out of curiosity what’s your avg latency? 35-38-PS4 eastern US ---
**Author:** ![foff667](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@foff667](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/foff667)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 6:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119/120 "2017-05-24T18:56:00Z")
> [@Buick72](#): > > I’m fine with the kill trades. I get why people hate it, but at least I know my shot is landing and I am taking the guy with me. I’d much rather have that than my bullet vanishing in mid air before it hits the guy in the head. here’s the thing, it depends on how you look at it, if you didn’t react fast enough and they got the jump on you yeah of course you want that kill and vice versa if they got the jump on you and then one last bullet came out and killed them they’re pissed that they died even though they out reacted you. Dice went back & forth with kill trades in BF4 for a while and eventually settled to NOT have them in the game, play bf4 it simply doesn’t happen, IMO THIS is the way it should be. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119.md?page=5) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/the-kill-trade-is-out-of-control-ruined-the-game/259119.md?page=7)