Yep absolutely atrocious!
Even after 3 pages of this thread we still haven’t seen any proof of hackers on console.
I suggest you read the terms of service for your platform. PSN specifically states using modified hardware or peripherals is a lifetime ban on your account. I’ll try and find the specific part and add it into this comment.
You may not use, make, or distribute unauthorized software or hardware, including Non-Licensed Peripherals and cheat code software or devices that circumvent any security features or limitations included on any software or devices, in conjunction with PSN Services, or take or use any data from PSN Services to design, develop or update unauthorized software or hardware.
To me is cheating…
It’s definitely cheating. BFV input controls just don’t allow the device to be used to its fullest capabilities. I don’t see the gray area. You are delegating a task to a script, whether you could do the same thing yourself given the right peripherals is irrelevant. Mouse/keyboard, Driving wheel, gas pedal, they help you be more effective, but you are still doing the task yourself.
Yeah, you’re right, it is cheating indeed! I mean, if I could get less recoil using recon SLRs like the ZH-29 or selbst 1906 by using it, then I would slaughter everything too…
If cheating was ”impossible on console”, then why is there a report cheater option… Of course cheating exist on console BFV as well, I see that now…
The only argument I hear for cronusmax is “I don’t need it so it’s ok.” Even moderators do the unthinkable and add their opinions without consulting Dice or EA, totally irresponsible. It’s cheating to mod the game in your favor in any way (especially those poop stack kb/m console players, you know who you are!)
Would you want to race against someone with a better car? It’s naturally unfair and very unsportsmanlike. Slight advantage is atill an advantage.
Just because you don’t think it effects you (definition of privilege) doesn’t mean it’s not a problem, it just means you don’t care. No one wants to hear the garbage logic “if you can’t beat em…”
Though I could tell you what helps Dice and EA decide: Does it make us money?
I thought of a better any to put it:
The developers (arguably) balanced the guns to be a certain way. Now people are making great guns better and further requiring another gun balance from Dice.
Is that what you people want, crappier guns?
The problem is that there a re legitimate reasons to use certain peripherals on consoles. Ever tried typing anything with a controller? It is the same as on PC, yeah semi-auto macro is not a good thing, but a chat macro or using Teamspeak, or even using certain input devices like a gaming mouse and keyboard are obviously reasonable things to do. That is true for both consoles and PC. It is also not really a relevant issue, people might use this, yes, but like on PC the amount is marginal, and maybe that sort of stuff is even detectable, although I doubt it.
Those adapters also add input lag into the equation which can be very hurtful in a first person shooter especially one with a lower ttk. I seen alot of negative reviews on chronusmax complaining about around a 1 sec lag which would really take away any advantage it gives.
By the same logic a thirty year old could justify using a modified controller or whatever to make him competitive with fifteen year olds–where does this end? My eyesight isn’t so good, I have a legitimate need to use a spotting hack, you know, to be competitive with those with sharper eyesight.
Anything that does things for a player in-game that he couldn’t do himself, is a cheat. I can get a better monitor or a better mouse, but I still have to aim and fire myself, that hardware can’t do it for me. If it can do it for me, e.g. shoot faster than I can without recoil penalties, then it’s a cheat.
While OP used the word “cheat”, it wasn’t primarily a discussion whether modded controllers are to be considered cheats. According to OP:
Now, regardless of what you think of modded controllers or mouse & keyboard, or whatever else, the aimbots and the wallhacks are a completely different thing. And without video, it’s very hard to determine what happened. Did the character model stick through the wall, so it could be shot from the other side? We don’t know. We don’t even know what weapon they were using, was it a bolt action rifle, and they headshot everyone? Were they using flares, to 2D and 3D spot everyone? The built in wall hack, so to speak? Or was it some other weapon?
What we do know, is that hacking is still not possible on consoles. Regardless of what you consider “cheats”.
Don’t get me wrong, hacking/cheating is bad, and I don’t get why people do it, but there’s a difference between using a macro which just allows you to consistently have your weapon performing at max ability, anti recoil type stuff which gives you an advantage in terms of gunplay which cannot be attained theprough normal gameplay, and proper hack mods like the wall hacking programs which show every player’s location, aimbot, etc. Macros may be usable on consoles, I’m fairly sure you can get controllers which have built in macros, but actual hack mods are unusable on console to anyone’s knowledge, so unless someone has managed to get around the measures in place it’s not possible that this was a mod.
Well, they can’t prevent it, in that it does have aspects too it, that are not about cheating. Like i said, i have it to use my 360 controller on my PS4 on sp games. It’s really an amazing device. So, Cronus may not advocate the cheating, but is also used for that purpose.
The OP’s post was about cheating on consoles. Many are saying, if it’s not hacking, it’s not cheating, and so a device like this could be used.
In so the OP could come here, when i go 50/5, after constantly killing him, claiming i’m cheating, when apparently, my rapid fire, auto spot, and semi auto bolt action isn’t cheating.
So, before folks claim it’s not cheating, i think we need much more clarification from EA/ DICE before we claim it’s not, and not listen to those folks who may not know what they’re talking about from PC Land.
You spend the time making a post about someone cheating, but the only thing you have recorded is a scoreboard picture with a kill to death ratio? I would save your time, The only cheat that was going around on consoles was some ESP radar thing for PUBG Xbox (and that’s not even on the system). It would be very odd for someone to spend their time on a low community game like Battlefield 5, when they could be playing other titles currently on the market.
It just doesn’t add up that this person is cheating. Could it just be they’re better, or have better hardware than you? Monitor, Xbox One X with an SSD, Pro Controller, Wired Net, Faster latency to server, Better hand and eye coordination dexterity?
I can’t see any stats from your profile worth looking up to know if you’re on just a lower level or the player is. Calling someone a cheater on Xbox One is very rare, it’s not like this is Xbox 360 and people in Halo are using scripts. It’s a very closed system that has held up for 6 years. For someone to get past it all of Microsoft Xbox, and to play one of the worst titles i call bull.
If this was PC, i would agree in seconds, but consoles are a very different story in this day and age. I would just ask the person who beat you so you could learn from them, and get better.
I got killed quite a few times by a guy who was stuck behind a wall at C on Aerodrome.
I am pretty sure it was intentional because he ended up there quite a few times during the course of the match. He was in the outer wall on the upper walkway inside the hangar. Just his gun barrel was showing through the wall. He could kill me but I could not kill him with bullets, I had to PIAT him and kill him with the spash-damage.
I think people can get into the wall on that map, but it is not intentional on DICE’s part. I think it is an exploit.
You can buy modified console controllers with built-in cheat macros, they aren’t underground products either, they’re sold by major retailers. Cheats on current generation consoles might not be anything like the hacks on PC, but that isn’t to say there is no cheating on consoles.
The OP is saying there are cheaters. There ARE cheaters on consoles…no question at all, and i mentioned some.
Didnt report him! Took a screenshot so I have his name at least, and can report him whenever I want (maybe I will do)… But I was more in shock over it happening, I didnt believe my eyes lol…
Its possible, I have no idea how he did it, but he was cheating for sure!
I never come across any cheater on Xbox playing BF4, BF1 and BFV until, as I said, the 2 recent days! Last night I’m 100% convinced he was cheating!
So maybe some new way of cheating on BFV in Xbox become available the recent week or something, I dunno how these hackers work and how they do things, so you know more then me I guess!
That is a good point indeed!
Well, in my own case 1st cheater I encountered, I tried to record a clip, but my Xbox is a bit messy and many times when I try record, it dont…
The 2nd time I wasnt convinced he was cheating until 3/4 in the round. You allways try to go for different explanations then to scream ”cheater” every time you die in a weird way! And I guess I was so shocked by realizing he actually was hacking, on CONSOLE even, that I forgot to even try record a clip of this…
I wish I did tho…
But to those who say it is impossible to cheat on console, if this was the case, why do you have the option to even ”report” someone for cheating in the first place then!? Seem rather strange if it is IMPOSSIBLE!?
Well, I never believed cheating was possible on console either, but apperently it is now… People here make it sound like hacking on console is harder then hacking into a countrys government servers, and the latter has been done many times, its ridicilous to think it is impossible, I know that now…