This game is a sinking ship. The deluxe content is utterly embarrassing.

NoQuart3r · January 29, 2019, 6:57pm

Ah the world in accordance to Mr Facts:

“Guessing not a single coder/developer plays this game.” WRONG GUESS
“First game of the patch, spawn beacons invisible lol. what a cluster DICE is, game clip to prove how inept they are.” THIS REALLY IS THE END OF THE WORLD..
“You cant find a post that i directed anything negative toward another either. you are lonesome. stick to the topic or dont post, its a ToS requirement.”
WHATS THIS THEN?:
“Its funny you even misquoted me to fit your diaper, enjoy the forums.”
“its the reason BF 1 died pretty quickly compared to previous titles and why BF 5 has done worse than it in retaining players.” NEWFLASH, BF1 IS APPARENTLY DEAD?
“the evidence is clear for me to make an assumption, i dont need official data or “sales” numbers” CLASSIC, JUST A CLASSIC.
“the current population is less than the current (and still playing) bf4 populations” PROOF?
“I hope they are forced to find new jobs as EA will eventually toss them out once sales continue to slip, and they will.” KEEPING IT CLASSY AS ALWAYS.

Unfortunately for you your extreme, emotionally charged meandering “thoughts” are so easy to counter that I just cannot resist it. You really do seem to have a very blunt axe to grind against the developers and anyone who offers a counter view to these utterly one sided pearls of wisdom. Cya later again bud. I am off to actually play the game but look forward to reading your responses tomorrow.

Khronikos · January 29, 2019, 8:53pm

IDK the patch notes look okay. My main problem is forever going to be maps. I just cannot see myself playing a game where you get one map every 4 months or whatever. They did this with Uncharted and I hated it too. And then half the time the one new map comes and you don’t even like it. Tough. Another 4 or 5 months to hit at something else lol.

I bet Greece will be pretty, but if it is literally only one map or two at most I just have no idea how you keep numbers up for this game. At least in COD there is the cool HQ and tons of prestige stuff along with all the maps love them or hate them. Gun games get boring to me, and the only thing that keeps me going past 100h is maps. It is what it is.

I guess check back in 3 or 4 months. Haven’t even started this Tides second chapter. Not sure I want to. I looked at all the gear and mostly I just don’t care about it. This game doesn’t really send me in a fit to collect anything. The skins in COD are cooler. The Skins in BF1 are cooler. I still miss Cavalry.

CHAMMOND1992 · January 29, 2019, 10:31pm

Khronikos:

IDK the patch notes look okay. My main problem is forever going to be maps. I just cannot see myself playing a game where you get one map every 4 months or whatever. They did this with Uncharted and I hated it too. And then half the time the one new map comes and you don’t even like it. Tough. Another 4 or 5 months to hit at something else lol.

I bet Greece will be pretty, but if it is literally only one map or two at most I just have no idea how you keep numbers up for this game. At least in COD there is the cool HQ and tons of prestige stuff along with all the maps love them or hate them. Gun games get boring to me, and the only thing that keeps me going past 100h is maps. It is what it is.

I guess check back in 3 or 4 months. Haven’t even started this Tides second chapter. Not sure I want to. I looked at all the gear and mostly I just don’t care about it. This game doesn’t really send me in a fit to collect anything. The skins in COD are cooler. The Skins in BF1 are cooler. I still miss Cavalry.

You seriously need a diary.

Khronikos · January 30, 2019, 8:54am

Explicitly, this thread remains because EA is a bad company. It’s that simple. When they do this to customers they deserve everything they get. Try completing a game once.

PrezMtDewCamacho · January 30, 2019, 7:41pm

Bf3 so much better. Thank god it’s on XBone, which seeems to solve a long of lag/feeezing/hit marker/shading and texture issues, and that there are 3 servers running the later map packs, which I’ve hardly played comparatively.

If all I cared about was graphics and not gameplay #1, I would just go outside and play with guns. Lol BF1 and 5. Only a new, true to the core Bad Company can save the Franchise now.

NoQuart3r · January 30, 2019, 8:23pm

Yeah love BF3. Just out of interest how populated is it on Xbone which I gather is running the old 360 version?

munkt0r · January 30, 2019, 8:37pm

Khronikos:

Loqtrall:

Khronikos:

It is definitely NOT the same market of players. They might be targeting the same market, but the markets are completely different overall. It’s obvious as the day BF just can’t sustain COD numbers, and it is for very good reason. BF games are in general too long, and COD is simply a more arcadey upgrade fest.

BF definitely slants more toward realism, even though it is not a sim. BF1 was more a sim than BFV clearly. Anyway, the idea that you just classify these as arcade shooters is a redundant and inane idea. Arcade shooters don’t even exist. Arcades barely exist. It’s a completely obscure genre you are trying to pin to these games. And COD fits that outdated line a lot more than BF ever will.

Objectively, COD’s main modes take much less time to complete than most BF modes, they have faster TTK and arena-like atmosphere, and score streaks will always heavily define the game along with some absurdly small maps.

BF has more accurate weapon details, realistic maps, tanks, airplanes, et cetera. It definitely seeks the sim side of warfare a lot more than COD. This is not even arguable so don’t waste your time. You are trying to convince people that COD and BF are the same shooter, when in reality the people buying the games are buying them for entirely different reasons because they are… wait for it… different games with different concepts at play that do not neatly just fit into arcade shooter lol.

Arcade shooters usually refer to shumps. You can honestly stop using that term, because nobody uses that term for the genre of shooters on the market. They are called FPS games. COD is an arena shooter for the most part. Arcades almost never had games like this, and if they did they were like COD.

Describing it as arcadey is entirely up to you to decide. BF has a lot more sim details: longer games with tons of players, realistic weapon details and maps beyond most other games, warfare that depends on team tactical behavior not in an arena atmosphere for the most part, et cetera.

COD is a lot more arcadey as you say, so stop trying to pin these games into one hole. The COD crowd clearly buys COD for different reasons than BF because wait for it… they are different games with different concepts at play that make the games feel entirely opposed to each other in various ways.

Of course the act of shooting a gun and upgrading something is similar. That is NOT enough to justify the nominal value of arcade shooter lol.

I just combined your responses because you pointlessly made two of them.

Lol so what, you think there aren’t thousands upon thousands of people who play both CoD and BF? If not, you should know you’re talking to one of them.

The games appeal to the same type of gamer - shooter fans, speficially casual shooter fans. I know countless people who play both franchises regularly. Hell, I just had a friend whom I met on these forums ask me if I wanted to play Blackout last night. The fact BF doesn’t maintain “CoD numbers” means absolutely nothing in that context.

Lmao, and BF does not slant more toward realism at all. There is almost zero realism in BF games, since the dawn of the franchise. Are we going to go through the entire discussion about the differences between realism and authenticity?

As a huge fan of milsims who sunk hundreds of hours into games like Arma, Red Orchestra, project reality, etc - BF can not be any further from a Sim. It is as far as it can possibly be from representing realistic Warfare and small arms combat.

LMMFAO did you just insist bf1 was even remotely like a Sim? That is probably one of THE least realistic and Sim-like BF games ever released. It is through and through unrealistic and inaccurate.

Sorry, bucko, but the size of maps, presence of vehicles, and the length of matches does not dictate whether or not something is a military simulator. BF is still a ridiculously unrealistic game, inaccurate to the realities of Warfare regardless of the setting being used, that has ridiculously arcadey features like a glaring hud with 3d spotting, minimap, squad list, death icons, etc. They have vehicles with 3rd person cameras, self repair mechanics for tanks, automatic health regeneration, a near instantaneous revive system nearly no matter which way you died, flares that spot people on the map and in 3d space TROUGH WALLS, rifles that do a maximum like 60-70 damage, the ability to jump out of a jet and hop back into it in mid air, guns with insanely low recoil, some BF games started soldiers with over 300 rounds in reserve ammo for a friggin smg with 20 round magazines, they have gadgets like the UAV, eod bot, etc being used in large firefights, they have C4 that can blow up a damn Abrams with just 3 bricks.

The list goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on. I can essentially sit here ALL DAY listing the ridiciously unrealistic and inaccurate features of every BF game into the longest post in the history of the BF forums. Your sentiment that it’s “unarguable” is absolute bologna.

Secondly, I’m DEFINITELY not trying to convince anyone that CoD and BF are the same game. I’m stating that they’re both unrealistic arcade shooters that appeal to the same audience. I’m stating that BF is not in the market that appeals to tactical shooter or milsim fans, it’s in the market that appeals to arcadey, unrealistic shooter fans.

Lastly, you seem to not be the authority to talk to on things that did or did not happen. We just had an entire page of people disproving your claim that called in airstrikes have never been a thing in BF.

So I’m not going to sit here and take you seriously when you claim NOBODY uses the term “arcade shooters” to describe many fps games. Because that’s absolute BS. You can look the term up and see just how many people actually DO use that term.

So just as your lack of experience with past BF games does not negate the fact they DID have called in missile strikes before CoD, your lack of experience with people using “arcade shooter” to describe various fps games does not negate the fact it is, indeed, a used term.

“Shooter” is the overall genre of game, but you can’t sit there an act like subgenres don’t exist. There are Sims, tactical shooters, arcade shooters, arena shooters, shooting gallery, shoot-em-up, the list goes on and on. Sorry, but cramming every fps game into one genre is like cramming every type of rock or metal music into one genre and called it “loud music”.

Lol, and CoD is not an arena shooter. Unreal Tournament, Quake, Doom, etc, THOSE are arena shooters. CoD is absolutely nothing like those games. You look up arena shooter and CoD is nowhere to be found. That’s outside the fact that many CoD games have had plenty of larger, sprawling maps, and Cod 3 and ww2 even have game modes with insanely large maps (for CoD) AND VEHICLES. The first CoD game on PC had pretty damn large maps.

Lmao, and now BF gameplay has a “dependence on team tactical behavior”? That’s strange considering I and most people who play BF do so solo and don’t work as a team at all, so much so that it’s incessantly complained about on these forums. So much so that people advocate for changes that ENFORCE teamwork and a competitive environment.

Your views on Sim games are weak. Have you ever even played one, or are you just blindly sitting here insisting BF is something it absolutely isn’t? Sorry, but I played the hell out of Project Reality, which was a total conversion mod that turned BF2 and all its assets into a legitimate milsim, and the two games aren’t even comparable. Nearly every facet of BF2 had to be changed to accommodate the milsim style and setting of Project Reality. Why? Because BF2 was an arcadey, unrealistic game. No other BF game is different.

I am sorry to tell you but no one is reading all that. I said it is much more in line with simulation when it comes to gun details, maps, et cetera. Way more than COD. This is not arguable. For open warfare the BF4-BFV games look amazingly realistic in a lot of scenarios with graphics and sound, hence the idea that yes they have sim elements. So does COD, but only a bit in the visual design for the most part. It doesn’t recreate maps in painstaking detail like BF does. And neither do some of the games you mentioned measure up the sim elements in graphics and sound that BF has either.

I read it, but arguably i’m a noone.

DARTH_JAR_JAR222 · January 31, 2019, 12:50am

BaronVonGoon · January 31, 2019, 12:54am

I watched grass grow.

Marine_IraHayes2 · January 31, 2019, 1:03am

Footsteps are more important than black and infinite loading screens.
Kinda disheartening.
I can’t justify trying to talk my old clan from BF1943 into buying the game. I feel like they would be upset at me.

Holyshogun · January 31, 2019, 2:47am

Deluxe is garbage.

Game is $30, encouraging cheaters to just buy another one if their acc gets banned. Low risk - cheap replacement.

Rip game

1984rage · January 31, 2019, 9:50am

I have pretty much shelfed the game since they touched the TTK settings the first time. After that change I didn’t play for a week. I played on and off a while when they changed it back. I did play the campaign which I think is worth playing, if you can disconnect yourself from DICE version of racism in Tirailleur. DICE take on White men in the Under No Flag , The protagonist petty criminal who was more or less forced to fight. The EVIL ¯_(ツ)_/¯-fanatic in The Last Tiger mission was just over the top and not believable for a german tank crew to act like that.

The Nordlys mission was a amazing looking, and really cool seeing Norway like that. Unfortunately it also was tainted by DICE. With 2 women or rather one teenage girl that you play as. Whereas you defeated a gross number of german soldiers. Just not buying it, but it looks great.

I wish I had more of what was in the intro misson. Where you play on Twisted Steel and there is Sherman tanks and its mayham. After that mission its downhill my friends.

I hope it will get better because I love the series deep down.

Khronikos · January 31, 2019, 11:15am

Yeah people jumping over to another EA product lol. LOL.

OP_Glitchmobile · January 31, 2019, 9:14pm

I’ll be jumping OVER everything EA spams out, while taking a poop midair.

Khronikos · January 31, 2019, 11:08pm

LOL I am jumping on your boat but staying on the high-deck.

Khronikos · February 1, 2019, 12:01am

Redstripe101:

1984rage:

I have pretty much shelfed the game since they touched the TTK settings the first time. After that change I didn’t play for a week. I played on and off a while when they changed it back. I did play the campaign which I think is worth playing, if you can disconnect yourself from DICE version of racism in Tirailleur. DICE take on White men in the Under No Flag , The protagonist petty criminal who was more or less forced to fight. The EVIL -fanatic in The Last Tiger mission was just over the top and not believable for a german tank crew to act like that.

The Nordlys mission was a amazing looking, and really cool seeing Norway like that. Unfortunately it also was tainted by DICE. With 2 women or rather one teenage girl that you play as. Whereas you defeated a gross number of german soldiers. Just not buying it, but it looks great.

I wish I had more of what was in the intro misson. Where you play on Twisted Steel and there is Sherman tanks and its mayham. After that mission its downhill my friends.

I hope it will get better because I love the series deep down.

whats confusing is how off they were. they addressed TTK not because they saw an issue, but because they saw a mass exodus of players leaving the game and not returning. Little did they know that TTK wasnt reason why the 2nd most bought game is behind 15 others that sold less but is played more. Just look at their stocks around release month. This is big money that cares nothing about balance, and even they saw enough to warrant caution. Poor development and a horrible launch, its what they literally worked for and they got it. Congrats DICE, you nailed it.

I hate to say it but the truth hurts here. Dice has either lost a lot of talent and/or they just don’t get enough time for these games.

I knew right when they started pushing BFV it was too soon. I distinctly remember in BF1 I was like what the hell already next year… I can’t keep up. COD would literally lose me because of how often they release those games, or on the other end I just buy their games when they have gone through the ringer, like WW2, when they are cheaper. I see little point in paying full price year after year when the games are sometimes half-baked like this.

BaronVonGoon · February 1, 2019, 4:10am

I think @TEKNOCODE owns the trademark to the term but yes this thread is indeed a cesspool of cryharding.

suffice_ls · February 1, 2019, 8:54am

Can’t remember where I read it but yeah, a fair few Dice members have left – Including Mr Right-side-of-history

ackers75 · February 1, 2019, 9:00am

pretty poor state of affairs when indy devs can release games of much higher quality than the “AAA” dev counterparts.
And i use the term “AAA” in regards to this game very very loosely!

ProAssassin2003 · February 1, 2019, 10:24am

Still to this day I haven’t a clue what I got for Deluxe.