# This sums it up..., **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 25, 2019, 1:47am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781 "2019-03-25T01:47:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TropicPoison](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tropicpoison/32/103892_2.png) [@TropicPoison](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TropicPoison)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 10:19am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/21 "2019-03-25T10:19:00Z")
> [@Mann68heim](#): > > > [@TEKNOCODE](#): > > > > Treated like crap in a video games? > > Come on, mate. It’s a video game. > > I played for a couple of hours today. Zero issues. Had fun. Stopped to cook dinner. Jumped on for two more rounds while my wife worked for a bit. Still had fun. > > Could we use a couple of additional maps? Sure. But, treating you like crap? Come on. > > Same here. I can switch the game on and off as i like. It has, unlike other games, respect for my real life. > > Getting treated like crap from a Dev company? Pffff…ridiculous > What people (customers actually) don’t understand is: if you want to make a change \> don’t buy. > I skipped several BF title just because i wanted to set an example since i didn’t agree with some of the decisions made in the past. > I was unsatisfied, so i made a decision for myself. > > I hate Nestle, so i don’t buy their products. > It’s that simple. > > Peoples’ wallets have a lot power, the problem is they can’t practice renunciation!! Hey just curious but why do you hate Nestle? That was pretty random. ---
**Author:** ![GrinddalDDG](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/grinddalddg/32/102127_2.png) [@GrinddalDDG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GrinddalDDG)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 10:39am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/22 "2019-03-25T10:39:00Z")
> [@aRrAyStArTaT0](#): > > > [@Astr0damus](#): > > > > > [@Halcyon\_Creed\_N7](#): > > > > > > I’ve said this before over the years, it seems like DICE’s motto is “One step forward, two steps back.” > > > > # ![masculinity.jpg](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/b/f/bffb444be876f08b635a3b94660125bd30abd55a.jpeg) > > > > ^The above is an attempt to help you understand why you feel frustrated with DICE’s “progress”. > > Not too much, not too noticeable, everything in moderation. > > It’s not about culture lol. It’s never been about culture. What does Masculinity have to do with how DICE is being run? You’ve been spamming this and things like this around the forums all day today. Please stop. He is quoting anthropologist Hoffstede. His culture scales have several different vectors, incl. Masculin vs feminine socities, which has nothing to do with being masculine or feminine. ---
**Author:** ![GrinddalDDG](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/grinddalddg/32/102127_2.png) [@GrinddalDDG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GrinddalDDG)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 10:43am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/23 "2019-03-25T10:43:00Z")
His exact quote is a good example of why DICE are so hell bent on virtue signalling aswell as putting politics into their games. Japan, a country that is on the masculine side, would never put virtue signalling into their games, or make political statements about their consumers, no they jyst want your money. Masculine societies tend to be highly capitalistic. ---
**Author:** ![barnesalmighty2](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/barnesalmighty2/32/101292_2.png) [@barnesalmighty2](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/barnesalmighty2)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 10:53am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/24 "2019-03-25T10:53:00Z")
> [@TropicPoison](#): > > > [@Mann68heim](#): > > > > > [@TEKNOCODE](#): > > > > > > Treated like crap in a video games? > > > Come on, mate. It’s a video game. > > > I played for a couple of hours today. Zero issues. Had fun. Stopped to cook dinner. Jumped on for two more rounds while my wife worked for a bit. Still had fun. > > > Could we use a couple of additional maps? Sure. But, treating you like crap? Come on. > > > > Same here. I can switch the game on and off as i like. It has, unlike other games, respect for my real life. > > > > Getting treated like crap from a Dev company? Pffff…ridiculous > > What people (customers actually) don’t understand is: if you want to make a change \> don’t buy. > > I skipped several BF title just because i wanted to set an example since i didn’t agree with some of the decisions made in the past. > > I was unsatisfied, so i made a decision for myself. > > > > I hate Nestle, so i don’t buy their products. > > It’s that simple. > > > > Peoples’ wallets have a lot power, the problem is they can’t practice renunciation!! > > Hey just curious but why do you hate Nestle? That was pretty random. Nestle is terrible on so many levels lots of people hate them. ---
**Author:** ![TropicPoison](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tropicpoison/32/103892_2.png) [@TropicPoison](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TropicPoison)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 10:53am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/25 "2019-03-25T10:53:00Z")
> [@barnesalmighty2](#): > > > [@TropicPoison](#): > > > > > [@Mann68heim](#): > > > > > > > [@TEKNOCODE](#): > > > > > > > > Treated like crap in a video games? > > > > Come on, mate. It’s a video game. > > > > I played for a couple of hours today. Zero issues. Had fun. Stopped to cook dinner. Jumped on for two more rounds while my wife worked for a bit. Still had fun. > > > > Could we use a couple of additional maps? Sure. But, treating you like crap? Come on. > > > > > > Same here. I can switch the game on and off as i like. It has, unlike other games, respect for my real life. > > > > > > Getting treated like crap from a Dev company? Pffff…ridiculous > > > What people (customers actually) don’t understand is: if you want to make a change \> don’t buy. > > > I skipped several BF title just because i wanted to set an example since i didn’t agree with some of the decisions made in the past. > > > I was unsatisfied, so i made a decision for myself. > > > > > > I hate Nestle, so i don’t buy their products. > > > It’s that simple. > > > > > > Peoples’ wallets have a lot power, the problem is they can’t practice renunciation!! > > > > Hey just curious but why do you hate Nestle? That was pretty random. > > Nestle is terrible on so many levels lots of people hate them. Still my question goes unanswered, why though? Lol The only thing I like is nesquik from nestle. ---
**Author:** ![barnesalmighty2](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/barnesalmighty2/32/101292_2.png) [@barnesalmighty2](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/barnesalmighty2)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 10:58am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/26 "2019-03-25T10:58:00Z")
[https://www-zmescience-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.zmescience.com/science/nestle-company-pollution-children/amp/?amp\_js\_v=a2&\_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE=#referrer=https://www.google.com&\_tf=From %1$s&share=https://www.zmescience.com/science/nestle-company-pollution-children/](https://www-zmescience-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.zmescience.com/science/nestle-company-pollution-children/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zmescience.com%2Fscience%2Fnestle-company-pollution-children%2F) Stuff like opening paragraph here, if it works. ---
**Author:** ![TropicPoison](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tropicpoison/32/103892_2.png) [@TropicPoison](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TropicPoison)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 11:00am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/27 "2019-03-25T11:00:00Z")
> [@barnesalmighty2](#): > > [https://www-zmescience-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.zmescience.com/science/nestle-company-pollution-children/amp/?amp\_js\_v=a2&\_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE=#referrer=https://www.google.com&\_tf=From %1$s&share=https://www.zmescience.com/science/nestle-company-pollution-children/](https://www-zmescience-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.zmescience.com/science/nestle-company-pollution-children/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zmescience.com%2Fscience%2Fnestle-company-pollution-children%2F) > Stuff like opening paragraph here, if it works. Damn nestle is the devil of food companies apparently lol or they’re the EA of food. ---
**Author:** ![Tullzter](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tullzter/32/103905_2.png) [@Tullzter](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Tullzter)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 11:06am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/28 "2019-03-25T11:06:00Z")
GGG makes a lot of good points, my games post patch had more bugs than A Bug’s Life ---
**Author:** ![VIDSICIOUS](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/e5b9ba/32.png) [@VIDSICIOUS](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VIDSICIOUS)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 11:10am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/29 "2019-03-25T11:10:00Z")
> [@Astr0damus](#): > > If you don’t understand “lagom”, if you don’t understand “fika” and you don’t understand “Jante Law” then you can’t begin to understand the pace at which DICE moves. > Here I am providing actual facts and here you are responding with “lol”. > obvious troll is obvious. Well Sweden has a Socialist govt. I’m not surprised they apply the same principals to this game. They did remain neutral in the war. Fika time tack. ---
**Author:** ![Khronikos](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/khronikos/32/102498_2.png) [@Khronikos](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Khronikos)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 11:11am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/30 "2019-03-25T11:11:00Z")
I’ll try the Fire stuff out in a couple months when I possibly get some room. This game is a lost cause though. ---
**Author:** ![barnesalmighty2](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/barnesalmighty2/32/101292_2.png) [@barnesalmighty2](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/barnesalmighty2)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 11:12am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/31 "2019-03-25T11:12:00Z")
> [@TropicPoison](#): > > > [@barnesalmighty2](#): > > > > [https://www-zmescience-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.zmescience.com/science/nestle-company-pollution-children/amp/?amp\_js\_v=a2&\_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE=#referrer=https://www.google.com&\_tf=From %1$s&share=https://www.zmescience.com/science/nestle-company-pollution-children/](https://www-zmescience-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.zmescience.com/science/nestle-company-pollution-children/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zmescience.com%2Fscience%2Fnestle-company-pollution-children%2F) > > Stuff like opening paragraph here, if it works. > > Damn nestle is the devil of food companies apparently lol or they’re the EA of food. Yeah it’s pretty bad but I tried to avoid derailing thread with it. Anyway as with all my posts… GIVE US RUSH NEWS DICE. I NEED RUSH. ---
**Author:** ![TNA\_SneakyMonkey](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/54ee81/32.png) [@TNA\_SneakyMonkey](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TNA_SneakyMonkey)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 11:25am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/32 "2019-03-25T11:25:00Z")
From childishly uncritical use of anthrolpology, through the ethics of purchasing Nestlé products, to pre-teen understanding of the meaning of the word socialism, this thread has it _all_. ---
**Author:** ![GrinddalDDG](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/grinddalddg/32/102127_2.png) [@GrinddalDDG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GrinddalDDG)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 11:36am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/33 "2019-03-25T11:36:00Z")
> [@TNA\_SneakyMonkey](#): > > From childishly uncritical use of anthrolpology, through the ethics of purchasing Nestlé products, to pre-teen understanding of the meaning of the word socialism, this thread has it _all_. What was childish and uncritical about it? ---
**Author:** ![crabman169](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/crabman169/32/101567_2.png) [@crabman169](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/crabman169)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 11:49am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/34 "2019-03-25T11:49:00Z")
How about we leave comments for a YouTube video on the YouTube video. I’ve been rather absent from these forums and its still stupid and annoying when people post a video and just “blah this” This is a discussion forum; create a discussion. Use your own opinion or if you so want to link a video at least dot point the talking points. Jesus this thread is a mess ---
**Author:** ![GrinddalDDG](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/grinddalddg/32/102127_2.png) [@GrinddalDDG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GrinddalDDG)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 11:53am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/35 "2019-03-25T11:53:00Z")
> [@crabman169](#): > > How about we leave comments for a YouTube video on the YouTube video. > > I’ve been rather absent from these forums and its still stupid and annoying when people post a video and just “blah this” > > This is a discussion forum; create a discussion. Use your own opinion or if you so want to link a video at least dot point the talking points. > > Jesus this thread is a mess Then why oh why did you spend your time not only reading the thread, but also replying to it? There is this tendency of policing members who spend their time talking threads they do not like. This is a FORUM, a place for diversity and debate, not singlemindednes. Sure, I see threads I find stupid, but I do not read them, and I certainly do not post in them. Is this some modern self importance thing? ---
**Author:** ![TNA\_SneakyMonkey](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/54ee81/32.png) [@TNA\_SneakyMonkey](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TNA_SneakyMonkey)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 12:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/36 "2019-03-25T12:00:00Z")
Because it’s just assumed that it’s true, without any reference to the issues that have been raised regarding the [methodological issues baked in from the start](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0018726702551004) (I don’t have access from my home computer; YMMV). There are also significant differences between organisational cultures and national cultures (and therefore significant issues in moving between the two), _and_ _a priori_ conceptual problems, for instance the simple observation that national cultures aren’t monolithic _anyway_. The very _most_ one could suggest, with regard to DICE and its product, is a hypothesis informing a research question - that the national culture of DICE’s employees in their Swedish branch(es?) and the organisational culture of DICE SE contributed to the issues in Battlefield V. The data collection and analysis could be informed by Hofstede’s model, but since the model itself is questionable, it would probably be prudent to crtoss-analyse the data from different perspectives within the fields of project management, and possibly other frameworks in sociology. In other words, a far more fitting venue for the use of Hofstede would be a research project of appreciable scale - a master’s thesis at minimum. Perhaps it could be squeezed into a book chapter. Basically, the use of Hofstede on a game forum where people are complaining about delays and bugs is at best the authority fallacy, and at worst, utterly mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![TNA\_SneakyMonkey](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/54ee81/32.png) [@TNA\_SneakyMonkey](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TNA_SneakyMonkey)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 12:05pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/37 "2019-03-25T12:05:00Z")
@LOLGotYerTags - the forum ate my homework! よろしくお願いいたします。(tr: please!) ---
**Author:** ![GrinddalDDG](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/grinddalddg/32/102127_2.png) [@GrinddalDDG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GrinddalDDG)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 12:05pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/38 "2019-03-25T12:05:00Z")
> [@TNA\_SneakyMonkey](#): > > Because it’s just assumed that it’s true, without any reference to the issues that have been raised regarding the [methodological issues baked in from the start](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0018726702551004) (I don’t have access from my home computer; YMMV). There are also significant differences between organisational cultures and national cultures (and therefore significant issues in moving between the two), _and_ _a priori_ conceptual problems, for instance the simple observation that national cultures aren’t monolithic _anyway_. The very _most_ one could suggest, with regard to DICE and its product, is a hypothesis informing a research question - that the national culture of DICE’s employees in their Swedish branch(es?) and the organisational culture of DICE SE contributed to the issues in Battlefield V. > > The data collection and analysis could be informed by Hofstede’s model, but since the model itself is questionable, it would probably be prudent to crtoss-analyse the data from different perspectives within the fields of project management, and possibly other frameworks in sociology. > > In other words, a far more fitting venue for the use of Hofstede would be a research project of appreciable scale - a master’s thesis at minimum. Perhaps it could be squeezed into a book chapter. > > Basically, the use of Hofstede on a game forum where people are complaining about delays and bugs is at best the authority fallacy, and uncharitably put, downright foolish. Well first of all, I have two majors, one being in finances, the second in corporate communication and culture. So I am fully aware that my comment was lacking methodology, I was not aware this was a paper that needed handing in. It was a simplistic take og culture yes, but the point still stands, as corporate culture is indeed influenced by natuonap culture. Maybe if you had not been condescending, that would have been a start. ---
**Author:** ![GrinddalDDG](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/grinddalddg/32/102127_2.png) [@GrinddalDDG](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GrinddalDDG)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 12:06pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/39 "2019-03-25T12:06:00Z")
Btw I was not the one who posted the hoffstede model, I only explained what it was. ---
**Author:** ![TropicPoison](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tropicpoison/32/103892_2.png) [@TropicPoison](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TropicPoison)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 12:07pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781/40 "2019-03-25T12:07:00Z")
> [@GrinddalDDG](#): > > > [@TNA\_SneakyMonkey](#): > > > > Because it’s just assumed that it’s true, without any reference to the issues that have been raised regarding the [methodological issues baked in from the start](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0018726702551004) (I don’t have access from my home computer; YMMV). There are also significant differences between organisational cultures and national cultures (and therefore significant issues in moving between the two), _and_ _a priori_ conceptual problems, for instance the simple observation that national cultures aren’t monolithic _anyway_. The very _most_ one could suggest, with regard to DICE and its product, is a hypothesis informing a research question - that the national culture of DICE’s employees in their Swedish branch(es?) and the organisational culture of DICE SE contributed to the issues in Battlefield V. > > > > The data collection and analysis could be informed by Hofstede’s model, but since the model itself is questionable, it would probably be prudent to crtoss-analyse the data from different perspectives within the fields of project management, and possibly other frameworks in sociology. > > > > In other words, a far more fitting venue for the use of Hofstede would be a research project of appreciable scale - a master’s thesis at minimum. Perhaps it could be squeezed into a book chapter. > > > > Basically, the use of Hofstede on a game forum where people are complaining about delays and bugs is at best the authority fallacy, and uncharitably put, downright foolish. > > Well first of all, I have two majors, one being in finances, the second in corporate communication and culture. So I am fully aware that my comment was lacking methodology, I was not aware this was a paper that needed handing in. > > It was a simplistic take og culture yes, but the point still stands, as corporate culture is indeed influenced by natuonap culture. > > Maybe if you had not been condescending, that would have been a start. Oh the irony. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781.md?page=1) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/this-sums-it-up/106781.md?page=3)