# Thoughts on Hellreigel is it OP?

**URL:** <https://battlefieldforum.co/t/thoughts-on-hellreigel-is-it-op/102746>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [November 29, 2016, 2:26pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/thoughts-on-hellreigel-is-it-op/102746 "2016-11-29T14:26:00Z")\
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**Author:** ![Sindari](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sindari/32/103477_2.png) [@Sindari](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sindari)\
**Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/thoughts-on-hellreigel-is-it-op/102746/21 "2016-11-29T17:03:00Z")

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> [@Ronin0ni](#):
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> > [@Sindari](#):
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> > > [@Ronin0ni](#):
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> > > > [@hairsprayboy](#):
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> > > > It’s arguably the best gun in its class and so it should be, being the level 10 weapon that takes a good amount of grinding to get.
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> > > This is bad reasoning. VERY bad reasoning. If anything higher level unlocks should be weaker.
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> > > A newer player shouldn’t be at such an disadvantage until they “grind out” the unlocks that make someone competitive.
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> > Bizarre. His reasoning is perfect. I wouldn’t have thought anyone could argue in favour of spending all that time to get to rank 10 to be rewarded with an inferior weapon to the one you started the game with, but you just have. How very odd.
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> It’s called being anti-power progression in competitive vs games
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> This isn’t an MMORPG where you grind up levels and run dungeons 500 times for a better weapon.
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> It’s MP FPS, and a new player should never be disadvantaged because of power grind. Being new is disadvantage enough.
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> Want to have cosmetic, titles, non-gameplay affecting progression? Great! Fine! This is ok.
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> Want to have a hard to get (rank 10 doesn’t really qualify as “hard to get”, but it is still mildly grindy) weapon reward to show off your superiority? Great, it should either just be a unique remodel of something you can already get that stands out, OR it can be a known underpowered weapon that using puts you at a disadvantage so using it not only shows you’re better because you earned it, but by the virtue you can still win using an underpowered weapon.
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> I bloody HATE CoD4 and what it did to MP FPS with the goddamn unlock grind progression BS.
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> WORST. CHANGE. IN. FPS. EVER.

In previous BF games it was hidden by the fact that as you played more everything got better via the unlock system. But it has always been there. You might not have got a whole complete weapon, but play rewarded you with better things for your existing weapons that made them into better weapons. Tanks and jets and choppers were vastly superior after playing for longer. Again, you didn’t get that embodied in the form of a single new vehicle given to you but don’t mistake that for it not existing.  
Not sure how you can blame COD, BF has always done it. Worst change? More like no change at all.  
Doesn’t make any sense to argue not to do it either, as everyone can do it, and like you said, it 'doesn’t really qualify as ‘hard to get’. With that statement you neatly defeated that part of your own argument.

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