The ever eternal struggle between profits and doing what’s right !
All these publishers are the same - u should hear what COD players say about Activision !
An old saying comes to mind about DICE and server rentals.. If it ain’t broke, why fix it? The rental system we had since 1942 worked just fine. Why re-invent the wheel to further profits? EA already makes a good chunk of the money from RSPs. So, why change a system that is proven to work for countless years.
Do you understand the damage that can be done by not having kick/ban to start? Racism, Trolling, hacking etc…gives zero control of the server. That should be a priority as a security concern.
It can turn off regulars to a server and clans can lose members and guest over this.
If the answers are constantly changing, it pretty much means upper management at EA/DICE needs a housecleaning. There’s zero excuse for any of this to still be up in the air a week (and counting) AFTER launch.
I’m guessing they haven’t completed the in game commands, hence why we are getting fed kernels and Braddock has been approval to only post what has been implemented. The german thread said Nov 1st release, but here, it is sometime in November. Again, supporting the fact that game commands are not done. They can give us a release date on the game, but not RS’s?
Phogue was hired two years ago and I am totally surprised that in two years, they weren’t able to release RS’s at game launch. Those guys are probably working 100/hrs week to finish this up, if not, should be. My only thought to that would be the game needed to be finished before they could begin making the in game commands, which then the game creators were running behind.
Another question about the RSP. Does EA have any service level agreements with a 3rd party/ies to provide server infrastructure or is all of the hardware owned and maintained by EA/Dice?
Well I am totally fed up with the silence and this back and forth we can’t release because it isn’t finalized yet. The excuses for legal team and all that crap is just bogus stalling. If they should be worried about legalities it should be releasing a game that seems to be unfinished. Though I will give them props that its launch was much better than BF4.
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For them to release something and change it and then be worried that some 12 year old’s parents are going to sue them because they changed their mind is stupid and non-nonsensical. There is a reason we haven’t been told anything and it has nothing to do with legal departments or trying to get the wording correct.
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The reason, or should I say reasons, we haven’t been told anything are as follows and anyone who disagrees or states that I am totally wrong are just living in denial. I lived there for over a month, but enough – is enough!
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Sales - They didn’t release the full story because they knew it would effect sales.
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Arrogance - They get the benefit of an awesome franchise by the fans who make it so. Then their head gets so big they feel as if they can do no wrong and their ideas are the best regardless of what a considerable amount of their customers want.
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Not Finished - Either it’s not ready due to whatever reason or it was not even started until they saw an outrage from the community. Either way this should have been announced prior to launch and when we asked we should have received a direct answer and not deflection and silence.
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Platform Consolidation - The PC/Console conspiracy theorists are partly right. It has nothing to do with sales though. It has everything to do with creating one game that works for all platforms with minimal coding between the platforms. This is why you get the console experience on the PC platform and why many of the features we want do not exist. All for one and one for all. The Battlefield Experience wasn’t thought out properly.
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Deflection - They aren’t telling us anything because there probably wasn’t anything to tell. Server rentals were probably a thing, but then they saw how the regions thing was going and how much the PC and now even the Console community wanted more control. There is a scramble or a discussion still ongoing whether or not to even give us controls we want. .
To think that RCON commands need to be programmed into the server for BF1 is just plain idiotic. They have been creating games for how long? They know when they do testing they need the ability to adjust things from the server side and those things are all per-programed into the engine. Also, they are still using the same engine as BF4 or something similar just upgraded. They didn’t re-invent the wheel and all those functions for the server builds are there they have just chosen to not give them to 3rd party GSP’s. Without those commands they couldn’t have hosted their events that they lived streamed or even setup the correct maps - restarts - putting players where they were suppose to be - etc.
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They choose to ignore the community because they have become arrogant and do not care. They feel that their creation is a result of how awesome they are and not how popular the game is with the community. They have made a very bad calculation and all consequences of their actions will be made loud and clear as the year comes to an end. They have a chance to fix it, but the question is will they.
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We all should stop asking and start demanding answers from the people in charge. We have waiting long enough! This is just stupid to be threatened by mods to follow the rules, told we have to follow the rules or be banned, and I understand there needs to be rules and order - however- this is our only way to express ourselves besides our pocket books with the DEVs.
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Former Battlefield Fanatic
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P.S. Hope you can win my trust back DICE/EA
The servers are being hosted by MS Azure and Amazon EC2 (SLA). There may be (more than likely) a GSP such as MultiPlay or i3D in the mix, but all the servers are cloud based.
@Rev0verDrive Thanks so much for the info! Any reason why other GSP’s (such as Gameservers.com) can’t also host servers on the same basis?
The “GSP” isn’t hosting. They’re more of a backbone manager for the cloud service instances.
Check this post.
BF1 Servers - Thread for discussion of server rentals and settings*
To make even more money!
Servers cost 66% less than traditional GSP. I don’t understand the crying.
well for starters, you gonna pay for 64 slots server even if u want to just jerk alone in the evenings
How do u know the servers are being hosted by MS Azure and Amazon EC2 ? What is the source of this info - just curious. I should be happy if this is the case cause I’m in India, and we have both MS Azure and Amazon EC2 cloud servers here !
66% less and still making money.
How’s the customer service? How’s the server stability? All questions to be answered upon release. Our experience with EA support would argue it will be less than stellar, but we’ll soon know. Cheaper prices doesn’t always equal a great product.
Yes, if 64 slots was what your group was used to renting, then it is less expensive. However, if you use less slots (as we do because we find 64 slots way too many players), then it is more expensive per slot (if they even let us set up servers with the number of slots regardless of game type - that’s a question @Braddock512 ). Pay for 64, use 24, and the cost per slot each month (based on a 6 month agreement) effectively goes from about $.40 to about $1.05. No longer such a good deal. May not be a concern for groups who do 64 all the time, but for the many groups who like smaller sized servers, it is a concern.
Indeed. We already know we’ll be taking a hit in terms of features (at least in the near term), the performance and locations are yet to be released, and the customer service is already earning poor grades by the very fact we’re still dealing with this ridiculous run around on basic questions.
EDIT: By customer service, I mean collectively. I hold no personal malice towards Braddock or any of the front line guys who seem to want to do the right thing but can’t.
Go price BF4 24p @ 60Hz. 16p @ 60Hz is $40 roughly (NFO is $43 for 30 days). And to boot some GSP don’t offer less than 32p at high tick.
Even @ 1.05 per slot you’re paying either less or the same compared to BF4 slot costs and yet gaining 30Hz to your tick.
Tl;dr no normal answer, and tons of questions. I guess in order to get the answers we will have to wait to the official option to rent a server and see the features.
Basically he is the pr person feeding the mushrooms what the corporate entity wants you to hear and hope you drink the koolaide. Sounds just like what happens at my job. I don’t drink the koolaide and don’t believe the bs there either.