# TTK Changes Discussion : All platforms **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 12, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178 "2018-12-12T20:40:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Shadders\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Shadders\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Shadders_X)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/101 "2018-12-13T19:51:00Z")
Hi, Yes, BF4 is great. In the BFV beta, could not really see opponents - and they appeared smaller than BF4 opponents. Why they just did not reuse BF4 netcode (example) which works - is not really understandable. Quick and easy win. Maybe reskin BF4 with new maps (BF2:MC, BFBC1 etc maps) would be a seller as a digital download - costing £20. Basically, a game that **WORKS** , people are happy with, and no capital outlay for DVD production as it is only code on a server. If BF5 is failing, give us something we know and love. Regards, Shadders\_X. ---
**Author:** ![TheSeries3](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/d78d45/32.png) [@TheSeries3](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TheSeries3)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/102 "2018-12-13T19:51:00Z")
dice’s reason for this new ttk doesn’t make sense. they said its cause people are leaving the game. yet in bf4 the ttk is way higher. if people are leaving the game is probably go to play a BR game. BR is still the rage for many people. although I’m fine with the BR mode having a longer ttk. ---
**Author:** ![Lootboxjt](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@Lootboxjt](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Lootboxjt)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 7:52pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/103 "2018-12-13T19:52:00Z")
Thank you for ruin the game completely now Dice/EA. This is pathetic. It is even more unbalanced that it was before!!! Medic weapons were already worthless, now they are even worse with the TTK-change. Emptying whole magazin on enemy within 5 meters (hipfiring and zoomed) and enemy just refusing to die. You guys better reject this TTK-change or you will lose many people of the hardcore community! ---
**Author:** ![Iightblack](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@Iightblack](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Iightblack)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 7:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/104 "2018-12-13T19:53:00Z")
Keep your changes, DICE… The higher TTK makes the game better and more competitive. Simply leaves both mods (like BF3, BF4…). ---
**Author:** ![BaronVonGoon](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/baronvongoon/32/100934_2.png) [@BaronVonGoon](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BaronVonGoon)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/105 "2018-12-13T19:54:00Z")
Yeah I had one yesterday. I didn’t die but it was what I’d call unsatisfying gunplay: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3FEHekyaG4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3FEHekyaG4) ---
**Author:** ![zakrocz](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/z/59ef9b/32.png) [@zakrocz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/zakrocz)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/106 "2018-12-13T19:55:00Z")
> [@trip1ex](#): > > It’s the opposite. > > You can move more now because you won’t be quite as pinned down by gunfire. > > Flanking is easier to do because of this. Hard to get out on the flank if you are pinned down. > > You need 1 more bullet per kill. It’s not “more bullets per kill.” > > YOu might not be able to shoot as many enemies in the back as before but they also can’t kill you as quick as before either. > > Zerg isn’t fighting over 1-2 objectives the whole game. Zerg is constantly exchanging flags and never attempting to hold anything. That was as alive and well in TTK 1.0 as it will be in TTK 2.0. The player base doesn’t know how to play Conquest no matter which ttk the game has. And the game doesn’t do anything to encourage players to not give up what they got so easily. Couldn’t have said it any better. Have an upvote. The merry go round of flag capping has been a thing since BF2 when they introduced squads and squad leader spawning. Then it went to the next level with BC1 and 2 when they introduced all squad spawn and short distances between flags. Its probably why Panzerstorm plays a lot like a large BF1942 map with fairly long distances between flags and less cover. On this map you see infantry defending flags in numbers while others jump in vehicles heading off to attack a flag. Running across long stretches of fairly open terrain with snipers and tanks everywhere is forcing players to change their playstyle. ---
**Author:** ![Helmethill](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/848f3c/32.png) [@Helmethill](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Helmethill)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 7:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/107 "2018-12-13T19:56:00Z")
If you change the game like this there should be option for refund. It is the last time i get game from you in preorder and even paid for the early access. I have played over 100h already then you just decide to change it? I now played few hours and did not enjoy it anymore. I have had all the Battlefields but i will not be play anymore with this settings. You just lost one customer. Focus to to fix the game first before get creedy. ---
**Author:** ![trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@trip1ex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/trip1ex)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/108 "2018-12-13T19:58:00Z")
Well what other game is 32 vs 32 players where tons of players are in the same area and the netcode is perfectly smooth? Just wondering because I think any small squad game is a different ballgame. Even the BR games spread out the players across the map and the player counts are quickly cut in half and then cut in half again. Do agree that hard to enemies is something I don’t find that fun. I just don’t want to work that hard to find enemies lol. Slows everything down to much. Feels like work. And I feel like by the time I see someone I’m dead. It is already bad enough my reflexes aren’t that of a 20 yr old any longer and thus it feels like the game is piling on at that point lol. Also hate constantly fiddling with monitor settings which is the type of thing you need to do when you enemies hard to see. I will say that in CoD Blackout the enemies are easy to see. The visuals have a better clarity to than BF even though BF has better graphics. And hit registration in Blackout feels better than BF. ---
**Author:** ![south\_killa568](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@south\_killa568](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/south_killa568)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/109 "2018-12-13T19:58:00Z")
ohen witz die scheiß ttk geht voll auf n sack es war dovor einfach perfekt und jetz so was richtig zum kotze zock wieder bf4 und wenns wieder normal ist wieder bf5 kommt einem so vor als ob man da ewig auf n gegner einballern muss und des ist nicht merh realistik ich mein man muss halt aufpassen wo man läuft dann bleibt man auch am leben und tja des ist halt n krieg s game da hat man nicht immer glück ---
**Author:** ![Helmethill](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/848f3c/32.png) [@Helmethill](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Helmethill)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 8:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/110 "2018-12-13T20:01:00Z")
> [@Helmethill](#): > > If you change the game like this there should be option for refund. It is the last time i get game from you in preorder and even paid for the early access. I have played over 100h already then you just decide to change it? I now played few hours and did not enjoy it anymore. I have had all the Battlefields but i will not be play anymore with this settings. You just lost one customer. Focus to to fix the game first before get creedy. Lets all take few days break and see what will happen when the traffic is lower. ---
**Author:** ![Aegis\_Kleais](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/aegis_kleais/32/101145_2.png) [@Aegis\_Kleais](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Aegis_Kleais)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 8:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/111 "2018-12-13T20:01:00Z")
The netcode is hands down the most infuriating thing. Super bullet insta-death, dying behind cover, sinking full magazines into enemies and watching them run off laughing. The only thing more depressing is realizing it’ll never be fixed. ---
**Author:** ![DRUNKMONKEY9821](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/9fc348/32.png) [@DRUNKMONKEY9821](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DRUNKMONKEY9821)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/112 "2018-12-13T20:02:00Z")
Bad aim lol that bs because you can headshot 4 times with mp40 before they die.might not even have guns in the game here the best gun lvl 1.last bf I buy on release might pick ea access up 2 years from now to play the next bf.because we all know there another one already half made for next year just like cod. ---
**Author:** ![theONEFORCE](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/theoneforce/32/103797_2.png) [@theONEFORCE](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/theONEFORCE)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/113 "2018-12-13T20:02:00Z")
> [@trip1ex](#): > > > [@CaptHotah](#): > > > > In the previous ttk he would have been dead. Clearly i damaged him more, with 1 less bullet required to kill he would have been dead. Again, he didnt killed me, someone from my right did, wich maybe i could have avoid by taking cover, reload and come back to deal with if it wasnt required to land 8 bullets to kill the first guy. (if you slow down the video you can see 5 hitmarks) > > After a month of getting used the old ttk this feels like a total different game now. Its not fun. > > The 2nd guy that killed you would have dropped you quicker too. Probably a wash and same result. It probably would have led to him damaging the person he was shooting at less. Once the server registered that the second guy killed him his bullets would have disappeared because of the no kill trade system. So he got more hit points and would have died anyway which means that the patch was a net gain for him. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Deezie](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loki_deezie/32/106890_2.png) [@Loki\_Deezie](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loki_Deezie)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/114 "2018-12-13T20:03:00Z")
Bad aim, maybe hit a HS once and awhile. ---
**Author:** ![Oracl3man](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/a8b319/32.png) [@Oracl3man](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Oracl3man)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/115 "2018-12-13T20:03:00Z")
Very bad move from EA/Dice and if this turns into a reskinned Casualfield 1 I’m done ---
**Author:** ![Khann96](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/khann96/32/106845_2.png) [@Khann96](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Khann96)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/116 "2018-12-13T20:04:00Z")
I liked the old TTK much better. The new TTK will just make automatic weapons the most used weapons. People will gravitate towards higher rate of fire weapons or sniper rifles. Now weapons like the Turner for example, cannot kill multiple enemies unless you land headshots, but even then you have to be insanely accurate because you only have 10 rounds. I’d rather play the old TTK with improved netcode. I wouldn’t have stopped playing this game if you guys put the new TTK in the current Core playlist. Instead we are forced to play Conquest and use the server filters to even find matches within our region. I really believe that the majority of players preferred the old TTK. At least from what I’ve seen both in game and on the forums. ---
**Author:** ![ImCaligula](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/e56c9b/32.png) [@ImCaligula](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ImCaligula)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/117 "2018-12-13T20:04:00Z")
I literally had the game for less than a week before you changed TTK. In that time I praised it everywhere despite its unfinished state because of how fun the gameplay was. I even got one of them to buy it, and was trying to convince others to get it too, they even jokingly asked me if I was being paid to sponsor it for how much I was raving about it. Now you changed what made it good and left a gameplay that is mediocre at best. I didn’t want to complain before I tried either, so I did try it. Now I can say it’s . I’ll stop playing the game and go back to siege until this is fixed. I shouldn’t be this pissed about this, but I am. I got this game for free with my gpu and was not expecting much from it. I got very pleasantly surprised from it, and now it turned sour. Change it back please. ---
**Author:** ![renerabbitt](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/8dc957/32.png) [@renerabbitt](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/renerabbitt)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/118 "2018-12-13T20:06:00Z")
> [@HardAimedKid](#): > > > [@renerabbitt](#): > > > > Are we all so self important that we can’t show some gratitude in the fact that we can click a button and be jettisoned to a different era to pretend like we’re fighting in our grandfather’s war. Nothing but hate for the hard working production teams that have no doubt poured their lives into producing innovation amidst tightened deadlines and insurmountable coding issues. Cut some slack, I admit to being a pre-modona from time to time, and I appreciate it when my friends call me out on it…take a step back and look at the big picture. This game will be good, give it some time. Heaven forbid half of you start stock trading, SMH. > > Poured their lives in? Their pockets are padded enough to where I’m not gonna feel bad about them doing the job they signed up to do lol. They had 2 years to make a game and made a glorified beta instead of a whole game. Now they’re literally “testing” in public matches across the board rather than having any type of cte or anything. It’s not acceptable and the level that they’ve done their job to is a level that would lose people their jobs in other professions. This is now the world of gaming sadly.. > > Oh those poor poor devs who were forced to make video games for a living. 🤦‍♂️ Curious if anyone ever stopped and considered that the plug could just be pulled on this production. That Youtubers bashing the game doesn’t actually help. That promoting the game and gaining it traction and in turn revenue, could be productive toward getting additional resources for implementing all of these proposed changes. Instead of a bunch of emotional-teeshirt wearing twenty year olds threatening to never buy an EA title again, complaining as if their very lives are being crushed by the weight of it all. Way too many moving targets for a statement such as the Devs pockets are fat. Short on resources, time, unexpected coding issues…its not like they copy pasted for this game–stuff happens, and you’re developing for multi-platform, global, etc. etc. It’s not as easy as seemingly everyone in this thread make it out to be- Fix the netcode!!! they scream, don’t you think they’re trying to. Suddenly a hotfix to the TTK doesn’t sound all that outragious to me, let the loyal fanbase scream for a week while we fix the netcode and in the meantime maybe we can get some casual gamers to stick with it a bit longer. Its probably simple as analytics- a casual gamer isn’t going to buy if they’re going to die at the first spamming SMG from 100 meters-hey I have an idea, lets just roll out a new TTK, get some additional moneys and throw some more man hours at server upgrades and TTD (kind’ve sounds like what I would do in their shoes) ---
**Author:** ![r3f1cul666](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@r3f1cul666](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/r3f1cul666)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/119 "2018-12-13T20:07:00Z")
at the end of the day its an enjoyment thing for me … and i just dont enjoy BFV 😕 i instantly die, i struggle to see people CONSTANTLY and now i feel like my bullets are made of condoms and gummy bears ☹ this game feels bad a lot of the time on 60hz servers on pc but on console with 30hz servers its somehow unimaginably worse than already bad … no clue what dice are thinking but i put in a good amount of time in BF games and am rather good at them and im already just done with this game tbh 😕 just not fun and they continue to make horrid decision after horrid decision IMO so guess im just waiting for some more updates and i’ll give it another shot down the road and if i dont like it then, then i’ll just shelf the game and move on… plenty of other games out but it does really suck to not have a main shooter to play for the year ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Deezie](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loki_deezie/32/106890_2.png) [@Loki\_Deezie](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loki_Deezie)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178/120 "2018-12-13T20:08:00Z")
Yea I have a feeling everyone saying that the new TTK has ruined the game for them means they couldnt aim in the first place. Anyone with decent aim can hit 1 extra bullet. And anyone with good aim will hit HS on not notice a single difference because HS damage wass not changed. [Previous page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178.md?page=5) [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/ttk-changes-discussion-all-platforms/106178.md?page=7)