# Valentine MAA needs love. **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 6, 2019, 3:21am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/valentine-maa-needs-love/106512 "2019-02-06T03:21:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 17
**Author:** ![WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/winterwarhurst/32/107315_2.png) [@WinterWarhurst](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/WinterWarhurst)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2019, 3:13pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/valentine-maa-needs-love/106512/17 "2019-02-06T15:13:00Z")
> [@Shrediron](#): > > > [@WinterWarhurst](#): > > > > I have taken the Wirbelwind out on Twisted Steel and one burst killed every single plane type with ease, at range, and without help. It is bugged and @rainkloud has outlined why in the last comment here: [https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us/discussion/comment/1459246#Comment\_1459246](https://web.archive.org/web/2018/https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us/discussion/comment/1459246#Comment_1459246) > > I doubt it. > > > [@WinterWarhurst](#): > > > > What you are experiencing with the Wirbelwind isn’t intentional, it’s a bug, not balance. > > So the Valentine will get a nerf? > > > [@WinterWarhurst](#): > > > > In terms of my critique of your aim and positioning, it is harsh, but it is a FACT, and you will never see the top tankers either positioning, anticipating, aiming, or tracking the way you do, period. You should have expected him to return, you didn’t even relocate to a better firing or hiding position, you allowed him to sneak you with tree cover. You can choose to improve and practice, or you can choose to ignore my harsh, yet true and helpful, critique, and blame it on a lack of gun elevation, or damage output (which frankly you HAVE to factor in to your gameplay anyway, so really isn’t an excuse even if valid.) > > As I previously stated I was en route when I got attacked by the plane. There was infantry in front of F and infantry behind me. Surely you know how fast a light armored tank gets taken out by infantry. I dont play the game to sit on the outskirts as I stated, I play for objectives. My entire purpose in recording that video was to record the damage output to diagnose what others have complained about in regards to AA damage. The fact is stationary AA can not take down bombers, not even as an engineer unless the plane is already damaged. > The Valentine seems to be middle of the road and the current setup was changed for that match because the other cannons were not doing any better. > > > [@WinterWarhurst](#): > > > > As for wanting to see me do better I don’t have any videos with SPAA other than this: > > > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryxlFL4ympc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryxlFL4ympc) > > Flakpanzers taking out fighters in 3 seconds. Good. I do the same all day long (when I am in a tank). By contrast bombers 1 shot entire squads and tanks. Balance. > > > [@WinterWarhurst](#): > > > > I rarely play the SPAA, I prefer medium tanks, but I have a lot more recorded clips including one where I take down every single plane on the map during a round of Twisted Steel, the majority are one burst kills, even at range, and some are frankly unbelievable kills, but it’s broken, so I can’t really take credit, it’s cheap, and one bursting bombers as they come out of spawn from across the map feels like borderline cheating. > > post the unedited video. > > > [@WinterWarhurst](#): > > > > As for you calling me a camper, if there was a leaderboard for objectives captured in a tank, I would bet I’m in the top 5-10 globally. I’m not sure why this is relevant to the points I was making, but whatever, I feel the need to defend the accusation, despite tanks not being particularly well balanced for PTFO playstyles (despite my protests as I am a PTFO player at heart). > > You critiqued my play style without me asking, is it not fair that I return the favor? Look man, it’s not just me, there are even self-proclaimed noobs claiming rounds like these on the forums with over 5-6 pages of comments: [One single Round, 18 planes destroyed, 26kills, 0 death. This vehicle is way too powerful.](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/one-single-round-18-planes-destroyed-26kills-0-death-this-vehicle-is-way-too-powerful/106499) Everyone knows the Wirbelwind is completely broken, GTFO, you’re not going to persuade anybody, especially not with a video that could honestly be you trolling. I really don’t know what the hell you expect?! If you make SPAA so noob friendly anybody can one burst bombers from across the map then actual skilled players will make air entirely redundant. You really have no clue what you’re asking for in terms of balance. My two most played classes are tanker and pilot. The amount of skill taken to solo an SPAA right now compared to solo a plane is an enormous chasm. They aren’t even remotely comparable. This guy used one of the best tactics, he used tree cover to take advantage of your terrible positioning. Also if I was expecting a Stuka with a 1000kg bomb to return, I would be making it my absolute priority to give myself all the advantages, not the inverse. What happens in this video is your own damn fault, and if you ever want to be taken seriously you need to own up to that and improve. I’m sorry it sounds so harsh, but I have no patience for players that ask for nerfs or buffs without first recognising there is actually a learning curve, and that there are plenty of improvements they can make to their gameplay before they cry buff/ nerf. That’s why I thought your video was trolling. --- _[View the full topic](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/valentine-maa-needs-love/106512)._