# Want to learn how to dogfight better? **URL:** \ **Category:** Console\ **Created:** [November 29, 2016, 5:41am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274 "2016-11-29T05:41:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/korpusdraige/32/102566_2.png) [@KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/KorpusDraige)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 5:41am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/1 "2016-11-29T05:41:00Z")
In all previous Battlefield games, players who only spent their time in public servers would get beat by someone who practiced how to dogfight in 1v1 servers. It is through practice in a 1v1 server that gets you better, not Air Superiority or “only” playing in a public server. If you’re a serious pilot and want to improve you game by dogfighting other members of the community, then enlist here: [Platoons - Battlelog / Battlefield 4](http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/platoons/view/16184632634841148/) We also have a club you can search for called “Dogfight Community”. While rented servers are here, private ones are not. So once private settings are made available, we will get a dogfight server. Here are some examples of some 1v1 dogfights: [![Video: Battlefield 1- Korpus Draige vs D3adbyapr1l Dogfight Practice](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/c/e/cee18c51b98be3dc571e580dfdeef91f5f08b475.jpeg "Battlefield 1- Korpus Draige vs D3adbyapr1l Dogfight Practice") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rfw5mrZtb8) [![Video: Battlefield 1- Korpus Draige vs AFO Hotel Dogfight Practice](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/a/f/afc907b3c76cf76151b6c33a0fd49861294a1817.jpeg "Battlefield 1- Korpus Draige vs AFO Hotel Dogfight Practice") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8s4wbT8ewU) [![Video: Battlefield 1- Korpus Draige vs PixelDesign HD Dogfight Practice](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/0/1/019ebdf2350f362618b8eab611f01366304c52f8.jpeg "Battlefield 1- Korpus Draige vs PixelDesign HD Dogfight Practice") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vBSRXB6hLU) There are set rules as well. Merge by flying past one another, the fight starts once you pass (no shooting into them before passing). If using Attack Planes, no switching to rear gun in mid dogfight. Trench loadout only on Fighter Planes (no auto-repair) and flare upon merge to prove your loadout. This is not a clan. This is a community of dogfighters trying to get something started on BF1. ---
**Author:** ![Scudze](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/scudze/32/105432_2.png) [@Scudze](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Scudze)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 7:36am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/2 "2016-11-29T07:36:00Z")
Uno!! ---
**Author:** ![CCRyder73](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ccryder73/32/105381_2.png) [@CCRyder73](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CCRyder73)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/3 "2016-11-29T18:53:00Z")
Is there a sign up fee? ---
**Author:** ![KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/korpusdraige/32/102566_2.png) [@KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/KorpusDraige)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2016, 7:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/4 "2016-11-29T19:49:00Z")
> [@CCRyder73](#): > > Is there a sign up fee? Not for you ---
**Author:** ![GreyHound5011](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/greyhound5011/32/102122_2.png) [@GreyHound5011](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GreyHound5011)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/5 "2016-11-30T01:00:00Z")
How does this help you dogfight? In a regular match you will never fight by rules or against a set load out so this doesn’t help with anything ---
**Author:** ![KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/korpusdraige/32/102566_2.png) [@KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/KorpusDraige)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/6 "2016-11-30T01:22:00Z")
> [@ITY53](#): > > How does this help you dogfight? In a regular match you will never fight by rules or against a set load out so this doesn’t help with anything You need both skill sets (dogfighting and Conquest) to make it by. If you can’t dogfight and you’re up against someone who can… Well, goodluck. This isn’t new haha. It is why most good pilots get “hackusations” from pub pilots, not understanding what just happened. Trust me, it matters and it helps. Let me ask you, what do you even know on this subject to warrant that “this doesn’t help anything”? If you’re serious about flying, this is how you’ll improve your game and get rid of those pub pilots faster then you could before. So either you want to improve or you don’t, the choice is yours. If you do fly, I challenge you to come into an open server against me and I can prove you wrong. ---
**Author:** ![M0RT0N](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/779978/32.png) [@M0RT0N](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/M0RT0N)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2016, 1:26am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/7 "2016-11-30T01:26:00Z")
I was going to say just ask Michael Vick lmao ---
**Author:** ![AMPxGhillie](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/ampxghillie/32/105370_2.png) [@AMPxGhillie](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/AMPxGhillie)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2016, 8:32am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/8 "2016-11-30T08:32:00Z")
> [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > [@ITY53](#): > > > > How does this help you dogfight? In a regular match you will never fight by rules or against a set load out so this doesn’t help with anything > > You need both skill sets (dogfighting and Conquest) to make it by. If you can’t dogfight and you’re up against someone who can… Well, goodluck. This isn’t new haha. It is why most good pilots get “hackusations” from pub pilots, not understanding what just happened. Trust me, it matters and it helps. Let me ask you, what do you even know on this subject to warrant that “this doesn’t help anything”? > > If you’re serious about flying, this is how you’ll improve your game and get rid of those pub pilots faster then you could before. So either you want to improve or you don’t, the choice is yours. If you do fly, I challenge you to come into an open server against me and I can prove you wrong. Coming from a pub pilot in BF3 all the way up until now, you don’t need to practice dogfighting. More often than not you get shot down by AA guns, get double teamed, or just get rammed by a fighter with super speed. You just need to find the speed where it turns the sharpest. Do that, and you’re golden. ---
**Author:** ![TheRudeJudeTTV](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/therudejudettv/32/103813_2.png) [@TheRudeJudeTTV](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TheRudeJudeTTV)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2016, 11:46am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/9 "2016-11-30T11:46:00Z")
So you could be even better ur saying but just dont want to? It’s for people that want to improve at flying or just enjoy flying in general. It’s not hard to understand. The general public is bad at flying plain and simple. Everyone in the bf community thinks they are good until they get shutdown by somebody actually good. There’s no requirements to join. Wanna fly and get better? That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/korpusdraige/32/102566_2.png) [@KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/KorpusDraige)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/10 "2016-11-30T18:15:00Z")
> [@AMPxGhillie](#): > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > [@ITY53](#): > > > > > > How does this help you dogfight? In a regular match you will never fight by rules or against a set load out so this doesn’t help with anything > > > > You need both skill sets (dogfighting and Conquest) to make it by. If you can’t dogfight and you’re up against someone who can… Well, goodluck. This isn’t new haha. It is why most good pilots get “hackusations” from pub pilots, not understanding what just happened. Trust me, it matters and it helps. Let me ask you, what do you even know on this subject to warrant that “this doesn’t help anything”? > > > > If you’re serious about flying, this is how you’ll improve your game and get rid of those pub pilots faster then you could before. So either you want to improve or you don’t, the choice is yours. If you do fly, I challenge you to come into an open server against me and I can prove you wrong. > > Coming from a pub pilot in BF3 all the way up until now, you don’t need to practice dogfighting. More often than not you get shot down by AA guns, get double teamed, or just get rammed by a fighter with super speed. > > You just need to find the speed where it turns the sharpest. Do that, and you’re golden. You’re wrong. There is so much more to it than that. It is guys like you who message me and complain that my attack jet shouldn’t of “out turned” your stealth jet. Just because you know how to “313” doesn’t mean you know what you’re doing… Even worse in BF1 now that there is no speed control. Flying in Conquest/Operations is still critical alongside practicing dogfighting. You need both skills. However, through 1v1 practice you’ll cut down the time it takes to dogfight someone. It is by popular complaints saying, “I don’t want to circle with someone for 5 minutes”… That comment I see right there could be solved with a bit of practice. You can still fly in Conquest to keep you sharp there as well, but saying you don’t need to know how to dogfight is a mistake. This is why the community will never get better and improve, you simply refuse to haha. It’s like RudeJude said, either you want to get better or you don’t. If you don’t believe in this, you’re ALSO more than welcome to challenge me? But you won’t do it, you won’t face me in either a 1v1 OR in a standard Conquest match. Why? Because you’re wrong. It can be either BF4 or BF1. None of this is new to me. I’ve flown as a pub pilot through most of BF3, learned how to dogfight a bit at the end of BF3. I dogfought a lot more throughout BF4 and flew a lot of public matches, making my #1 on all platforms for Attack Jets in terms of kills. But kills mean nothing over skill. I did countless scrims during BF4 as well. Some examples of playing in CQ?: Battlefield 1: [![Video: Battlefield 1- Attack Plane 50-0 | Making AA Guns My ****](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/f/a/fa78954481161dfadfc63521ed114f9156a3a5a0.jpeg "Battlefield 1- Attack Plane 50-0 | Making AA Guns My \*\*\*\*") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYkl9xJmhK8) Battlefield 4: [![Video: Battlefield 4- Attack Jet Gameplay | 91-0](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/b/9/b9d531af36dbf2d0d49475201e6fbaba522c9f98.jpeg "Battlefield 4- Attack Jet Gameplay | 91-0") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMDQHtN6SDc) Battlefield 4 scrim: [![Video: Battlefield 4- TE5 vs Ranger | 12v12 | Rogue CN Side](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/6/f/6f9a33bb9c3fe5cfa4b936600873e228a20874b8.jpeg "Battlefield 4- TE5 vs Ranger | 12v12 | Rogue CN Side") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPAJ-7_ca1A) So don’t think all I do is 1v1s. 1v1s have made me and others so much better when playing along side public matches. ---
**Author:** ![Maestro-FIN](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/maestro-fin/32/102718_2.png) [@Maestro-FIN](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Maestro-FIN)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 1:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/11 "2017-02-13T13:01:00Z")
someone should make platoon like this in pc while there is no platoons in bf1. everytime been trying to practice df with friends in empty server it fills up before we have made the first loop 😃 so seems like we need to buy a server to do any. ---
**Author:** ![TheRudeJudeTTV](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/therudejudettv/32/103813_2.png) [@TheRudeJudeTTV](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TheRudeJudeTTV)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/12 "2017-02-13T14:17:00Z")
Nobody is buying servers for the reason that admin cant kick people or password protect it. Aka you would be at the same situation as you just stated in public matches ---
**Author:** ![KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/korpusdraige/32/102566_2.png) [@KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/KorpusDraige)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/13 "2017-02-13T16:18:00Z")
> [@Maestro-FIN](#): > > someone should make platoon like this in pc while there is no platoons in bf1. everytime been trying to practice df with friends in empty server it fills up before we have made the first loop 😃 so seems like we need to buy a server to do any. You should try and find custom servers for now as they’re harder for players to try and fill. ---
**Author:** ![Maestro-FIN](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/maestro-fin/32/102718_2.png) [@Maestro-FIN](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Maestro-FIN)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/14 "2017-02-13T16:43:00Z")
> [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > [@Maestro-FIN](#): > > > > someone should make platoon like this in pc while there is no platoons in bf1. everytime been trying to practice df with friends in empty server it fills up before we have made the first loop 😃 so seems like we need to buy a server to do any. > > You should try and find custom servers for now as they’re harder for players to try and fill. ty for info. you play only on xbox ? ---
**Author:** ![KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/korpusdraige/32/102566_2.png) [@KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/KorpusDraige)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 5:10pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/15 "2017-02-13T17:10:00Z")
> [@Maestro-FIN](#): > > > [@KorpusDraige](#): > > > > > [@Maestro-FIN](#): > > > > > > someone should make platoon like this in pc while there is no platoons in bf1. everytime been trying to practice df with friends in empty server it fills up before we have made the first loop 😃 so seems like we need to buy a server to do any. > > > > You should try and find custom servers for now as they’re harder for players to try and fill. > > ty for info. > you play only on xbox ? I do have a PC, but I do not own BF1 on it. (Have BF3 and BF4 on PC though) ---
**Author:** ![Alcatraz\_25](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/48db29/32.png) [@Alcatraz\_25](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Alcatraz_25)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 10:35am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/16 "2019-01-21T10:35:00Z")
Guys, I’ll be honest, I’m not a good dogfighter at all. I know I lack a lot of skills, but I’m serious about learning how to dogfight. If the offer is still on, I’d appreciate the opportunity to get better by practicing. I’m interested in doing it in all battlefields, starting with bf3 and all the way to BFV ---
**Author:** ![KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/korpusdraige/32/102566_2.png) [@KorpusDraige](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/KorpusDraige)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/want-to-learn-how-to-dogfight-better/104274/17 "2019-01-26T15:08:00Z")
> [@Alcatraz\_25](#): > > Guys, I’ll be honest, I’m not a good dogfighter at all. I know I lack a lot of skills, but I’m serious about learning how to dogfight. If the offer is still on, I’d appreciate the opportunity to get better by practicing. I’m interested in doing it in all battlefields, starting with bf3 and all the way to BFV I stopped playing BF1 a while ago, to be honest. I refuse to play BF3 on console (it’s pretty bad). However, BF4 I still dogfight on and is pretty similar to BF3 in the way the mechanics work (still slight differences). As for BFV, I do have it, but there isn’t much to the dogfighting there to be honest, it’s pretty simple.