# Weapons For the First DLC, "They Shall Not Pass" Expansion **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 12, 2016, 5:02am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/weapons-for-the-first-dlc-they-shall-not-pass-expansion/102779 "2016-12-12T05:02:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![NixonTooStronk](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/nixontoostronk/32/102962_2.png) [@NixonTooStronk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NixonTooStronk)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 5:02am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/weapons-for-the-first-dlc-they-shall-not-pass-expansion/102779/1 "2016-12-12T05:02:00Z")
Since the First DLC is based on everything French, it helps create a very clear picture on what firearms will appear with this DLC. so below I’m going to list the weapons I believe will appear and how they’ll operate. With this DLC we’ll get 5 new weapons, one fore each class and maybe a new sidearm. The weapons below are the ones that will be MOST likely to appear. **Assault Class** We’re either going to get a new SMG or a new shotgun but my moneys on the SMG. - **Ribeyrolles 1918 Automatic Carbine** - ![latest?cb=20120407040843](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/e/e/ee2819161440f062bc063ab3ba1939e324ec6160.jpeg) **Statistics** -Rate of Fire: 550-600 ( about on par with the MP-18, slower than teh Hellreigel and Automatico 1918) -Capacity: 25 Rounds -Cartridge: 8x35R (Intermediate Cartridge, so it’ll do more damage than normal SMG’s at close range but will drop-off after 5 meters) -Is it Relevant to the Era?: Yes, designed in 1916 in France, and modeled in 1918. But did not see military service. Experimental. **How to balance:** \* **-Less accurate than the MP-18 when fired from the hip, more accurate when aiming.** **-Less ammo than the MP-18(both in reserve and magazine)** **-Most powerful Full-Automatic weapon for Assault,with quick damage drop off at medium-longer ranges.** **-Moderate reload, at least slower than the Automatico 1918.** **-Bipod, for more accurate fire, but still unsuitable for ranged engagements.** \*\*-**Clair Brothers 1898 Semi-Automatic Shotgun \*\*\* I wanted to add the Sjrogen Shotgun since its in the game files, but I think that for later DLC** ![tumblr_n7hjdeofSq1s57vgxo1_500.jpg](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/e/4/e4a7f264e28e8da76867b726ecf6e2135791a106.jpeg) **![00010_RARE-FUSIL-CLAIR-ECLAIR.jpg](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/5/e/5e850cd9817de2304a2696817b6b8faaa1d36193.jpeg)** **Statistics** **-Rate of Fire: Semi-Automatic** **-Capacity: Unknown( most likely 6+1)** **-Cartridge: 16 Gauge** **-Is it relevant?: Yes, designed an modeled around 1888 - 1898(my sources are conflicting)by two french dudes, but considered unsuccessful even though it can operate somewhat reliably. Experimental Weapon.** How to Balance \* –If anything, the power and reliability of this weapon, would require an update to the 12G Automatic (the weapon it most closely resembles). -Its tough to say, this should be less powerful than the 12G Automatic but I doubt anyone would want to use it since that gun is under powered. -I say give less damage than the 12G Automatic but a tighter pellet spread. Requiring you to be more accurate with it, and aim down the sights. -Give it 6 Rounds, and a faster reload. **Medic Class** \*New Semi-Automatic Rifle’s, both french produced. RSC MLE 1917/1918 (Two versions of the same rifle, but the 1918 is better) ![RSC1917.png](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/5/4/54c7f36c4f50e9ec1f472292f608f5caf8fa394f.jpeg) Statistics -Rate of Fire: Semi-Automatic( should be on par with the Selb 1906, maybe quicker?) -Capacity: 5+1 -Cartridge: 8x50mm Lebel(Damage on par with the Slebslader 1916 and the Selbslader 1906) -Is it Relevant?: Yes, it was designed in 1917, and put into service with the French Military, Definitely a service Rifle. \*How to Balance -It fires a powerful cartridge, so I’m thinking that if its not a two shot kill at close range, its going to carry the same damage model as the other rifles. -It functions most similar to the Selbslader 1906, with the exception of a faster reload due to its feed mechanism and the extra bullet loaded in the chamber(5+1). **Meunier A6** ![9RcmM3E.png](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/5/8/58073e41efcdc02141909a56b7059d1f740e5ce3.jpeg) **Statistics** -Rate of Fire: Semi-Automatic( closer to the M1907 and the Cei-Rigotti) -Capacity: 5,10 or 15 Round Box magazine( Like the Mondragon it must be reloaded with Stripper Clips or one round at a time) -Cartridge: 7mm (damage on par with the Cei-Rigotti) -Is it Relevant? Yes, Created before the war in 1914. 1000 or so were produced and fielded to soldiers. Experimental/Service??? Rifle **How to Balance** \* **-The Biggest appeal is the 10-15 round capacity** **-Damage would be more in-line with a Cei-Rigotti, but maybe have it fire slower.** **-Or make it more similar to a M1907 but with a Damage model of a Mondragon and less ammo.** \*_Support Class Theres only one French LMG that should be added!_ M1915 CSG ChautChat\*\*( “Sho-Sho”, get it right plebes)\*\* ![chauchat.jpg](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/e/0/e0361d062b09d24757f9c879d22a988f888d2ea5.jpeg) Statistics **-Rate of Fire: 240-250 Round per minute. (Slower firing, but most accurate of all the LMG’s)** **-Capacity: 20 Magazine (reload should have second fastest in Support class)** **-Cartridge: 8x50mm Lebel (A powerful round)** **-Is It relevant?: Yes, official Service Light Machine Gun fro France and many other’s during the war.** How to Balance\* -Easy, Most powerful and most accurate Light machine gun(at the expense of a slow as hell Rate of fire) -20 Round Magazine(with moderate reload) -best Recoil in class \*It may look ugly, but this gun was actually pretty decent. Don’t judge a book by its cover. Scout \*two Bolt-Action Rifles for scout, but each specialized in their own way. **Lebel 1886** ![Lebel_Mle._1886.JPG](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/7/1/718a219c793e407722dcceb5d5d31038ed7cd1d3.jpeg) **Statistics** -Rate of Fire: Bolt-Action(on par with the Gewehr 98 based on its type of bolt action) -Capacity: 8 Rounds( 9 but only in extreme circumstances -Cartridge: 8x50mm Lebel(potent, heavy loaded catridge) -Sweet Spot Distance: (60-70 Meters, more than the Enfield, less than the G98) -Is it relevant?: Yes, One of the first of its kind and standard issue with France. \* _How To Balance_ -Quick action like the Gewehr 98, but with a closer sweet spot at 60 meters(Gewehr 98 is 80 meters) -High capacity at 8 rounds but must be hand loaded since it doesn’t accept stripper clips (and used an atrocious tube magazine) **Mle 1916 Berthier** ![French-Rifle-Berthier-Mle-1916-Rifle-left.jpg](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/f/4/f4d30f2bbe1f1cab0c1382f8b627fa7eb1bec20a.jpeg) **Statistics** -Rate Of Fire: Bolt: Action (Should be balanced with the Enfield’s Speed) -Capacity: 5 Round En Bloc Clip -Cartridge: 8x50mm Lebel -Sweet Spot Distance: Again, 60-70 meters for the Lebel Cartridge. -Is it relevant?: Yes, Service Rifle for troops, rolled out late in the war by 1918. **How To balance** \* **-Have the bolt-action cycle like the Lee-Enfield Rifle, maybe a little faster.** **-Any rounds should be dumped while reloading(like with Repeteirpistole 1914 pistol in the Support Class) and all the rounds reloaded via En Bloc Clip like the Gewehr M.95 rifle. Generally a quick reload.** _---- **EDIT** forgot to add pistol’s_\* **Pistol’s Two pistols, a revolver or a Semi-Automatic one** Star Ruby 1914 Pistol ![French-Pistol-Ruby-M1915-right.jpg](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/0/c/0c144a80bb228f0738b36483b85684469b194115.jpeg) Statistics **-Rate Of Fire: Semi-Auto (As fast as the Pocket Hammerless, Taschenpistole 1914, Modello1915 and the Frommer Stop)** **-Capacity: 9+1 Round Box Magazine** **-Cartridge: .32 APC (weak round, same as Pocket Hammerless)** **-Is It Relevant?: Yes, standard issue in French Military** How to Balance\* -Highest capacity of the “quick Firing Pistols” at 10 rounds(9+1 in the chamber) -Weak damage but quick Rate of fire. -Fast Reload, should be as quick as the Taschenpistole 1914 St’ Etienne Mle 1892 Revolver ![French-Revolver-Mle1892-right.png](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/5/7/577c9ff9e1420c95a6903af96f9910f963bc502d.jpeg) **Statistics** -Rate of Fire: Double-Action(as fast as the Bulldog for Support) -Capacity: 6 round Cylinder(doesn’t use loading gate like most Revolvers in-game) -Cartridge: 8x27sR (Small Catridge compared to other revolvers.) -Is it Relevant?: Yes, used by French officers before and during WW1. \*_How To Balance_ -Much faster reload than most revolvers since it has a swing out cylinder, so it’ll use a speed reloader. -Fast Rate of fire, most similar to the Bulldog and Bodeo. -Slightly Weaker Cartridge but still a reliable 2-3 shot kill Please leave your thoughts down below. ---
**Author:** ![Puppet913](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/puppet913/32/101303_2.png) [@Puppet913](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Puppet913)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 5:10am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/weapons-for-the-first-dlc-they-shall-not-pass-expansion/102779/2 "2016-12-12T05:10:00Z")
Bump bump ---
**Author:** ![Jaysw34](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/jaysw34/32/102376_2.png) [@Jaysw34](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Jaysw34)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 5:11am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/weapons-for-the-first-dlc-they-shall-not-pass-expansion/102779/3 "2016-12-12T05:11:00Z")
Wow awesome post! Are you going to do a Russian one too? ---
**Author:** ![Prolific-JaY](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/prolific-jay/32/103177_2.png) [@Prolific-JaY](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Prolific-JaY)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 5:12am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/weapons-for-the-first-dlc-they-shall-not-pass-expansion/102779/4 "2016-12-12T05:12:00Z")
Good post. Thanks for the info. ---
**Author:** ![poppower45](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/d9b06d/32.png) [@poppower45](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/poppower45)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 5:14am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/weapons-for-the-first-dlc-they-shall-not-pass-expansion/102779/5 "2016-12-12T05:14:00Z")
A nice variety of weapons,though you should also add some sidearms. ---
**Author:** ![NixonTooStronk](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/nixontoostronk/32/102962_2.png) [@NixonTooStronk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NixonTooStronk)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 5:26am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/weapons-for-the-first-dlc-they-shall-not-pass-expansion/102779/6 "2016-12-12T05:26:00Z")
> [@Jaysw34](#): > > Wow awesome post! Are you going to do a Russian one too? Some time in the future. Unlike the French, the Russians weren’t leading the world in arms development. For now all i got for them is the Federaov Avtomat and the Mosin Nagant and Nagant Revolver. So no light machine gun or Assault Class weapon. I might have to include developments from other countries like the MG-14 but at that point it just becomes a wishlist. > [@poppower45](#): > > A nice variety of weapons,though you should also add some sidearms. yeah, forgot to add them, just updated. The Revolvers nice since it’ll have a faster reload. I wanted to add a larger, more powerful sidearm like the Gasser 1870 from Austria. ---
**Author:** ![GreenRey](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/ad7895/32.png) [@GreenRey](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GreenRey)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 6:11am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/weapons-for-the-first-dlc-they-shall-not-pass-expansion/102779/7 "2016-12-12T06:11:00Z")
Awesome list of firearms. The one that excites me the most is the 1916 Berthier. I’m spoiled from the faster reload and rate of fire from the Gewehr M.95 but the idea of a sweet spot for a closer range sounds real good to me. ---
**Author:** ![Smaisteri](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/smaisteri/32/103529_2.png) [@Smaisteri](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Smaisteri)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 6:19am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/weapons-for-the-first-dlc-they-shall-not-pass-expansion/102779/8 "2016-12-12T06:19:00Z")
DICE has no clue on how to balance Medic weapons with the capacity for only 5 bullets, I hope there won’t be any new weapon like that. I’m already getting bored of the very few usable guns for the Medic and Support class. ---
**Author:** ![GrizzGolf](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/grizzgolf/32/102129_2.png) [@GrizzGolf](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GrizzGolf)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 6:23am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/weapons-for-the-first-dlc-they-shall-not-pass-expansion/102779/9 "2016-12-12T06:23:00Z")
I hope the medic gun doesn’t blow ---
**Author:** ![eSyn-exor](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/esyn-exor/32/101880_2.png) [@eSyn-exor](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/eSyn-exor)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 6:34am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/weapons-for-the-first-dlc-they-shall-not-pass-expansion/102779/10 "2016-12-12T06:34:00Z")
Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![NixonTooStronk](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/nixontoostronk/32/102962_2.png) [@NixonTooStronk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NixonTooStronk)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 9:49am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/weapons-for-the-first-dlc-they-shall-not-pass-expansion/102779/11 "2016-12-12T09:49:00Z")
> [@GrizzGolf](#): > > I hope the medic gun doesn’t blow If it’s the Meunier, they you have nothing to worry about. If they go with the RSC 1917, then they might as well have just added in another Slebslader 1906. ---
**Author:** ![NixonTooStronk](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/nixontoostronk/32/102962_2.png) [@NixonTooStronk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NixonTooStronk)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 9:49am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/weapons-for-the-first-dlc-they-shall-not-pass-expansion/102779/12 "2016-12-12T09:49:00Z")
> [@eSyn-exor](#): > > Thanks. No Prob ---
**Author:** ![NixonTooStronk](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/nixontoostronk/32/102962_2.png) [@NixonTooStronk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NixonTooStronk)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 9:51am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/weapons-for-the-first-dlc-they-shall-not-pass-expansion/102779/13 "2016-12-12T09:51:00Z")
> [@GreenRey](#): > > Awesome list of firearms. The one that excites me the most is the 1916 Berthier. I’m spoiled from the faster reload and rate of fire from the Gewehr M.95 but the idea of a sweet spot for a closer range sounds real good to me. Keep in mind this is just speculation, all my information is based purely on Catridge size, barrel length and so forth. If it is implemented into the game then, it might be completely different. ---
**Author:** ![Bossman1794](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bossman1794/32/101394_2.png) [@Bossman1794](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Bossman1794)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 10:01am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/weapons-for-the-first-dlc-they-shall-not-pass-expansion/102779/14 "2016-12-12T10:01:00Z")
Good work OP, interesting firearms for sure. I’m not usually to interested in what particular weapons come around in the next DLC so long as they are reasonably balanced. But nice to see some of the possibilities, and especially your recommendations on how to balance them. ---
**Author:** ![NixonTooStronk](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/nixontoostronk/32/102962_2.png) [@NixonTooStronk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NixonTooStronk)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/weapons-for-the-first-dlc-they-shall-not-pass-expansion/102779/15 "2016-12-12T18:02:00Z")
> [@Bossman1794](#): > > Good work OP, interesting firearms for sure. I’m not usually to interested in what particular weapons come around in the next DLC so long as they are reasonably balanced. > But nice to see some of the possibilities, and especially your recommendations on how to balance them. No problem, I’m curious as to which Firearms caught your eye. Was it the Beautiful ChautChat or the gallant Lebel Got more if you wanna check them out here. They’re just pictures, not information since that’ll take up all of my time forums.battlefield.com/en-us/discussion/32938/ww1-weapons-super-thread/p1