# Why are empty servers showing not-empty in the server browser? **URL:** \ **Category:** PC\ **Created:** [December 19, 2017, 3:07am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823 "2017-12-19T03:07:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bibbis](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bibbis/32/105890_2.png) [@bibbis](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/bibbis)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 3:07am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/1 "2017-12-19T03:07:00Z")
Why does it look like this in the browser even thought the servers are COMPLETELY EMPTY when I connect to them? [[Album] imgur.com ![imgur.com](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/5/c/5c07afc8cd5ae4379a36dcbfca816c54648752b7.jpeg "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/a/sTKz5) I’ve been refreshing and trying to connect to “active” servers for an hour now… ---
**Author:** ![thegrizz72](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thegrizz72/32/105762_2.png) [@thegrizz72](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/thegrizz72)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 6:47am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/2 "2017-12-19T06:47:00Z")
Try using battlelog instead of the new UI. ---
**Author:** ![bibbis](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bibbis/32/105890_2.png) [@bibbis](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/bibbis)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 6:58am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/3 "2017-12-19T06:58:00Z")
> [@thegrizz72](#): > > Try using battlelog instead of the new UI. Nooooooooo, I can’t stand using battlelog! ☹ I really despise using it ☹ Is it really more reliable? Having a server browser OUTSIDE of the game is the dumbest idea Dice has EVER come up with. I was so happy to have it integrated into BF4… ---
**Author:** ![thegrizz72](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thegrizz72/32/105762_2.png) [@thegrizz72](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/thegrizz72)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 8:26am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/4 "2017-12-19T08:26:00Z")
The new UI looks nicer but it’s broken. Just try battlelog and see if it works better for you. Also if you get kicked from a server the new UI wont show the reason, battlelog does. ---
**Author:** ![bibbis](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bibbis/32/105890_2.png) [@bibbis](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/bibbis)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/5 "2017-12-19T14:46:00Z")
> [@thegrizz72](#): > > The new UI looks nicer but it’s broken. Just try battlelog and see if it works better for you. Also if you get kicked from a server the new UI wont show the reason, battlelog does. Okay. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![bibbis](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bibbis/32/105890_2.png) [@bibbis](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/bibbis)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/6 "2017-12-19T16:13:00Z")
No, no, no, no, no, no, no I can’t do it I can’t stand it I can’t stand it… It honestly takes MUCH SHORTER TIME to just join and leave servers OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN by using the in game server browser, until I find a server that is actually active, than it takes AROUND WITH THE JOKE THAT IS BATTLELOG. Battlelog is the reason I stopped playing Battlefield 3. I didn’t stop playing because I got tired of the game, but because I got so TIRED of having to fight with battlelog every time I just wanted to play the game. And now I’m right back there… I try to join, the game crashes during boot-up/loading, because WHY THE NOT? It doesn’t crash when I’m NOT using battlelog to start it… And now I’m infinitely stuck on “waiting for game to exit” which prevents me from joining anything else… THE GAME ISN’T RUNNING YOU INCOMPETENT PIECE OF ! Just connect me! Start the game and connect to the server! And, OF COURSE, punk buster errors. Because why would that NOT still be a problem in 2017? I’m sticking with the annoying, broken, irritating integrated server browser where I am free to connect/disconnect to whichever server I want, as many times as I need to, until I find a good server. Because anything, ANYTHING is better than having to use battlelog… ---
**Author:** ![RustedRoot](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/rustedroot/32/103328_2.png) [@RustedRoot](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/RustedRoot)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 4:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/7 "2017-12-19T16:33:00Z")
Nope, battlelog is better for BF4. Use whatever you want, but the fact of the matter is the UI is broken for BF4. Plain and simple. Keep using that broken stuff and enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![Maddayz](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Maddayz](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Maddayz)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 5:21am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/8 "2017-12-20T05:21:00Z")
Oh yeah definitely… Battlelog is better for BF4… If it were actually working maybe? Over half the servers appear as full when they’re empty. Happens on both Chrome and Firefox. ---
**Author:** ![BurtTheBlueberry](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/burttheblueberry/32/105514_2.png) [@BurtTheBlueberry](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BurtTheBlueberry)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/9 "2017-12-20T17:00:00Z")
You could use battlelog coupled with the betterbattlelog browser plugin and the true player count plugin [http://prntscr.com/hq57od](http://prntscr.com/hq57od) copy this link into the empty text box and hit enter. [https://getbblog.com/plugins/user/160260.js](https://getbblog.com/plugins/user/160260.js) servers will show a second playercount like this [http://prntscr.com/hq58pq](http://prntscr.com/hq58pq) ---
**Author:** ![bibbis](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bibbis/32/105890_2.png) [@bibbis](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/bibbis)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/10 "2017-12-21T15:40:00Z")
> [@RustedRoot](#): > > Nope, battlelog is better for BF4. Use whatever you want, but the fact of the matter is the UI is broken for BF4. Plain and simple. Keep using that broken stuff and enjoy. Can you explain how it’s broken? It’s not plain to me at all. In my experience, I have 1 issue with it, and that is when I get trouble with the player count for servers. It’s annoying when that happens, but it doesn’t happen all the time. However, I have several issues with battlelog, every single time that I use it. Every, single, time. Mostly connection issues, but also other stuff like the game not being able to launch in a stable way through battlelog so that it crashes very often, which locks all functionality in battlelog until it finally understands that the game is NOT running any more. So, for me, I have a much better time with the integrated browser. > [@BurtTheBlueberry](#): > > You could use battlelog coupled with the betterbattlelog browser plugin and the true player count plugin > [http://prntscr.com/hq57od](http://prntscr.com/hq57od) > copy this link into the empty text box and hit enter. [https://getbblog.com/plugins/user/160260.js](https://getbblog.com/plugins/user/160260.js) > servers will show a second playercount like this [http://prntscr.com/hq58pq](http://prntscr.com/hq58pq) Okay, I will look into this the next time I’m unable to play. Thanks for sharing, and it’s cool that there are always people who can fix issues with games that developers themselves can’t understand. But hey, it’s only Dice we are talking about here. They are just a small, almost unknown indie studio. ---
**Author:** ![ErrorSource](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/6de8d8/32.png) [@ErrorSource](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ErrorSource)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/11 "2017-12-22T21:24:00Z")
I think its a server/admin plugin. Which tells the system that there are more people on the server to populate them ---
**Author:** ![Niffenator](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/niffenator/32/105973_2.png) [@Niffenator](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Niffenator)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 12:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/12 "2017-12-23T12:01:00Z")
It’s common for server admins to use seeding software to make the server seem more populated in the server browser than it actually is. The incorrect player count thing is done deliberately, in order to get more traffic to the server. The player count in Battlelog is frequently misleading, saying that there are 40-odd players in a 64p server, when there is really only 5 or 6. ---
**Author:** ![VaFutlnCur](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/858c86/32.png) [@VaFutlnCur](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/VaFutlnCur)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2017, 12:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/13 "2017-12-26T12:53:00Z")
its a lie. _inappropriate_ ---
**Author:** ![GUNNY1966](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/gunny1966/32/104859_2.png) [@GUNNY1966](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/GUNNY1966)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2017, 1:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/14 "2017-12-26T13:54:00Z")
> [@bibbis](#): > > > [@thegrizz72](#): > > > > Try using battlelog instead of the new UI. > > Nooooooooo, I can’t stand using battlelog! ☹ > I really despise using it ☹ > Is it really more reliable? > > Having a server browser OUTSIDE of the game is the dumbest idea Dice has EVER come up with. > I was so happy to have it integrated into BF4… **Yea well what you hate may not work as well as you think & it also has between a 3 & 12% hit on your CPU ( Tested / Proven ) so with that being said if your playing a FPS game you need all the CPU can give you. In the link provided below look for #49 & use it unless your willing to give up your processor’s performance just so you can have the eye candy!** [BF4 [Help / Tips / Tricks / Suggestions]](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/bf4-help-tips-tricks-suggestions/104724) ---
**Author:** ![KysMofunka](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/e79b87/32.png) [@KysMofunka](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/KysMofunka)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2017, 11:44pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/15 "2017-12-26T23:44:00Z")
Just a note that I have identified this full/empty issue as an exploit server owners are using to “seed” their servers. They are running some sort of program that does a user connect/disconnect, that keeps the player count up. Having run a server myself I could see tons of join/quit messages in my RCON logs – this exploit needs to be looked into by EA – it’s not just some random occurrence or BL vs GUI issue. ---
**Author:** ![PushEtToTheLimit](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/pushettothelimit/32/105986_2.png) [@PushEtToTheLimit](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PushEtToTheLimit)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 6:23am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/16 "2018-04-13T06:23:00Z")
> [@KysMofunka](#): > > Just a note that I have identified this full/empty issue as an exploit server owners are using to “seed” their servers. They are running some sort of program that does a user connect/disconnect, that keeps the player count up. Having run a server myself I could see tons of join/quit messages in my RCON logs – this exploit needs to be looked into by EA – it’s not just some random occurrence or BL vs GUI issue. 100%, it’s showing all kinds of “25/48” or such servers on Battlelog, yet they are all empty and have no ticket losses. I found the extension on the Chrome Web Store; it looks like a massive EULA/TOS violation and I’ve written about it twice to Chrome Web Store just now. ---
**Author:** ![2fertrippin](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/2/ed655f/32.png) [@2fertrippin](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/2fertrippin)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 8:55am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/17 "2018-04-13T08:55:00Z")
The in game browser does not provide as much information on servers as battlelog. That’s a fact. Use the in game one if you like, but it is definitely inferior to battlelog. Sometimes I have to log out and back in to get it to launch a game properly, and it quite often displays incorrect player counts on servers, but again, it is better. ---
**Author:** ![RustedRoot](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/rustedroot/32/103328_2.png) [@RustedRoot](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/RustedRoot)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 11:19am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/18 "2018-04-13T11:19:00Z")
^ That. The UI was developed more for Battlefield 1. They just threw BF4 in there for whatever reason. ---
**Author:** ![2fertrippin](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/2/ed655f/32.png) [@2fertrippin](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/2fertrippin)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/19 "2018-04-13T14:01:00Z")
If you take the extra step in Battlelog and click on “VIEW FULL SERVER PAGE” on the bottom right side of the page it will give you an accurate player list. ---
**Author:** ![PEWx2](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/7ab992/32.png) [@PEWx2](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PEWx2)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 7:02am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823/20 "2018-04-14T07:02:00Z")
> [@thegrizz72](#): > > Try using battlelog instead of the new UI. This doesn’t help, it also shows false player count. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-are-empty-servers-showing-not-empty-in-the-server-browser/104823.md?page=2)