# Why cant criticism be constructive, legitamate and meaningful?? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 13, 2016, 10:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975 "2016-06-13T22:40:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/aeb1de/32.png) [@ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ilikem14)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 10:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/1 "2016-06-13T22:40:00Z")
Why cant some people whine about that is truely wrong? we havent even gotten into the beta and people are whining about stupid like the game it too fast or this game is sexist because it has no female soldiers (read a histroy book you women’s sufferage didnt even happen yet) or my personal favourite so far: Tank grenades that only do 20 damage and require you to be within 20-30 meters are OP. truly we are witnessing cancer today people ---
**Author:** ![Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sir-xer21/32/103487_2.png) [@Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sir-xer21)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/2 "2016-06-13T22:41:00Z")
This post was cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rev0verDrive)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 10:46pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/3 "2016-06-13T22:46:00Z")
Tankers are scared of nades now. They like to be able to drive into cqb and maintain invincibility. BF4 C4 all over again. ---
**Author:** ![DrVanNostrand1](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@DrVanNostrand1](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DrVanNostrand1)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 10:46pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/4 "2016-06-13T22:46:00Z")
i want to criticize now,and not regret buying the game later.. ---
**Author:** ![ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/aeb1de/32.png) [@ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ilikem14)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/5 "2016-06-13T22:49:00Z")
> [@DrVanNostrand1](#): > > i want to criticize now,and not regret buying the game later.. ther is literaly nothing to bwhine about. if you are whining now you are pulling BS out of your rear end ---
**Author:** ![Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sir-xer21/32/103487_2.png) [@Sir-xer21](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Sir-xer21)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 10:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/6 "2016-06-13T22:53:00Z")
> [@ilikem14](#): > > ther is literaly nothing to bwhine about. that’s your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/aeb1de/32.png) [@ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ilikem14)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/7 "2016-06-13T22:54:00Z")
> [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > ther is literaly nothing to bwhine about. > > that’s your opinion. OK wiseguy what it there that deserves whining about? ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/8 "2016-06-13T22:55:00Z")
> [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > ther is literaly nothing to bwhine about. > > that’s your opinion. ![Yeah-well-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man.jpg](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/a/c/ac75932a4a62cbea8f7c7c84ac8bab375994c633.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/9 "2016-06-13T22:55:00Z")
> [@ilikem14](#): > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > > > ther is literaly nothing to bwhine about. > > > > that’s your opinion. > > OK wiseguy what it there that deserves whining about? Anything people don’t like, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/aeb1de/32.png) [@ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ilikem14)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/10 "2016-06-13T23:03:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > > > > > ther is literaly nothing to bwhine about. > > > > > > that’s your opinion. > > > > OK wiseguy what it there that deserves whining about? > > Anything people don’t like, for instance. But logically how can you call something overpowered with no logical rhetoric to back your statement? For example: AT grenades are OP according to one person. How can a weapon that only does 20 damage and you carry two of them be overpowered especially when you have to be close enough to throw it? Logic does not back your statements ---
**Author:** ![B3ANTOWN\_B3A5T](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/b3antown_b3a5t/32/101262_2.png) [@B3ANTOWN\_B3A5T](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/B3ANTOWN_B3A5T)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/11 "2016-06-13T23:09:00Z")
> [@ilikem14](#): > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > > > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > > > > > > > ther is literaly nothing to bwhine about. > > > > > > > > that’s your opinion. > > > > > > OK wiseguy what it there that deserves whining about? > > > > Anything people don’t like, for instance. > > But logically how can you call something overpowered with no logical rhetoric to back your statement? > For example: AT grenades are OP according to one person. How can a weapon that only does 20 damage and you carry two of them be overpowered especially when you have to be close enough to throw it? > > Logic does not back your statements I had the same kneejerk reaction from watching the stream. The way the stream was jumping around so fast it seemed like one or two tank grenades were enough to take the tanks out, but in reality it was just the killing blow. ---
**Author:** ![ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/aeb1de/32.png) [@ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ilikem14)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 11:13pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/12 "2016-06-13T23:13:00Z")
> [@B3ANTOWN\_\_B3A5T](#): > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > ther is literaly nothing to bwhine about. > > > > > > > > > > that’s your opinion. > > > > > > > > OK wiseguy what it there that deserves whining about? > > > > > > Anything people don’t like, for instance. > > > > But logically how can you call something overpowered with no logical rhetoric to back your statement? > > For example: AT grenades are OP according to one person. How can a weapon that only does 20 damage and you carry two of them be overpowered especially when you have to be close enough to throw it? > > > > Logic does not back your statements > > I had the same kneejerk reaction from watching the stream. The way the stream was jumping around so fast it seemed like one or two tank grenades were enough to take the tanks out, but in reality it was just the killing blow. yes but in that particular moment, a swarm of people were throwing a volley of those grenades. you only need 5 to kill a tank and three people with those will kill a tank ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/13 "2016-06-13T23:15:00Z")
> [@ilikem14](#): > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > > > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > > > > > > > ther is literaly nothing to bwhine about. > > > > > > > > that’s your opinion. > > > > > > OK wiseguy what it there that deserves whining about? > > > > Anything people don’t like, for instance. > > But logically how can you call something overpowered with no logical rhetoric to back your statement? > For example: AT grenades are OP according to one person. How can a weapon that only does 20 damage and you carry two of them be overpowered especially when you have to be close enough to throw it? > > Logic does not back your statements Because that person is a tanker approaching the situation as if every class will be able to equip them, and several people will be throwing them at the tank at one time - essentially preventing a tank (or any ground vehicle for that matter) from entering CQB AT ALL without being nearly instantly destroyed. The guy in question also said that if the grenades are limited only to the assault class like others are claiming, that he’d be perfectly fine with the grenades how they are now. You can’t include part of his criticism and leave out other parts of it to make him seem like his criticism is 100% speculatory and stupid. It’s a legitimate criticism - if anti-vehicle grenades are available to all classes, a huge chunk of players every match are going to be using them merely because of how powerful vehicles CAN be and because you can kill infantry easily with it as well. You can already destroy tank treads with them, making them a sitting duck for any explosives, so if EVERY class can use them, two people of ANY class can toss both their grenades at a tank and it will be disabled with only TWENTY health left within like 2 seconds. Leaving it able to be blown up by pretty much any passing vehicle or player with an anti-tank grenade, dynamite, or anti-tank rifle with literally no opposition. You also have to take into account all the other ways you can blow up tanks in the game as well. They’re a bit squishier than in past BF games. If you limit the grenades to one class, that’s much less likely to happen. Your health isn’t going to be nearly depleted just because two players of ANY class managed to throw a grenade at a huge target. ---
**Author:** ![ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/aeb1de/32.png) [@ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ilikem14)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/14 "2016-06-13T23:21:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > > > > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > ther is literaly nothing to bwhine about. > > > > > > > > > > that’s your opinion. > > > > > > > > OK wiseguy what it there that deserves whining about? > > > > > > Anything people don’t like, for instance. > > > > But logically how can you call something overpowered with no logical rhetoric to back your statement? > > For example: AT grenades are OP according to one person. How can a weapon that only does 20 damage and you carry two of them be overpowered especially when you have to be close enough to throw it? > > > > Logic does not back your statements > > Because that person is a tanker approaching the situation as if every class will be able to equip them, and several people will be throwing them at the tank at one time - essentially preventing a tank (or any ground vehicle for that matter) from entering CQB AT ALL without being nearly instantly destroyed. > > The guy in question also said that if the grenades are limited only to the assault class like others are claiming, that he’d be perfectly fine with the grenades how they are now. You can’t include part of his criticism and leave out other parts of it to make him seem like his criticism is 100% speculatory and stupid. > > It’s a legitimate criticism - if anti-vehicle grenades are available to all classes, a huge chunk of players every match are going to be using them merely because of how powerful vehicles CAN be and because you can kill infantry easily with it as well. > > You can already destroy tank treads with them, making them a sitting duck for any explosives, so if EVERY class can use them, two people of ANY class can toss both their grenades at a tank and it will be disabled with only TWENTY health left within like 2 seconds. Leaving it able to be blown up by pretty much any passing vehicle or player with an anti-tank grenade, dynamite, or anti-tank rifle with literally no opposition. You also have to take into account all the other ways you can blow up tanks in the game as well. They’re a bit squishier than in past BF games. > > If you limit the grenades to one class, that’s much less likely to happen. Your health isn’t going to be nearly depleted just because two players of ANY class managed to throw a grenade at a huge target. Well still most people wine with little logic to back their claims and just wine to wine. the above statement may be true but not only do we not have all the details but this is the pre alpha build still. ---
**Author:** ![Nobel83-9](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/nobel83-9/32/102968_2.png) [@Nobel83-9](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Nobel83-9)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/15 "2016-06-13T23:24:00Z")
> [@Sir-xer21](#): > > This post was cancer. Total utter cancer. Poolshark PLEASE come back now. ---
**Author:** ![Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/loqtrall/32/100975_2.png) [@Loqtrall](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Loqtrall)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 11:29pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/16 "2016-06-13T23:29:00Z")
Though it’s the pre-alpha build, it is representative of gameplay that EA and DICE felt was complete enough to show to millions of people publicly, at a scheduled event that they put together and invited over a dozen celebrities to. Expecting people not to criticize some aspects just because it’s Pre-Alpha is naive thinking. For instance - look at the Announcer’s Voice - pretty much everybody hates it. For all we know, if everyone just shut up about it because it’s the pre-alpha, they could take that as a sign that nobody hates it, and keep it in the full game. You’re essentially saying “Stop whining now, you’ll have plenty of time to whine later” - but it doesn’t matter because the whining is going to go on from the time the gameplay is revealed, to the time the very last person stops playing Battlefield 1 years from now. If there’s something someone doesn’t like in a game - and there’s a forum dedicated to people expressing their concerns about the game - they have ever right to whine about it, just as you have the right you’re expressing now by whining about people who whine. ---
**Author:** ![Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@Rev0verDrive](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Rev0verDrive)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/17 "2016-06-13T23:31:00Z")
kinda the point of pre-alpha, alpha and beta preview/releases. ---
**Author:** ![ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/aeb1de/32.png) [@ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ilikem14)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 11:37pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/18 "2016-06-13T23:37:00Z")
> [@Loqtrall](#): > > Though it’s the pre-alpha build, it is representative of gameplay that EA and DICE felt was complete enough to show to millions of people publicly, at a scheduled event that they put together and invited over a dozen celebrities to. > > Expecting people not to criticize some aspects just because it’s Pre-Alpha is naive thinking. > > For instance - look at the Announcer’s Voice - pretty much everybody hates it. For all we know, if everyone just shut up about it because it’s the pre-alpha, they could take that as a sign that nobody hates it, and keep it in the full game. > > You’re essentially saying “Stop whining now, you’ll have plenty of time to whine later” - but it doesn’t matter because the whining is going to go on from the time the gameplay is revealed, to the time the very last person stops playing Battlefield 1 years from now. > > If there’s something someone doesn’t like in a game - and there’s a forum dedicated to people expressing their concerns about the game - they have ever right to whine about it, just as you have the right you’re expressing now by whining about people who whine. Did you honestly think the announcer wasnt a place holder? Thats it I quit ---
**Author:** ![Seabees4Life](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/a9adbd/32.png) [@Seabees4Life](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Seabees4Life)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/19 "2016-06-13T23:42:00Z")
Most opinions are thought out and presented well. They just aren’t received as such. ---
**Author:** ![ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/aeb1de/32.png) [@ilikem14](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ilikem14)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 11:45pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975/20 "2016-06-13T23:45:00Z")
> [@ilikem14](#): > > > [@B3ANTOWN\_\_B3A5T](#): > > > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > > > > [@Loqtrall](#): > > > > > > > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@Sir-xer21](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@ilikem14](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ther is literaly nothing to bwhine about. > > > > > > > > > > > > that’s your opinion. > > > > > > > > > > OK wiseguy what it there that deserves whining about? > > > > > > > > Anything people don’t like, for instance. > > > > > > But logically how can you call something overpowered with no logical rhetoric to back your statement? > > > For example: AT grenades are OP according to one person. How can a weapon that only does 20 damage and you carry two of them be overpowered especially when you have to be close enough to throw it? > > > > > > Logic does not back your statements > > > > I had the same kneejerk reaction from watching the stream. The way the stream was jumping around so fast it seemed like one or two tank grenades were enough to take the tanks out, but in reality it was just the killing blow. > > yes but in that particular moment, a swarm of people were throwing a volley of those grenades. you only need 5 to kill a tank and three people with those will kill a tank Also I just checked only assault gets AT grenades [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-cant-criticism-be-constructive-legitamate-and-meaningful/101975.md?page=2)