# Why has Spotting been changed **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 10, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784 "2018-09-10T06:20:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MrsSwankyBlum](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mrsswankyblum/32/106979_2.png) [@MrsSwankyBlum](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MrsSwankyBlum)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/1 "2018-09-10T06:20:00Z")
Hi, Just got the BFV beta today and I am not impressed. It feels a lot more like COD and not the Battlefield that I have loved and played for years. A big part of my distaste I feel is because BFV has changed its spotting mechanics. Why the hell did this have to be changed. Now we have people just camping and sneaking up on each other. It genuinely sucks and takes fun away from the game. I’ll probably just stick with BF1 or find a new game if this very significant mechanics isn’t fixed. ---
**Author:** ![StompAGirl](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@StompAGirl](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/StompAGirl)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 6:32am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/2 "2018-09-10T06:32:00Z")
> [@MrsSwankyBlum](#): > > Hi, > > Just got the BFV beta today and I am not impressed. It feels a lot more like COD and not the Battlefield that I have loved and played for years. > A big part of my distaste I feel is because BFV has changed its spotting mechanics. Why the hell did this have to be changed. Now we have people just camping and sneaking up on each other. It genuinely sucks and takes fun away from the game. > > I’ll probably just stick with BF1 or find a new game if this very significant mechanics isn’t fixed. Spotting is the most contentious part for me too, because that was so vital to my play style. Probably to everyone’s play style. It really was a key part of situational awareness. I’m willing to give it a chance, but if anything makes me lose interest in the game I think it’ll be related to spotting and how it affects game play (or rather how the lack of it affects game play). Funny experiment, and I recommend anyone try this, it’s hysterical … in the assault mode where people are charging up the hill to take the objective, sneak around behind them, and then charge up the hill with them, or sneak into their midst and stand beside a tree FACING THE OBJECTIVE as if you were one of the players on their team. Literally nobody notices, they’ll run right by you, you can stand there for minutes at a time until a more veteran player sees you. I was standing at the bottom of that hill, and not far from it, in the middle of at least 10 enemy players, facing the same direction they were, using a spotting scope to light them all up and watching my team pop over the hill to take them out .. it was hysterical. ---
**Author:** ![crabman169](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/crabman169/32/101567_2.png) [@crabman169](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/crabman169)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 6:40am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/3 "2018-09-10T06:40:00Z")
Have you played cod? Oh look another one who can’t play the game without their 3d spotting crutch Hmmm.. Funnily enough you can still spot and even mark areas. Scout can use their binos to 3D spot without even needing to press a button and they just drown in points ---
**Author:** ![DrunkOnRedWine](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/drunkonredwine/32/101790_2.png) [@DrunkOnRedWine](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/DrunkOnRedWine)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 7:38am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/4 "2018-09-10T07:38:00Z")
I haven’t got the hang of the new spotting wheel at all. I’m useless with it and half the time I get killed using it. I’m refraining from using it as it’s not intuitive to me atm. ---
**Author:** ![xXTDMasterXx](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/74df32/32.png) [@xXTDMasterXx](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/xXTDMasterXx)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 7:46am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/5 "2018-09-10T07:46:00Z")
Actually the idea of no spotting is great.. finally players need to show skills and not chasing a point to kill. ---
**Author:** ![StompAGirl](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@StompAGirl](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/StompAGirl)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 7:50am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/6 "2018-09-10T07:50:00Z")
> [@xXTDMasterXx](#): > > Actually the idea of no spotting is great.. finally players need to show skills and not chasing a point to kill. It’s definitely more challenging. I’m starting to pick up on it. ---
**Author:** ![StompAGirl](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@StompAGirl](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/StompAGirl)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 7:51am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/7 "2018-09-10T07:51:00Z")
> [@DrunkOnRedWine](#): > > I haven’t got the hang of the new spotting wheel at all. I’m useless with it and half the time I get killed using it. I’m refraining from using it as it’s not intuitive to me atm. I’m not even sure what this means, spotting wheel ? I’m sure its just a name for something I’m already using, but I’m not sure what. ---
**Author:** ![BCC-GK1llA913](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/bcc-gk1lla913/32/101303_2.png) [@BCC-GK1llA913](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BCC-GK1llA913)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 8:32am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/8 "2018-09-10T08:32:00Z")
Bump bump ---
**Author:** ![SirBobdk](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/sirbobdk/32/103491_2.png) [@SirBobdk](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/SirBobdk)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 8:37am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/9 "2018-09-10T08:37:00Z")
I like that 3d spotting is gone and the more you play the more you will find out that is quit possible to play without. It gives campers an advantage, but it also gives PTFO players an advantage. ---
**Author:** ![StompAGirl](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@StompAGirl](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/StompAGirl)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 8:50am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/10 "2018-09-10T08:50:00Z")
> [@staRS-SirBob](#): > > I like that 3d spotting is gone and the more you play the more you will find out that is quit possible to play without. > It gives campers an advantage, but it also gives PTFO players an advantage. Hard core players have done it forever, so it has to be possible. I’m actually excited about that part, that it might make playing hard core easier once you get used to it. That was what I had the most trouble with when trying to play hardcore in BF 4. ---
**Author:** ![ABC-Warrior-real](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@ABC-Warrior-real](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ABC-Warrior-real)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 12:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/11 "2018-09-10T12:33:00Z")
After playing for a while, I had pretty much forgotten about the old spotting mechanic, this one makes more sense. Why should an enemy be highlighted and tracked for the entire opposing team to see? Marking where someone “was” or where a group was seen makes for more exciting play. It also means a squad can properly flank an objective without big arrows over their heads just because someone happened to spot them. This time, the enemy know we’re in the area, but not precisely where. ---
**Author:** ![MogwaiWarrior](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mogwaiwarrior/32/102838_2.png) [@MogwaiWarrior](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MogwaiWarrior)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 12:41pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/12 "2018-09-10T12:41:00Z")
Who knows why spotting has been changed? Who knows why the Attrition system was added? Sorry but it makes the game tedious without it. If you like the new system, good for you, but a lot of people don’t. ---
**Author:** ![TropicPoison](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tropicpoison/32/103892_2.png) [@TropicPoison](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TropicPoison)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 12:42pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/13 "2018-09-10T12:42:00Z")
> [@crabman169](#): > > Have you played cod? > > Oh look another one who can’t play the game without their 3d spotting crutch > > Hmmm.. > > Funnily enough you can still spot and even mark areas. Scout can use their binos to 3D spot without even needing to press a button and they just drown in points You can’t say you haven’t spotted a ton in past BF games you’re being kind of a hypocrite here saying that, I spotted a hell of a lot I would go as far as to say that I had more spotting medals than anyone in most matches I play in other BF games. Oh man now I’m getting flashbacks of pushing campers off rooftops with my MAV… ---
**Author:** ![StompAGirl](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@StompAGirl](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/StompAGirl)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 12:54pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/14 "2018-09-10T12:54:00Z")
> [@ABC-Warrior-real](#): > > After playing for a while, I had pretty much forgotten about the old spotting mechanic, this one makes more sense. Why should an enemy be highlighted and tracked for the entire opposing team to see? Marking where someone “was” or where a group was seen makes for more exciting play. It also means a squad can properly flank an objective without big arrows over their heads just because someone happened to spot them. This time, the enemy know we’re in the area, but not precisely where. I actually think spotting is fairly realistic. I know how that sounds - what do you mean STOMP A GIRL … there’s no way a person would run around with a red triangle above their head in a real life war. True … but in a real life war, people would be yelling at each other, motioning to one another to watch out in a particular direction, looking around at each other and asking questions with hand signs to see where the enemy is, talking on the radio with one another, there would be a command structure, there would be intel, … we have basically NONE of that in game. Sure, you can voice chat with your own squad, but that’s nothing like what it would be like if you were literally in a war, standing shoulder to shoulder with people, and someone caught sight of someone running along a hedge row. Just seeing an enemy soldier somewhere would set off a chain reaction of people informing other people around them, their command, etc, that enemy had been seen … and in that sense I think the spotting mechanic in a game like BF 1 does a pretty good job of simulating that kind of information. It’s a way, with a simple button click, for us to simulate yelling out to everyone that he’s “over there …!” while pointing, calling the CO on the radio, people marking positions on maps, etc. It’s a kind of short hand in game that has the same basic effect as all of that to provide situational awareness. In real life, troops that are seen by their opponents are reported, and once they’ve been spotted people often keep track of their movements, try to keep an eye on them, or engage them. Think about how you feel now in the Beta, when you are standing there with 10 of your team mates around you and you see an enemy RIGHT THERE .. and you WISH you could just say HEY EVERYBODY HE IS RIGHT THERE SHOOT HIM, but there’s just no way to do it, because spotting is now gone. In real life you’d call attention to the enemy and EVERYONE would look that way and see him. Spotting accomplishes that same end. Even when you have a squad on voice communications (rare) that doesn’t accomplish the same thing .. because you’re like having to describe where the enemy is, he’s over there! Beside the .. uhh … I guess that’s north, next to that little white fence, beside the tree. What tree. That tree over there . … no not that tree, the other fence and tree. It’s comedy to do on the voice thing what could EASILY be done in real life where you’d just motion in a particular direction and maybe whisper .. “over there” and everybody would easily know wtf you were talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Shadders\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Shadders\_X](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Shadders_X)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/15 "2018-09-10T13:05:00Z")
> [@ABC-Warrior-real](#): > > After playing for a while, I had pretty much forgotten about the old spotting mechanic, this one makes more sense. Why should an enemy be highlighted and tracked for the entire opposing team to see? Marking where someone “was” or where a group was seen makes for more exciting play. It also means a squad can properly flank an objective without big arrows over their heads just because someone happened to spot them. This time, the enemy know we’re in the area, but not precisely where. Hi, No one talks - i have never heard someone talk on BF4, or in the BF V beta. So spotting was an excellent way to tell others on the team that there were enemies in their vicinity. The spot tag did not last forever. So spotting countered the issue that no one talks in squads or to each other. To counter this, you have to sneak around, or camp - but then, the slow turning of the players means you cannot react to people coming up behind you. What this does is make you camp in a corner without significant flank points, or run and gun. Regards, Shadders\_X. ---
**Author:** ![JillyforDaWin](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/a5b964/32.png) [@JillyforDaWin](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JillyforDaWin)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/16 "2018-09-10T13:27:00Z")
Spotting is for scrubs and I’ve no idea why it was even introduced to begin with. It’s legitimately the reason that I will buy BF5. If they reintroduce it I won’t pick it up unless hardcore is implemented properly. 2Lplay ---
**Author:** ![StompAGirl](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@StompAGirl](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/StompAGirl)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/17 "2018-09-10T13:31:00Z")
> [@JillyforDaWin](#): > > Spotting is for scrubs and I’ve no idea why it was even introduced to begin with. > > It’s legitimately the reason that I will buy BF5. If they reintroduce it I won’t pick it up unless hardcore is implemented properly. > > 2Lplay Hard core is for scrubs. Real players join the actual army. ---
**Author:** ![UsainskiSemperFi](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/usainskisemperfi/32/103953_2.png) [@UsainskiSemperFi](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/UsainskiSemperFi)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/18 "2018-09-10T13:31:00Z")
No 3D spotting = SUPER fine! ---
**Author:** ![JillyforDaWin](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/a5b964/32.png) [@JillyforDaWin](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/JillyforDaWin)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/19 "2018-09-10T13:43:00Z")
> [@StompAGirl](#): > > > [@JillyforDaWin](#): > > > > Spotting is for scrubs and I’ve no idea why it was even introduced to begin with. > > > > It’s legitimately the reason that I will buy BF5. If they reintroduce it I won’t pick it up unless hardcore is implemented properly. > > > > 2Lplay > > Hard core is for scrubs. Real players join the actual army. No wars currently worth dying for. ---
**Author:** ![moosehunter1969](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/2acd7d/32.png) [@moosehunter1969](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/moosehunter1969)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:04pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784/20 "2018-09-10T14:04:00Z")
> [@MrsSwankyBlum](#): > > Hi, > > Just got the BFV beta today and I am not impressed. It feels a lot more like COD and not the Battlefield that I have loved and played for years. > A big part of my distaste I feel is because BFV has changed its spotting mechanics. Why the hell did this have to be changed. Now we have people just camping and sneaking up on each other. It genuinely sucks and takes fun away from the game. > > I’ll probably just stick with BF1 or find a new game if this very significant mechanics isn’t fixed. Have you ever played COD? It’s nothing like it. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-has-spotting-been-changed/105784.md?page=2)