# Why is the anti aircraft gun so useless??? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 30, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252 "2019-08-30T16:31:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Andretti2014](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@Andretti2014](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Andretti2014)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/1 "2019-08-30T16:31:00Z")
I see a flimsy fighter coming straight at me. Not a stuka, not a bomber. A fighter. I start unloading with the 20mm AA gun into him. I hit ALL of my shots. I get hit marker on all of them. Right into his engine, not nearby. I keep firing until the gun overheats and stops firing. He fires a couple of rockets at me and I die. WHAT THE ACTUAL IS THIS BAD JOKE??? ---
**Author:** ![BlazrOne](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/blazrone/32/106512_2.png) [@BlazrOne](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BlazrOne)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/2 "2019-08-30T16:36:00Z")
Even worse with bombers. But you know, pilots whine when they cant go 104-2 every game. BF 3 chopper pilots would rage when shot out of the sky. Hasn’t changed much. Although, bf-1 aa seemed to work. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![ChickenTheTank](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/f6c823/32.png) [@ChickenTheTank](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ChickenTheTank)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/3 "2019-08-30T16:36:00Z")
If you want to kill airplanes when they make one pass, and you’re not getting help, the only chance is the support engineer combat role. Even then if the fighter uses its insta- repair well, and has an armor spec, you might not. ---
**Author:** ![YourLocalPlumber](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/yourlocalplumber/32/103277_2.png) [@YourLocalPlumber](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/YourLocalPlumber)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/4 "2019-08-30T16:40:00Z")
Because a single player should not be able to take out a plane on his own. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Hamish](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/34f0e0/32.png) [@Uncle\_Hamish](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Uncle_Hamish)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/5 "2019-08-30T17:14:00Z")
> [@YourLocalPlumber](#): > > Because a single player should not be able to take out a plane on his own. > > Just like a single player should not be able to take out a tank on his own, but they do. ---
**Author:** ![Noodlesocks](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/noodlesocks/32/101045_2.png) [@Noodlesocks](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Noodlesocks)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/6 "2019-08-30T17:16:00Z")
They buffed it in a patch and it was OP so Dice Sweden does as Dice Sweden often does and overreacted with the nerf and now it has been useless for months while they try to fix all the bugs they’ve introduced with patches. ---
**Author:** ![Noodlesocks](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/noodlesocks/32/101045_2.png) [@Noodlesocks](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Noodlesocks)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/7 "2019-08-30T17:19:00Z")
> [@YourLocalPlumber](#): > > Because a single player should not be able to take out a plane on his own. That’s like saying the Pak 40 shouldn’t be able to kill a tank. ---
**Author:** ![CSO7777](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@CSO7777](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/CSO7777)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/8 "2019-08-30T17:52:00Z")
> [@YourLocalPlumber](#): > > Because a single player should not be able to take out a plane on his own. We had this in BF1 (AA was ok but very easy to counter for good pilots) and the “vehicles” often wen’t 100-2 (both tanks and planes). The game should be balanced for all players, and the system in BFV is probably the best Dice has made yet (balancing wise). It removes kill-farming for vehicle-players and some of the fear of vehicles for infantry, but it was really stupid in BF3/BF4/BF1 on some maps. Most players play infantry anyway, why should they not have as much fun as vehicle players? Fjell is like playing BF1 all over again and it probably is the most hated map in BFV. ---
**Author:** ![Andretti2014](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@Andretti2014](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Andretti2014)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 5:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/9 "2019-08-30T17:59:00Z")
> [@CSO7777](#): > > > [@YourLocalPlumber](#): > > > > Because a single player should not be able to take out a plane on his own. > > We had this in BF1 (AA was ok but very easy to counter for good pilots) and the “vehicles” often wen’t 100-2 (both tanks and planes). The game should be balanced for all players, and the system in BFV is probably the best Dice has made yet (balancing wise). It removes kill-farming for vehicle-players and some of the fear of vehicles for infantry, but it was really stupid in BF3/BF4/BF1 on some maps. > > Most players play infantry anyway, why should they not have as much fun as vehicle players? > > Fjell is like playing BF1 all over again and it probably is the most hated map in BFV. BF 5 has the best balance system? So a guy in the lightest plane is basically immortal and is free to kill anyone on the ground instantly. Don’t give me the “use multiple AAs to take down planes” crap. Have you even played the game? Nobody coordinates anything. Everyone plays for himself. ---
**Author:** ![Matty101yttam](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@Matty101yttam](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Matty101yttam)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/10 "2019-08-30T18:00:00Z")
> [@YourLocalPlumber](#): > > Because a single player should not be able to take out a plane on his own. Why not? It’s an anti aircraft gun made for anti-ing aircraft, why should infantry be at the mercy of aircraft and tanks because aircraft and tanks are powerful against infantry but weapon systems designed with purely combating those vehicles not be powerful. Why should planes hold a special place in the game to make pilots feel better? If you ask most people, WW2 was just as much about the defenses as the vehicles, maybe even more so. ---
**Author:** ![jbrasher02](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/ecd19e/32.png) [@jbrasher02](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/jbrasher02)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/11 "2019-08-30T18:13:00Z")
Or learn to fly and go shoot him down yourself instead of complaining. Much more rewarding ---
**Author:** ![Andretti2014](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@Andretti2014](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Andretti2014)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/12 "2019-08-30T18:38:00Z")
> [@](#): > > > [@jbrasher02](#): > > > > Or learn to fly and go shoot him down yourself instead of complaining. Much more rewarding > > You mean, afk spam on the plane? Or even better use a macro, considering how many cheaters and people with untraceable scripts are in this video game. You are never going to get in the plane by simply respawning and hoping one is available. Did you even play the game? Or are we talking about different video games? ---
**Author:** ![PackersDK](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ac91a4/32.png) [@PackersDK](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PackersDK)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/13 "2019-08-30T18:45:00Z")
> [@](#): > > > [@YourLocalPlumber](#): > > > > Because a single player should not be able to take out a plane on his own. > > It simply has to be able to do it, at least under favorable circumstances, otherwise what is the point? As it is now, planes can simply ignore AA even in head on engagements. In fact, I often experienced planes getting fed up with me “tickling” them with AA, and go directly after the AA mount. > > To be fair, it’s not just a matter of poor AA damage, but also plane repair mechanics and AA placement with poor fields of fire. > > I get that BF is a game of coorporation and team play. But it just CAN’T be a 3 man project to take EVERY plane down. Some maps have 3 enemy planes, and they keep respawning. > > Bad pilot decisions HAS to be able to be punished. Like bad attack angles or pushing attacks on AA manned objectives. ---
**Author:** ![YourLocalPlumber](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/yourlocalplumber/32/103277_2.png) [@YourLocalPlumber](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/YourLocalPlumber)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/14 "2019-08-30T18:53:00Z")
> [@Uncle\_Hamish](#): > > > [@YourLocalPlumber](#): > > > > Because a single player should not be able to take out a plane on his own. > > > > Just like a single player should not be able to take out a tank on his own, but they do. Yes and because of it tanks are coffins on tracks in this BF5. You want planes to be even more useless than they are right now? ---
**Author:** ![chinook240](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/dec6dc/32.png) [@chinook240](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/chinook240)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/15 "2019-08-30T19:19:00Z")
Totally agree, even if you manage a hit, they simply fly to the edge of the map, heal, rearm and come back and kill you before they are in range of the AA gun. If used in the ground role the 20mm HE shell from an AA gun should be lethal, but no, you have pump dozens at infantry to get a kill. However, a single pistol bullet is instadeath. Discussed on the PC forum: forums.battlefield.com/en-us/discussion/191653/aa-so-ineffective ---
**Author:** ![PrecisionWing](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/precisionwing/32/103161_2.png) [@PrecisionWing](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/PrecisionWing)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/16 "2019-08-30T20:23:00Z")
> [@chinook240](#): > > Totally agree, even if you manage a hit, they simply fly to the edge of the map, heal, rearm and come back and kill you before they are in range of the AA gun. > > If used in the ground role the 20mm HE shell from an AA gun should be lethal, but no, you have pump dozens at infantry to get a kill. However, a single pistol bullet is instadeath. > > Discussed on the PC forum: > forums.battlefield.com/en-us/discussion/191653/aa-so-ineffective Lol, do you know why planes go all the way to the edge of the map? Because one comping AA from uncap can cover most of the battlefield in most maps. AA already being buffed in the last patch ---
**Author:** ![TropicPoison](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/tropicpoison/32/103892_2.png) [@TropicPoison](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/TropicPoison)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/17 "2019-08-30T20:36:00Z")
> [@YourLocalPlumber](#): > > Because a single player should not be able to take out a plane on his own. What’s the point of having AA then? A single bomber pilot shouldn’t be able to take out a tank or any vehicle solo then with this logic, same goes for assault players they shouldn’t be able to take out a tank solo but they can and do. Also funny you could solo and destroy aircraft by yourself in BF3 and BF1 with AA. ---
**Author:** ![ChickenTheTank](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/f6c823/32.png) [@ChickenTheTank](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ChickenTheTank)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/18 "2019-08-30T21:52:00Z")
> [@TropicPoison](#): > > > [@YourLocalPlumber](#): > > > > Because a single player should not be able to take out a plane on his own. > > What’s the point of having AA then? A single bomber pilot shouldn’t be able to take out a tank or any vehicle solo then with this logic, same goes for assault players they shouldn’t be able to take out a tank solo but they can and do. > > Also funny you could solo and destroy aircraft by yourself in BF3 and BF1 with AA. Well for one, single AA guns rarely shot down planes. AA batteries were only effective if you could cover a large mass of land with a multitude of AA cannons all firing virtually non stop to combat planes. And between all the lock-on launchers and vehicle gadgets, players in BF3 were rarely seen to solo planes and choppers with AA. Oh and I forget the automated spawn AA too. ---
**Author:** ![fragnstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/fragnstein/32/106687_2.png) [@fragnstein](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/fragnstein)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 10:09pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/19 "2019-08-30T22:09:00Z")
AA needs to be able to kill the pilot through the windshield if the plane wants to go toe to toe with an AA > [@PrecisionWing](#): > > > [@chinook240](#): > > > > Totally agree, even if you manage a hit, they simply fly to the edge of the map, heal, rearm and come back and kill you before they are in range of the AA gun. > > > > If used in the ground role the 20mm HE shell from an AA gun should be lethal, but no, you have pump dozens at infantry to get a kill. However, a single pistol bullet is instadeath. > > > > Discussed on the PC forum: > > forums.battlefield.com/en-us/discussion/191653/aa-so-ineffective > > Lol, do you know why planes go all the way to the edge of the map? Because one comping AA from uncap can cover most of the battlefield in most maps. > AA already being buffed in the last patch The shots don’t do squat though ---
**Author:** ![MBT\_Layzan](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mbt_layzan/32/102770_2.png) [@MBT\_Layzan](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/MBT_Layzan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 11:50pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252/20 "2019-08-30T23:50:00Z")
Just out of interest what was the best AA vs plane balance in a BF game? I know it’s defiantly not BFV. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/why-is-the-anti-aircraft-gun-so-useless/107252.md?page=2)