# Will BF1 cater to cheaters and clan stackers like BF4 did? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 8, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979 "2016-05-08T23:49:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BuffArms\_BF](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/ecb155/32.png) [@BuffArms\_BF](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BuffArms_BF)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/1 "2016-05-08T23:49:00Z")
Will BF1 have official servers that: 1. Do not allow any voting or moderation to remove cheaters. 2. Do not have auto balance. 3. Allow clan stackers to join a team of 31 while the other team has 26. Will BF1 have unofficial servers that: 1. Prevent clans from cheating. 2. Prevent clans from abusing players. 3. Prevent clans from banning players without cause. BF1 should not repeat the horrible mistakes of BF4. It should offer official servers that: 1. Allows for votekick on majority. Kick remains in place for 30 minutes. 2. Enforces strict auto balance. If team A has 30 players, and team B has 32 players, 1 player from team B is moved to team A. That player is picked at random. These two rules would allow for cheaters to be dealt with, would break up clan stacks, would create an environment for the regular player to succeed. Why should BF have to cater to cheaters and clan stacks? They are the minority. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/2 "2016-05-08T23:51:00Z")
Nothing prevents anyone from cheating. Anti cheat just mitigates it as hackers will always be able to find loopholes. If you cannot deal with that, maybe playing multiplayer games on PC isnt for you Also, there is a persistent squad system, so if you join as a squad, you will not leave that squad no matter what ---
**Author:** ![BuffArms\_BF](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/ecb155/32.png) [@BuffArms\_BF](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BuffArms_BF)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/3 "2016-05-08T23:53:00Z")
> @ThePoolshark said: > Nothing prevents anyone from cheating. Anti cheat just mitigates it as hackers will always be able to find loopholes. If you cannot deal with that, maybe playing multiplayer games on PC isnt for you Being able to remove the cheater prevents them from cheating. A simple vote kick option would allow this. Which is why Vote Kick has been a staple of MP games for decades. And that line about if you cannot deal… how did you get moderator? You are a child. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Spider](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/ee59a6/32.png) [@Red\_Spider](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Red_Spider)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 11:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/4 "2016-05-08T23:55:00Z")
Nothing has been announced yet regarding multiplayer features. I suspect that if there is any information regarding this, it will be announced a little further down the line. Keep checking here and follow the official Battlefield social channels to get the latest intel! ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 11:56pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/5 "2016-05-08T23:56:00Z")
No, I am a realist. Some servers don’t want vote kick, don’t play on those servers ---
**Author:** ![BuffArms\_BF](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/ecb155/32.png) [@BuffArms\_BF](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BuffArms_BF)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/6 "2016-05-09T00:00:00Z")
> @ThePoolshark said: > No, I am a realist. Some servers don’t want vote kick, don’t play on those servers That is stupid. Official is a type set by DICE, not the server owners. Official servers that do not allow moderation, should support vote kick, to support an environment that does not leave the players with any recourse against cheating. That’s the whole point. You are not creating an argument against having vote kick on Official, you are just being a . But I guess that is how you get mod at a forum run by EA. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 12:02am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/7 "2016-05-09T00:02:00Z")
So, don’t play on official servers. Play on servers that allow for your type of fun. How dare clans who bought the game to play together do exactly that? Who are you to tell them they can’t? They paid the same money you did. You have a really simple choice, play a different server ---
**Author:** ![Marviken](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/marviken/32/102750_2.png) [@Marviken](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Marviken)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 12:03am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/8 "2016-05-09T00:03:00Z")
No, auto balance should not be random. Playing with friends should not be a pain, BF should be about team play and that is almost only possible with friends. Clan stack can be a problem at times, but that is the hole point of BF “teamplay” Votekick should be standard. ---
**Author:** ![BuffArms\_BF](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/ecb155/32.png) [@BuffArms\_BF](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BuffArms_BF)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 12:04am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/9 "2016-05-09T00:04:00Z")
> @ThePoolshark said: > So, don’t play on official servers. Play on servers that allow for your type of fun. How dare clans who bought the game to play together do exactly that? Who are you to tell them they can’t? They paid the same money you did. > > You have a really simple choice, play a different server How about those clans get their own clan server and play on it? Why should Official servers favor clans over the majority of players? Let me guess you are in a clan, and you stack, and like having that unfair advantage, not just in player skill, but in numbers. This is the problem with BF, they let biased children dictate server rules. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 12:06am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/10 "2016-05-09T00:06:00Z")
You are missing the point. These people pay the same money you did. You do not get any more say on their fun as they do yours. It is not on you to dictate if they should have to spend more money on a server. Switch servers… that is all ---
**Author:** ![BuffArms\_BF](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/ecb155/32.png) [@BuffArms\_BF](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BuffArms_BF)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 12:07am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/11 "2016-05-09T00:07:00Z")
The majority of people who bought the game are being made to suffer because the server rules support an unfair anti competitive environment for a minority. Why don’t you support the majority of players, support fair competition? Oh right you are in that biased minority. Which apparently is given power at DICE, and this is why most BF4 official servers are 32 vs 27, with a clan stack and at least 1 cheater per hour. I was just hoping BF1 might not cater to the same jerks. ---
**Author:** ![Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/71c47a/32.png) [@Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Bertominus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 12:08am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/12 "2016-05-09T00:08:00Z")
The problem with vote kicking is that legitimate players can be punished. I’ve been banned from a server for being too good, and I’m sure a lot of players have had this happen with community servers. Vote kicking would only add to this annoyance. Personally, I think dealing with cheaters is the lesser of two evils. Find a good server with active moderators, and you’re set. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/13 "2016-05-09T00:10:00Z")
No, you not being made to suffer. If there was one server, then yea, I would say you are right. There are still hundreds of servers in BF4 alone at 2 and a half years later, any number of those servers are ready to be switched to if you are not having fun. It boils down to this. You are not the fun police. Other people can have fun how they want. If you are in a server where something you don’t like or find fun is happening, you have an ample amount of other places to go ---
**Author:** ![NatsuTerran](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@NatsuTerran](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/NatsuTerran)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 12:13am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/14 "2016-05-09T00:13:00Z")
A lot of times it’s not even clans, but just 4-6 friends who are all very skilled that can dominate a server. The whole point of BF for a ton of people is pubstomping. I certainly wouldn’t touch BF if the only way to play with friends was to fight other people playing with clans and friends. This isn’t supposed to be a competitive e-sports franchise where every game feels even. Get more friends and better skills to stack the odds, that’s the heart and soul of Battlefield. ---
**Author:** ![BuffArms\_BF](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/ecb155/32.png) [@BuffArms\_BF](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BuffArms_BF)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 12:13am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/15 "2016-05-09T00:13:00Z")
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**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/16 "2016-05-09T00:14:00Z")
> [@NatsuTerran](#): > > A lot of times it’s not even clans, but just 4-6 friends who are all very skilled that can dominate a server. The whole point of BF for a ton of people is pubstomping. I certainly wouldn’t touch BF if the only way to play with friends was to fight other people playing with clans and friends. This isn’t supposed to be a competitive e-sports franchise where every game feels even. Get more friends and better skills to stack the odds, that’s the heart and soul of Battlefield. So, am I to gather here that teamwork is OP? The point of the game is to play as a team, if your team isn’t doing that, find a new team ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Spider](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/ee59a6/32.png) [@Red\_Spider](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Red_Spider)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 12:16am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/17 "2016-05-09T00:16:00Z")
> [@Bertominus\_Rex](#): > > The problem with vote kicking is that legitimate players can be punished. I’ve been banned from a server for being too good, and I’m sure a lot of players have had this happen with community servers. Correct! > [@BuffArms\_BF](#): > > The majority of people who bought the game are being made to suffer because the server rules support an unfair anti competitive environment for a minority. Why don’t you support the majority of players, support fair competition? I don’t recall ever being “made to suffer” in Battlefield 4. There are literally hundreds or thousands of servers to choose from, if you feel the one you are on is unfair then simply go on a different server. ---
**Author:** ![ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/thepoolshark/32/103801_2.png) [@ThePoolshark](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ThePoolshark)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 12:16am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/18 "2016-05-09T00:16:00Z")
See, this is the part where you are even more wrong in your point. Teamwork is the point of the game. Cheating is not. Servers are designed to allow for people to have fun how they want within the limits of the rules and conduct. This is why the internet is a terrible place, people cannot see differing opinion without taking at as a personal slight. ---
**Author:** ![BuffArms\_BF](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/ecb155/32.png) [@BuffArms\_BF](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/BuffArms_BF)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 12:29am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/19 "2016-05-09T00:29:00Z")
> @ThePoolshark said: So, am I to gather here that teamwork is OP? The point of the game is to play as a team, if your team isn’t doing that, find a new team The lack of auto balance makes it so one team constantly has several more players. 32 vs 27 is OP. Yet that is the norm for official servers on BF4. Are you going to argue having 5 less players is not unfair? Why didn’t you address that? Because no one sane can argue it. The reason why the internet is a terrible place is because people like you are given mod powers; which lets you go around talking out of your rear and then expect people to just accept it. And man is this forum buggy. Quotes not working properly. ---
**Author:** ![Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/71c47a/32.png) [@Bertominus\_Rex](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Bertominus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 12:37am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979/20 "2016-05-09T00:37:00Z")
> @BuffArms_BF said: > > > @ThePoolshark said: > > So, am I to gather here that teamwork is OP? The point of the game is to play as a team, if your team isn’t doing that, find a new team > > The lack of auto balance makes it so one team constantly has several more players. 32 vs 27 is OP. Yet that is the norm for official servers on BF4. Are you going to argue having 5 less players is not unfair? Why didn’t you address that? Because no one sane can argue it. * * * Balance is an issue in every game, even in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. You’ll run into matches where the enemy team is stacked in terms of skill, and there’s nothing to do than hope for a better match up in the future. There are servers that will swap over players to balance the teams. What happens? Those said players get mad at the admins for swapping them over. If you’re on the winning team, it feels unfair to be swapped over. Servers should be balanced, for sure. It’s a tricky thing, though. With Battlefield, you want to swap over squads and not individual players… and you can only do so at the very start of a round otherwise you risk annoying them. Swapping mid-match should be a decision left solely to the player. It’s crummy to be on the losing team when there’s literally no hope of victory, but you just gotta sit it through and hope for a better matchup next match. [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-bf1-cater-to-cheaters-and-clan-stackers-like-bf4-did/100979.md?page=2)