# Will DICE make Firestorm... **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 4, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504 "2019-02-04T23:33:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![1984rage](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/1/ea666f/32.png) [@1984rage](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/1984rage)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/1 "2019-02-04T23:33:00Z")
Will Dice in their Firestorm release pay any homage to the victims of the firestorms unleashed upon German civilians. To have seen their take on history in the rest of Battlefield V I’m worried it will be lacking in content and historical accuracy. This Firestorm Update could open up for Dice to highlight and to honor some lesser known history. After all that seem to have been one of their goals. I only hope their take on it will not be another revison of history. I’m certain DICE can make a powerful experience yet hold true to history too if they choose to. I would love a singleplayer war story trying to deliver a glimpse of the drama which must have taking place there. Article. [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/21/the-firebombing-of-dresden-archive-footage/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/21/the-firebombing-of-dresden-archive-footage/) Here is a video depicting a fraction of the horror and severity of the allied firebombings, AKA Terrorbombings. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtQOa2M3cAs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtQOa2M3cAs) ![91a3hGv0XbL.jpg](https://battlefieldforum.co/uploads/default/original/3X/4/5/45aa314411172b5ecc0507572cc550f3125e6987.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![InnerD](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/innerd/32/106775_2.png) [@InnerD](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/InnerD)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/2 "2019-02-05T00:05:00Z")
doubt it, dice isn’t making firestorm. ---
**Author:** ![suffice\_ls](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@suffice\_ls](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/suffice_ls)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 12:26am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/3 "2019-02-05T00:26:00Z")
Criterion are making it and the pressure is after what launched today! ---
**Author:** ![1984rage](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/1/ea666f/32.png) [@1984rage](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/1984rage)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 11:06am UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/4 "2019-02-05T11:06:00Z")
Oh, so DICE will take their hands off? Oh, well. I hope they start to inject real history in to the coming content anyhow. The real history, the true stories are the most epic. ---
**Author:** ![gherkin12](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/gherkin12/32/106707_2.png) [@gherkin12](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/gherkin12)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/5 "2019-02-05T17:42:00Z")
Well if thats the case you’d have to open a while can of history. It wasn’t the allies that drop incendiary bombs the Axis did as well. Unfortunately war is war and because of accuracy issues back then the most effective way was carpet bombing. Dresden’s issue (possibly along with Hamburg) was that alot of the buildings were of wooden structure and closely packed. Not defending it by all means but both sides were at it. [https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-blitz-around-britain](https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-blitz-around-britain) ---
**Author:** ![Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Stahlmach)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/6 "2019-02-05T17:48:00Z")
> [@gherkin12](#): > > Well if thats the case you’d have to open a while can of history. It wasn’t the allies that drop incendiary bombs the Axis did as well. > > Unfortunately war is war and because of accuracy issues back then the most effective way was carpet bombing. Dresden’s issue (possibly along with Hamburg) was that alot of the buildings were of wooden structure and closely packed. Not defending it by all means but both sides were at it. > > [https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-blitz-around-britain](https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-blitz-around-britain) The sheer scale and the intention although it was clear that it had no effect on moral just speaks a different language. Arthur Harris should have been on trial for war crimes but as always: the Victor writes history… ---
**Author:** ![ElliotLH](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/elliotlh/32/101030_2.png) [@ElliotLH](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ElliotLH)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/7 "2019-02-05T17:53:00Z")
They probably chose the title because it sounded good rather than to reference the firebombings. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see though and it’d be good if there was some thought behind the title. ---
**Author:** ![gherkin12](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/gherkin12/32/106707_2.png) [@gherkin12](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/gherkin12)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/8 "2019-02-05T17:55:00Z")
But if you go down that route as well you’d have to take the US as well with the bombing of Japan. As I say don’t get me wrong what happened wasn’t the greatest (not by a long shot) but if it hadn’t happened would the same potentially have occurred to the UK? Unfortunately though if you was to do that with every conflict you’ll get to a point where when you have a conflict people won’t make the necessary correct decision incase something happens and a whole pile of poo comes there way. I’m actually in the military and you see it everyday, the upper ranks don’t want to make the decisions incase it comes back on them. ---
**Author:** ![warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/warslag/32/101053_2.png) [@warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/warslag)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/9 "2019-02-05T18:00:00Z")
> [@ElliotLH](#): > > They probably chose the title because it sounded good rather than to reference the firebombings. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see though and it’d be good if there was some thought behind the title. It seems to be an unfortunate coincidence. I really hope that’s what it is. I have huge expectations of the battle royal mode. Perhaps they could change the title and issue an apology? I seem to remember hearing or reading somewhere recently, that there were more civilian casualties in Germany as a result of allied bombing, than the sum total of the two atom bombs dropped on Japan. ---
**Author:** ![ElliotLH](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/elliotlh/32/101030_2.png) [@ElliotLH](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/ElliotLH)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/10 "2019-02-05T18:13:00Z")
> [@warslag](#): > > > [@ElliotLH](#): > > > > They probably chose the title because it sounded good rather than to reference the firebombings. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see though and it’d be good if there was some thought behind the title. > > It seems to be an unfortunate coincidence. I really hope that’s what it is. I have huge expectations of the battle royal mode. Perhaps they could change the title and issue an apology? > > I seem to remember hearing or reading somewhere recently, that there were more civilian casualties in Germany as a result of allied bombing, than the sum total of the two atom bombs dropped on Japan. I never knew about the number of civilian casualties so thank you for telling me about that. I’m going to do some reading about that now as unsurprisingly other than a few bits and pieces all I was ever taught in detail at school was the Blitz. Reading that perhaps they should change the title? ---
**Author:** ![mav\_smileyface](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/mav_smileyface/32/102765_2.png) [@mav\_smileyface](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/mav_smileyface)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/11 "2019-02-05T18:17:00Z")
The game mechanic and feel has to be exactly the same.. of it feels completely different to BFV I’ll not play it.. simply because I don’t want to ruin my current aim ---
**Author:** ![Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Stahlmach)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/12 "2019-02-05T18:58:00Z")
> [@warslag](#): > > > [@ElliotLH](#): > > > > They probably chose the title because it sounded good rather than to reference the firebombings. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see though and it’d be good if there was some thought behind the title. > > It seems to be an unfortunate coincidence. I really hope that’s what it is. I have huge expectations of the battle royal mode. Perhaps they could change the title and issue an apology? > > I seem to remember hearing or reading somewhere recently, that there were more civilian casualties in Germany as a result of allied bombing, than the sum total of the two atom bombs dropped on Japan. Of course there were more casualties from the allied bombing than the atomic bombs! Sorry but is that a specific US/British thing that you guys dont know that ? Same on the Pacific. The bombing of Tokyo on march 9/10 1945 alone were higher than the casualties of the atomic bombings! And Tokyo faced six of these massive bombings and countless " smaller " ones. Even Curtis LeMay admitted after the war: " “I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal. Fortunately, we were on the winning side.” And yes the word " Firestorm ", aka " Feuersturm " in german, is heavily connected to Hamburg and Dresden. Looking by the videos i thing is a rather poor choice to use that name for a WW2 game while a gigantic firewall is closing in and burning all in its way. ---
**Author:** ![Gravlar\_SN9](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/3ab097/32.png) [@Gravlar\_SN9](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Gravlar_SN9)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/13 "2019-02-05T19:00:00Z")
> [@warslag](#): > > > [@ElliotLH](#): > > > > They probably chose the title because it sounded good rather than to reference the firebombings. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see though and it’d be good if there was some thought behind the title. > > It seems to be an unfortunate coincidence. I really hope that’s what it is. I have huge expectations of the battle royal mode. Perhaps they could change the title and issue an apology? Ridiculous, what has the world come to? It’s a name clearly referring to the firestorm that will restrict the playing area. What next apologise for including weapons on an FPS which killed people too? ---
**Author:** ![Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Stahlmach)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/14 "2019-02-05T19:05:00Z")
> [@Gravlar\_SN9](#): > > > [@warslag](#): > > > > > [@ElliotLH](#): > > > > > > They probably chose the title because it sounded good rather than to reference the firebombings. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see though and it’d be good if there was some thought behind the title. > > > > It seems to be an unfortunate coincidence. I really hope that’s what it is. I have huge expectations of the battle royal mode. Perhaps they could change the title and issue an apology? > > Ridiculous, what has the world come to? It’s a name clearly referring to the firestorm that will restrict the playing area. > > What next apologise for including weapons on an FPS which killed people too? I am someone who is heavily advocating against the current Zeitgeist of political correctness. And i am for sure not " offended " by that word or the gamemode. They only thing i say is that the german word " Feuersturm " - which is the direct and correct translation of Firestorm is in Germany mostly connected with the bombings of especially Hamburg and Dresden. And looking at the videos showing that its a gigantic Firewall/Firestorm closing in and burning everything on its way, has for sure a sour taste with all that history in mind. Nothing more, nothing less. ---
**Author:** ![parkingbrake](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ee7513/32.png) [@parkingbrake](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/parkingbrake)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/15 "2019-02-05T19:59:00Z")
> [@1984rage](#): > > Will Dice in their Firestorm release pay any homage to the victims of the firestorms unleashed upon German civilians. To have seen their take on history in the rest of Battlefield V I’m worried it will be lacking in content and historical accuracy. This Firestorm Update could open up for Dice to highlight and to honor some lesser known history. After all that seem to have been one of their goals. I only hope their take on it will not be another revison of history. I’m certain DICE can make a powerful experience yet hold true to history too if they choose to. I would love a singleplayer war story trying to deliver a glimpse of the drama which must have taking place there. Obviously you aren’t asking a question about an upcoming game mode, you’re taking the opportunity to make a political statement reflecting your view of history. “Historical accuracy”, LOL, since when is that of the slightest importance in a BF game? ---
**Author:** ![parkingbrake](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/ee7513/32.png) [@parkingbrake](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/parkingbrake)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/16 "2019-02-05T20:10:00Z")
> [@Stahlmach](#): > > > [@gherkin12](#): > > > > Well if thats the case you’d have to open a while can of history. It wasn’t the allies that drop incendiary bombs the Axis did as well. > > > > Unfortunately war is war and because of accuracy issues back then the most effective way was carpet bombing. Dresden’s issue (possibly along with Hamburg) was that alot of the buildings were of wooden structure and closely packed. Not defending it by all means but both sides were at it. > > > > [https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-blitz-around-britain](https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-blitz-around-britain) > > The sheer scale and the intention although it was clear that it had no effect on moral just speaks a different language. > Arthur Harris should have been on trial for war crimes but as always: the Victor writes history… “War is the remedy our enemies have chosen…and I say let us give them all they want.”–W.T. Sherman Or in other words, don’t start nuthin’ and there won’t be nuthin’. ---
**Author:** ![Catsonspeeed](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/catsonspeeed/32/105521_2.png) [@Catsonspeeed](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Catsonspeeed)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/17 "2019-02-05T20:12:00Z")
We would need 796 Lancasters, 9 Mosquitos, and 311 B-17’s to replicate the Firestorm in Dresden. Those planes would have to carry around 4000 tons of bombs, mostly firebombs, and drop them to civilian targets. We would also need around 40 000 players in the receiving end for those bombs. ---
**Author:** ![warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/warslag/32/101053_2.png) [@warslag](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/warslag)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/18 "2019-02-05T20:13:00Z")
> [@parkingbrake](#): > > > [@1984rage](#): > > > > Will Dice in their Firestorm release pay any homage to the victims of the firestorms unleashed upon German civilians. To have seen their take on history in the rest of Battlefield V I’m worried it will be lacking in content and historical accuracy. This Firestorm Update could open up for Dice to highlight and to honor some lesser known history. After all that seem to have been one of their goals. I only hope their take on it will not be another revison of history. I’m certain DICE can make a powerful experience yet hold true to history too if they choose to. I would love a singleplayer war story trying to deliver a glimpse of the drama which must have taking place there. > > Obviously you aren’t asking a question about an upcoming game mode, you’re taking the opportunity to make a political statement reflecting your view of history. > > “Historical accuracy”, LOL, since when is that of the slightest importance in a BF game? I thought he was saying that the Firestorm theme (the fire closing in during battle royal) didn’t take a relevant period of history into account and that the title was insensitive? It is probably true that it is not a particularly well known, understood or accepted aspect of what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Stahlmach](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Stahlmach)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/19 "2019-02-05T20:14:00Z")
> [@parkingbrake](#): > > > [@Stahlmach](#): > > > > > [@gherkin12](#): > > > > > > Well if thats the case you’d have to open a while can of history. It wasn’t the allies that drop incendiary bombs the Axis did as well. > > > > > > Unfortunately war is war and because of accuracy issues back then the most effective way was carpet bombing. Dresden’s issue (possibly along with Hamburg) was that alot of the buildings were of wooden structure and closely packed. Not defending it by all means but both sides were at it. > > > > > > [https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-blitz-around-britain](https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-blitz-around-britain) > > > > The sheer scale and the intention although it was clear that it had no effect on moral just speaks a different language. > > Arthur Harris should have been on trial for war crimes but as always: the Victor writes history… > > “War is the remedy our enemies have chosen…and I say let us give them all they want.”–W.T. Sherman > > Or in other words, don’t start nuthin’ and there won’t be nuthin’. When you continue a military action solely against civilians that shows no positive effect towards your initial military goal, you are simply comiting a war crime. ---
**Author:** ![Hycor](https://battlefieldforum.co/user_avatar/battlefieldforum.co/hycor/32/102240_2.png) [@Hycor](https://battlefieldforum.co/u/Hycor)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504/20 "2019-02-05T20:20:00Z")
No because if you talk about allied atrocities and the suffering of the german civilians you are a according to liberals (Dice). [Next page](https://battlefieldforum.co/t/will-dice-make-firestorm/106504.md?page=2)