“soon enough” 3 months later when they find out no one wants to play anymore on PC because of china spammers, racistpeasants, cheaters, glitchers and lag lag lag.
Let’s all hope that isn’t the case. If the guys at DICE/EA have any clue they will see the demand and make an announcement. But, like it was stated previously I doubt anyone besides moderators read these forums.
they do read the forums, but as has been the case since forums began, whenever a dev posts, it invariably turns south and they get such a toxic response they don’t reply again…
the thread is asking questions about server rentals, as such I will continue to merge any threads regarding server rentals into one thread. we don’t need threads about the same subject (even asking if only part of server control is going to be in, its still related to server rental)
It is far easier to respond to one thread, than having to go searching the forum to answer the same questions in a multitude of threads.
if they are afraid of a “toxic response” then they either need to grow some backbone or stop making boneheaded decisions, like this decision to withhold the info about servers, that cause a large amount of the uproar that they receive. if they came out and gave any information at all this thread and all of the other ones you and the rest of mod team had to merge together probably wouldn’t exist. sure they might get hit with the fallout of whatever decision they made is, but that’s going to happen one way or the other, and stringing everyone along is just going to make things worse in the long run.
if I had the information to share I would, you think we like living in limbo anymore than anyone else?
nope.
but we have to wait just the same…
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Absolutely ! We’re not being unreasonable here with what we are asking. We just want the information that in previous battlefield titles has been given to us in a timely fashion so we can properly prepare our community and make financial decisions as to if we will rent servers or even buy the game. What strikes me as odd too is that they want this title to become their flagship competitive title. I’m sure those guys/gals want to get funding / sponsorship to get servers to practice / scrim on. Just baffled at all the marketing that has been thrown at this game and we don’t even know if we can provide servers to our community members and long time battlefield players.
There has to be dedicated servers, or I will /not/ be buying this game. I’ve been playing BF for a long time now and without dedicated servers this game will end up like SWBF, this is the truth. DICE needs to make an official statement in regards to this. BF1 has potential to be a great game but until this is answered I’ll be holding on to my money.
I think a few things are paramount: glitchers/cheating and chat abuse. Without both of those…ugh. Does mean I have to play with all the crappy people that I’m actually trying to avoid by playing a game?
What’s the fun in a game…if hackers/cheaters/glitchers/griefers are unstoppable and the chat spam makes communication outside of squad just an expletive-laden racist rant from the kid who just got a keyboard?
Hackers and cheaters and cheaters ARE a part of gaming. You can bet they’ll be clapping their hands IF DICE carries out this decision. I’ve seen blatant hacking (i.e., RAWR on Flood Zone) go undetected by FairFight.
I can imagine a dev answering in this thread saying: “PC server rentals will be on par with the console server rentals” (which of course anybody who is a realist knows will happen).
You DICE you ruined our game
- you DICE, I am canceling my preorder now*
etc…
In my opinion there will be an official answer, or tweet that will say: “We have made a new in game server rental and handling interface, which will include a lot of options so that everybody will customize their server as they want. This will result in better quality servers as they will be rented out directly by EA and of course eliminate all instances of admins abusing their powers.”
Consoles sold more than 12M combined without having the options PC players had when rented servers, so we better get used to it.
It’s odd, I had that website with sales figures for BF4 in my Favorites list, and the last time I looked at it the PC platform had sold more copies than any single console platform. Maybe what happened was that as the price of BF4 dropped more console gamers on tighter budgets picked up the game, I can’t think why else the numbers shifted so dramatically.
Ironically the gaming industry knows that consoles are going away, they are planning for games that will run as apps on smart TVs rather than on a box sitting beside the TV.
I agree that a lot of clans will not want to pay for servers which they cannot control, PC clans are just not used to that ridiculous situation. It would be like leasing a car and being told what radio stations you can listen to, what gas stations you have to fuel up at, and not being allowed to say who does or does not get to ride in the car.
If what we have heard is really what EA intends to do, then I very much doubt they will change their minds. The bean-counters have done their spreadsheets, and they’ve decided that killing off the PC platform is something they can live with. Too bad. So much for brand loyalty huh?
Let’s just hope if they decide to rent servers out via EA we can actually have control over what happens to some degree. IE, the keyboard warriors, hackers etc. And I’m sure we all know the kids that got mommy and daddy money that rent servers and turn around and ban people that are better than them is how us legit server owners got a bad rap. But those servers usually don’t last long and the server owners that actually take pride in how their servers are run are the ones that will suffer because of it.
I am fine with EA rented servers as long as we have kick / ban / VIP slots / mode & map changes. I would prefer many other options, but I will be fine with that. It would eliminate the cheating that has went on with insider data center relations with big named gaming clans. Some people still had access to the backend of their servers and used it to their advantage to make their servers appear full in Battlelog or close to it. When you join there would be a few people in it or not that many, but it would instantly fill up because of the trickery at hand. I am not talking about using procon to change player sizes — I am talking about data centers and people who work there or acquaintances using their position to prop up their gaming clans servers for population. TrinityGameServers was one such provider, now gone, who did these very tactics. In-Fact, the guy who ran it (Mario was his online name) even offered to set it up for our clan if we paid an extra $75.00 bucks a month. So this may be a good thing that levels the playing field for everyone on getting servers going in custom, ranked, official, etc. Though I don’t hold my breath.
Wow, that’s the first I’ve heard of that. That’s why I always use NFO and I had to sit for hours seeding my servers because of the bad BF4 release causing server crashes every few hours. I’m sure we all remember that nightmare. But yeah, those guys don’t deserve hosting servers if they are providing false reports to the blaze backend making their servers look full when they really weren’t.
First, I want to apologize for being rude before. There is no reason to justify being rude.
Second, I absolutely disagree with you. I am not disputing the facts you posted above, because that is irrefutable. What I vehemently believe is, the needs to be a separate thread on the issue I posted so it is easy for the decision maker(s) to see how much support there is for it. Not just support, but need.
When I was doing product management I had to scoured through hundreds of feature request and bugs to determine how to allocate resources based on demand and need. From that standpoint, if a single thread on a single subject has a huge number of active administrators posting in it, it will be easier to decipher the actual need.
Though I was inexcusable in my rudeness before, I honestly believe you have done the community a disservice by merging these threads. I will not post another because you have already made your decision. However, I felt it imperative to voice my disappointment in a much calmer and rational manner.
Thanks,
-Ray [TheQue]
I am aware of that plugin, but all that does is move your server seeders to balance the server. Physical people have to actually seed the server. What these clowns were doing, and I am sure it still is done, was using a server side hack to populate servers with people who don’t exist. I don’t know how they did it, but the people that were listed in the server had no rank and no stats. If you search google you can find some old Battlelog forum threads devoted to this subject. There was even a service available for a while that would populate your server with fake players and then move on to another server. The benefit of the hack is it forces the server to fill up almost instantly because people want to play on a full server.
My bust i dropped the wrong link. Balance Server Seeder does infact use real connected (idle) players. What I should’ve linked (now thinking it’s probably not a good idea) is the browser plugin that auto seeds up to 8 servers 50% full via a single account.
To continue on this, tiggr_ posted in the same Twitter thread that we will get information before the release of the game:
https://twitter.com/tiggr_/status/775757852543561728
So that’s nice.
I just hope “talked about” isn’t equal to something along the lines of “yes there will be servers” with no specific info on the mechanics. 