They need to release the info now. Delaying the release of information now just screams shameless cash grab. The longer they wait the less chance people will have to cancel their pre-order and the more likely the negative information wont hurt sales.
Personally i would like to see everyone on here that cares about this game on PC go out and start messaging the devs on Twitter and any public source we have. Be polite and respectful but we need to let them know this isn’t ok and that we need to know whats going on before we give them our money.
I liked the Open BETA which was my deciding factor to want to buy BF1. The thing that is keeping me from doing so right now is not being able to control a server like I have had the privilege to do so as an admin on some cool servers. There will be no reason for anyone to want to rent a server if it cannot be rented from a company you like and or trust. Also why would I want to rent a server that I had no control over? Seems silly to me that there would not be some cool features like in BF4 and add-ons to make servers run certain ways. Being a PIstols Only player and not being able to set up a server for pistols only or not being able to punish or limit grenades from a server would suck. I just watched a video from Westie which said some stuff along the lines as Private servers that can be locked would not be allowed. So how you expect me or anyone else to rent a server that keeps them hostage?
I sat down and figured it out. Between BF3 and BF4 I have helped to pay for seventeen BF servers. In some cases I donated to servers run by other people because I really liked playing there, in others I belonged to the clan running the servers and my dues went towards keeping the servers in operation.
If anyone thinks I will put one dime towards paying for a server over which the admins have little control, they are crazy. If EA were actually trying to kill the PC BF scene, they couldn’t have found a better way to do it.
Another point for #neverpreorder
It’s very annoying to like so many aspects of a game that has so much other things changed or featuring for the first time, that are definite no-buy reasons.
I had a shopping cart full of hardware that I picked mainly to improve my Battlefield 1 experience. I briefly considered the deluxe edition.
I’m waiting this one out. Money (for the game) won’t leave my hands until after the launch and when the server rental system is clear.
Exactly, pre-ordering puts the consumer at the mercy of the seller. If it means missing a few days of play until we know both how the retail version runs and whether or not server renters will have control over the servers they pay for, well that’s not a very big deal.
I’ll never pre-order again, EA in particular has convinced me they are too capable of springing unpleasant surprises on us.
And running a server without streaming will be a good gift for cheaters. I have a little server, almost empty but check the liveban list. That’s for me the true power of admin. But for EA a cheater is primarily a buyer.
I have this wish that EA and/or DICE have silently gathered cheaters in BF4 and the alpha&beta of BF1, waiting for the banhammer to release a wave. I wouldn’t even blame them for doing it AFTER the (alledged) cheaters have bought the game.
Didn’t Overwatch permaban players, meaning buying a new game would get that one banned aswell?
They did indeed, and people have no clue how they were able to do. Obviously people didn’t use the same bnet account. Guess they saved info about the hardware or some such.
Excellent move though.
Here is the fresh Westie video @gioiswn referred to. Positively surprised by the stance for most part, was expecting something more defensive of DICE/EA assuming the rumors were true.
Westie if you read this, sorry for doubting after seeing your tweet on making this video.
Good stuff and I mostly agree.
The only part I’m kind of against, although I understand the point if that were the DICE stance, is that people don’t realize servers might have other settings… i.e. they join a game and only then realize e.g. snipers are banned or some such. So that DICE were trying to unify the experience… I just feel since BF4 already for years has had servers people have grown accustomed to checking what settings etc. servers have. Read the rules, check settings, etc. Although of course there are always badmins, and servers that simply don’t state info. However punishing everyone who rents in the process feels like getting rid of a mosquito with a shotgun.
Hope we do really get that server rental info soon.
Not a console player, but as far as I know Console can kick/ban. If PC doesn’t have that ability I’m sure console won’t … so really what chance is there that we (PC) won’t have that ability.
I haven’t pre-ordered, but I could based on playing the beta for 40 hours. I didn’t even really like the map (really don’t like Silk Road in BF4), but still had plenty of fun. So based on the images seen of some of the maps incoming, I feel there will be map+mode combinations I will really enjoy.
However at this time I’m not going to, because our clan is heavily based on our own rented servers with Procon level control.
This is correct. I’ve played all BFs (BC:1 to BF:4) on console too on another account. But, with consoles (last I checked) anyway, there are still DICE and more specifically EA servers even on BF3 (maybe even BC:2). These servers are usually the most populated due to matchmaking. Which is what the BF1 PC game is now encouraging players to use. Most casual gamers will just click the matchmaking button that matches to their skill and play. These are official servers and I’d bet they will be locked down with possibly ONLY vote kick and nothing else. And while that’s ok on console since a cheater is like a needle in a haystack - on PC it’s a no-no - and even then i’ve seen cheaters on BF4 that override the vote-kick making it useless. I’ve also seen other teams who have the cheater on their team refuse to votekick the cheater so that they win for their stats.
The only good thing about it would be that there is actually variety and that you could always find servers playing whatever game, map, and mode you desire. On console, that is my favorite thing about it. Just about anything I want to play is available. On PC I don’t have that option. There’s less variety overall. But, I’d trade less variety for properly admined servers. I can go play on a console if I have a thirst for a specific map or want to play something off-the-wall like chainlink or something.
I don’t trust votekicks as they pretty much never work. Anti-cheat systems pretty much never work, if they do it’s with a delay, a mass ban wave of hundreds or thousands banned at the same time to catch most of the players using the hack that’s been detected.
Blatant hackers, disruptive and offensive players… this is why we need admins with the power of kick/ban.
Yes, this will mean we’ll see bad admins. But an active server with one or several admins (even semi-good admins) is better than no admin.
I agree on this. I remember BF2 and the fact that we had mod support. There were quite a few that came out, and yes you needed to buy the game, so EA/DICE were still making money.
A few to name were POE and AIX. I think a lot loved to play the mods now and then, some even more than the actual BF2.
But all the recent titles won’t allow that anymore, and its a crying shame. Now with the server issue, and its going down the pan quickly
Mod support… I’ve pretty much given up on it in the Battlefield. Skyrim and Fallout lifespan and replay value are increased a lot by mods, but these are single player games.
When the next Battlefield was but a rumour, I had some ideas. Dynamic weather actually happened. I also thought about rush, how it was kind of boring that it was always the same MCOM (telegraph pole) we had to blow up, instead of say… a bridge to destroy, area to hold for a certain time, kill a VIP, escort a vehicle that once reaching the objective would rain death. Map would open up more in one or more directions depending on the success of the team. Even the TDM (which I don’t usually play much) could have different areas cut out from the full conquest map, giving us more maps in a way.
Commander and squad leader aspect has been rather dull in BF4, people don’t really care about orders or even accept them in general, despite the extra points. The potential is there, but it’s cheaper to continue with tried and true games that we, the players, pay and play.
If preorders would cut in half or more, would we see the devs work harder? If Premium sales would drop drastically, would we see a better system? We buy so they give us the same.
A server without real admins will make the experience suck, i want a nice 64 player server with high ticket counts, and the control of removing weapons that should not be in the game. Not getting this game until this is cleared up.
I have played the BF series for close on 5000 hours and spent most of that time as an admin. Beside the more or less obvious hackers that come along every now and then and which you can just quickly remove to keep the game fun for everyone else, most of the admin work goes into keeping the chat friendly and insults, racial slurs and similar misbehavior to a minimum. It’s hard to believe what sort of insults people come up with and sometimes I had to read the chat several times to come to grips with the fact that some people can put so much hate into a single sentence. If we are left without proper kick/ban abilities and would be forced to put up with this sort of behavior without being able to do something against it, then I will turn away from the series.
In addition we have changed GSP several times in the past because we were able to get a better deal/hardware/performance from the new GSP. If server rental is possible, but entirely in the hands of EA/DICE, I expect that servers will never really run great. They will probably sort of run ok, but without competition between GSPs there is just no incentive to improve performance by buying new hardware etc. Plus, knowing EA/DICE customer support, I am sure that when there are problems with a rented server, asking the provider (a.k.a. EA/DICE) for support will be a waste of time.
Like many others I will wait for an official statement before I buy this otherwise promising game.
