I bet you there won’t be rcon support, you have to rent all servers directly from DICE/EA, and they will run on VMs in Amazon AWS and Microsoft Azure. This is why we haven’t heard anything about servers through official channels. It is all bad news.
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The servers in the Beta were on Amazon AWS and there have been reports of what I’m saying from people who asked their GSPs about servers for BF1.
Just because a server is hosted through Amazon or Microsoft doesn’t mean it’ll be VPS. That’s absurd.
Maybe we haven’t heard anything yet because everything isn’t finished. You don’t dump a buttload of info out and then change it. Especially on a topic so touchy. When you finalize, then you announce.
Microsoft Azure and Amazon AWS only offer virtual machines. There is proof that Amazon AWS was used for the beta. It is likely that the reason we haven’t heard anything about servers is because the news is bad.
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- Updating server files (patches) takes longer on a VM setup (1 per machine vs 1 foreach vm on each machine).
I don’t mind playing vanilla BF1, in fact I do prefer my BF vanilla.
But I do not want to play a BF where the flavour is “player abuse”. And without RCON and custom scripts / plugins this will happen.
I’ll tell you why. MOST PEOPLE DON’T LIKE PLAYING ON OFFICIAL SERVERS. They are full of cheaters, trolls, and everyone else kicked from good and decent admin controlled servers.
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Running a server is like running a business. Admins create their server the way they think the community would like and then try to get people to join. If people join and like the experience, they will stay, and probably come back and play there again. If people don’t like the server they simply won’t come back. If people don’t come back then the server dies. It is not in the admin’s best interest to be a jerk to the players if they want their server to survive. Most the badmin reports you see are from those who are legitimately kicked for doing something they shouldn’t have.
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The famous YouTube personalities like playing on Official servers ONLY because they can stack teams severely to have easy games. They don’t want a fair fight because it looks bad in their videos if they are constantly getting rekt by other players. It would decrease their viewership. So they have to stack their team because none of them are pro players. They like to think they are but they are just slightly above average. So when they say they are looking for a “pure” Battlefield experience they mean they want to have easy wins so they can post cool videos to YouTube. They can’t do this on admin controlled servers because most decent admins don’t allow severe stacking and have a balancer turned on that breaks up squads or teams based on Battlelog stats. This ruins their little plans so of course they don’t like it. They hide behind the tired argument of “we just want to play with friends.” Well, you playing with your friends isn’t more important then having fair teams and a decent environment for all players to play.
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They like to pretend finding an Official server is hard when it only requires pressing the Quick Match Button (Play Now Button). IT ONLY MATCHES TO OFFICIAL SERVERS THAT ARE POPULATED!!! They are obviously not that stupid or they wouldn’t be able to edit and post YouTube videos almost daily. So it is clear they have a hidden agenda, which DICE has fallen for.
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There are NO shortages of servers in BF4. There are a LOT of populated servers and TONS of empty ones. Better yet, the YouTube personalities could pay for their own server and run it HOWEVER they want. They just can’t be bothered. They don’t really care about helping the community by running a server. That actually costs money. They’d rather play on other people’s servers, that these people are paying for, and then dictate to these server owners how their server should be run. And then they want to stack teams to kill off the server by making everyone leave because people don’t enjoy severely unbalanced teams. Or better yet, they actually know the community is so bad they couldn’t run a server without being accused of being badmins themselves because I guarantee they would be kicking people left and right from their server for a multitude of reasons.
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If you haven’t even run a server you have no idea of the people you have to deal with on a daily basis. There are lots of players out there who’s sole mission is to ruin the fun of others by cheating, trolling, or being fools during games. Admins are the only people who can deal with these individuals. And without admin control the average server in BF1 is going to degenerate into what OFFICIAL servers are like in BF4. They won’t be fun and people will just stop playing the game because of it. DICE can’t prevent these problems by taking away admin control. In fact, they are just going to make these issues worse.
Flipping a few check boxes on a heavily curated settings page is not customization. Without automation capability, many things we could do in BF4 servers are no longer possible. You can’t auto kick, ban, etc for violations. You can’t send automated messages to alert players to rules or that they are doing something they shouldn’t. You can’t build your community. You can’t even effectively monitor the status of the server and the players that are on it. This effectively kills all customization and the ability of admins to control players in their servers. This will only have a negative effect on the entire player base and the game overall.
I don’t know what fraction of the player population Levelcap represents. But whatever the case, his opinion and those of a few people shouldn’t be the only ones that count. Let there be variety and let each player and every player choose which server they join.
If they don’t like a particular server, fine, let them find one that suits them better. But by all means, don’t limit options and control just to have “one and the same experience”.
And BTW, nothing personal against you, but when I played BF2, I only liked one map from that game. When I finally got bored with that map, I went back to playing Desert Combat.
When EA/Dice take over the world PC owners will be forced to set fire to their rigs in the street., Anybody caught using a pc will be shot and consoles will be given away for free.
Say no to EA! #BF1needsadmins
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You are right, the beta did show options, but until DICE discloses what kind of control they will let admins have, those same options in the beta may end up being useless.
If DICE does not allow KICKS/BANS, then what is the use of renting a server if you cannot remove an unruly or disruptive player?
And since RCON is no longer supported, if you have not run a BF server before, especially one connected to a ProCon server and its layer, then you may not realize how much DICE has taken back BF1 from its predecessors.
The ProCon layer runs various plug-ins that enable a server to perform dozens, if not hundreds of admin functions, at any given moment. Whether it is balancing teams, performing ping control, sending out warnings to certain players for rules violations, tracking statistics, and many more. These things were not at all in the beta. It would be fine with me if DICE came up with their own proprietary utility that performs all of these.
DICE needs to disclose these customization options. But since they appear to be waiting to release the info until after the game releases, I am afraid these options they speak of are very close to being meaningless.
That there is the problem [/quote] I’ll probably cave on both issues because I’m desperate for a new game. This is EAs thinking as well People will still buy this game, they are think off the money not the PC community that has keep there games alive for years because they rented servers that they had control over, a lot of community’s have been build them self’s up from BF games and brought people to the BF who wouldn’t have bother with BF games , They o the Battlefield community big for this yet they have went the other way what the community wants and they new for a long time now, they wanted sale before telling the community, they are going by some you-tubers some off use say well yes probably but i can till you now it is not the you-tubers who get people to by the BF games it is the community out there, We all no BF1 with the ways thing are going to be Console type Control over there own EA servers, what Anit cheat? Fairfight & PB will not do as we all no… BF1 will last a year tops and no one will be playing the game but a small few, I will not get this game as i no i won’t play it with how things are, I do hope the community shows EA how they feel on this one with game sales.
good luck then…
So I have been away for work, which takes precidence over gaming, and when I come back I see this…
https://www.battlefield.com/en-gb/news/article/rent-a-server-for-battlefield-1
The title of the article/announcement is “All You Need To Know About The Battlefield 1 Rent-A-Server Program.”
Aside from the fact this is no where close to “All we need to know,” I am extremely disappointed that one of the biggest questions was not even glossed over (Kick / Ban ability). Furthermore, I am equally disappointed in the fact that you, as the community relations manager for NA, allowed the moderators to merge the thread I had posted in regards to this issue. This thread is weeks old, and has degraded in conversations again and again, as expected this question has been buried in the rubbish.
The people who are putting out thousands of dollars a year (my group is looking at ~$10,000 a year for the servers, website, TS) do not just Want to know this answer, we NEED to know this answer before we INVEST in creating a community in Battlefield 1. I am not saying it is impossible to create a community without these features, but it is certainly considered to be “not worth the effort” by many who have done it over and over again across several titles. This is not rhetoric, rather, this can easily be researched in titles that lack this ability in a PC environment, even in your own titles.
Any organization, physical or virtual, that rents or leases property expects the ability to control the environment from negativity that may impact the community in which they are attempting to create. Let me use a real example of the virtual space in which many on this forum, and hopefully many of the developers have come across in the past…
Many users utilize 3rd party VoIP programs to communicate with each other. A very popular VoIP solution is TeamSpeak. You can rent and control your own TeamSpeak server for a small fee from several authorized vendors (I think the TS organization has their own rental program as well, but I digress), or you can use a public TeamSpeak server. If you have ever used a public TeamSpeak server (please do so if you have not), you will notice a trend. That trend is every hour or so, some group of drunk or otherwise rowdy group of individuals will log in and move from channel to channel disrupting everything with loud music, hate speach, etc… They will continue to do so until they are eventually removed by the public administrator (often this takes hours). In the mean time, the users are leaving in droves due to the disruption; after all, this is intended as entertainment first and foremost.
This happens on ALL of the official servers for Battlefield 4. Every so often, a group of people will join for the sole purpose of disrupting the community. I am not even talking about the rampant cheaters on the official servers; I am talking about the people who choose to join for the sole purpose of aggravating people and making them leave. In a real-time FPS, it is not hard to do these actions. Some of the actions include, intentionally using bugs, racial or other intolerant speech, generally trolling another player, blowing up allies gear (MedPacks and Ammo Crates), and constantly standing in front of people’s line of sight.
How is it this question allowed to be buried? In the thread I created, I specifically asked for that thread to be singled out; and there were 15+ responses in the 30 minutes before it was merged. All of these responses were ON TOPIC and were attempting to explain the importance of this question. Yet, it was merged into a massive thread where more than 30% of the posts are absolutely irrelevant, total speculation, or bashing EA/Dice. I am sure I am going to get a “Time Out” for this post but I am sure you, and your admins, will get the irony of that when it is done.
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I’m waiting for the explosion at this point. Well that and playing Overwatch. Short of displaying a level of corporate competence and completeness of information that’s been absent from the discussion thus far, nothing they have to say will change anything for me. Well, I shouldn’t say that. If they give us another one of those insultingly worthless press releases I may quite literally fly to Sweden so I can give them the Tommy Lee Jones “Idiot stare” in person, included below for reference.
Also they haven’t said how many of those options you can change before your server is Ranked vs Official or Unranked entirely. That is pretty important information to know. It doesn’t matter if there are 100 settings if you can only change 1 or 2 slightly before your server status has changed so that Quick Match doesn’t match to it or it becomes Unranked entirely. An empty server is not very useful.
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You may just think this is all hypothetical but DICE did this in BF4 several times. They would patch servers so that if simple settings were changed the server changed from “Normal” Ranked servers to “Custom” Ranked servers. Then it was almost guaranteed no-one would join the server. It would become extremely hard to populate the server because by default the server browser shows “Normal” servers in preference to “Custom” Ranked servers.
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So until we have more information, it doesn’t matter how many switches and buttons are on the settings page. They are meaningless without the server documentation that shows what settings and range of values are acceptable in each game mode and flavor of server. Also it is critical how the quick match system works in BF1. We need to know if it matches to Ranked server or only Official servers. Also what settings will cause a server to not be matched by quick match. This is vital information.
I think several of them have done this. I made the mistake of joining one of those once intending to actually play a game. Nope. 64 player server with a real game going, but the Youtuber and his band of minions were off somewhere trying to launch LAV’s or tanks or something. And anytime someone shot them, they got banned.
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Doubt if that particular Youtuber is advocating for official servers only. 
Yeah, I really don’t think people understand the fundamental changes that are happening in BF1. They are unlike anything that happened in previous BF games. It is a major change. It will take a while for everyone to fully grasp it.
All those indifferent, you know they’re straight from console.
But they will be the first on the forum whining like ¯_(ツ)_/¯ “where’s all the servers”.
Without rcon controls who tf in their right minds is going to rent one?
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