Yes yes, I know it’s pre-alpha and we dont know for sure if that would be in release version or not (plus there were already similiar case with Blacks among Chinese in MP in BF4), but…
What are they doing here? So far as I know, Germans had blacks in army, but not in European campaign (mostly in African one like Askari), or at least not in such ammounts that 95% of both teams in the game can consist of them (including Australians/Anzacs (and British overall), if I am correct, of course, I just think I saw them in gameplay. And there werent SO MUCH black soldiers among them in the war either). I mean, I heard though that they had black soldiers in European campaign too, but they were EXTREMELY rare.
But if you do actually plan to include them, then what was the point of excluding female models then (especially if you have female protagonist in campaign anyway - that female Beoduin warrior, I know it’s different from having female soldiers or well female soldiers that disguise themselves as male, but still)? I mean, they were also extremely rare, but still present, and most of them usually disguised themselves as men to get in war. I am not an SJW or feminist, but it seems really double-standarded to me. I mean, if including such things (same about females though) it needs to be done right in my opinion, not like this.
Or especially, why making USA and Italy as two of main factions at least in multiplayer, but make France a frigging DLC and having no words so far about Russia?
You want to say they dont deserve much attention? And what about the others? Like Siamese Expeditionary forces I oftenly mention, Portugese, Romanians, Chinese and many many others?
Are the others really so unimportant comparing to somebody like a unit that consisted only of blacks, USA that didnt do so much comparing to most if not all the other countries that played the role in the war etc?
I know I will be called a whiny b**h, told to go play in Call Of Duty and so on, but really… this in my opinion is just frigging absurd. What kind of “diversity” is that?
(Also, before anyone will jump with “different/alternate” timeline , they said numerous times in various interviews that this is NOT gonna be alternate timeline, they only altered some things for the sake of gameplay to make it less complicated and more comfortable for players, like reloading and so on)
I think what it ultimately comes down to is DICE chose which groups of people to and not to include when creating the character models. The gameplay will be just the same. I don’t care which faction, skin colour or sex my character for any particular round is. It will play just the same. There seems to be a lot of interest in this and i don’t see it as a big deal personally. It is after all just a video game.
“There seems to be a lot of interest in this”. In WW1 theme itself, yes, but not in just pushing things where (at least from my perspective) they dont really belong, while excluding or not even adding at all other details, many of which are actually pretty important and I would even say interesting. And yes, it is a video game, but it’s a video game that touches one of the most bloodiest and important conflicts in history, not to mention that they said it’s not gonna be alternate/different timeline stuff, and look how they are screwing it over. Just because it’s a “video game” it doesnt mean you can now push or exclude everything you want and don’t make it look off or absurd. For example, imagine something like WW2 video game with Chinese German soldiers. Just because you don’t care, it doesnt mean nobody else does. Not trying to be rude, but still.
@JohnnySmirnov You don’t come across as being rude. You have your opinion which is fair enough. You may be right and i may be right. This game is just a game, meaning it is not supposed to be a learning tool to educate us about the war. Yes it is right to respect the events which took place, but DICE have said it won’t be 100% accurate. I intend to play it, and take anything i see with a pinch of salt. I think that’s the best way i can describe it.
You do have a point, but I still thinks its pretty unfair and absurd. I mean, it now looks like their diversity talk about various aspects and events of WW1 was just another excuse to push some stuff for the sake of political correctness. Also, learning tool to educate us about the war or not, still, I would say there is a difference between not being 100% accurate and just lets say going off the rails.
Well there do seem to be a few people who share your views so perhaps they will take notice and make a few changes. I don’t know how likely it is but for your sake i hope they do. You obviously feel strongly about it. Well enough to come and post here. I don’t disagree with what you are saying either btw.
Again, as I said, just beause it’s a video game and they dont go 100% accurate, it doesnt mean you can now twist it any way you want without making it look absurd or off etc. If it’s “just a game”, maybe add Charlie Chaplin in WW1-themed Iron Man Armor too? Or cut everyone out except USA/UK and Germany?
Seems good to me. What’s wrong with black people being in the game? This is not an accurate documentary about WW1,just a video game set in the era of WW1. Maybe they have an alternate timeline where European albinos are all killed? I couldn’t care less anyway,lul,Europe is just a continent with tiny countries living on their past glory. In a modern day war you’re all ¯_(ツ)_/¯.
I often see on this forum that the french lost 6 million men. So what. Wars are not won by casualties. You run headlong into machine guns and you are gonna get slaughtered. America learned our lesson in slaughter during the American civil War. In terms of numbers America committed almost 5 million men to WWI. There were only 4 countries who had more men. Combine that with the fact that today America is the biggest market then Id say the developers made a good choice.
Before I go let me say that if America had not been the game I wouldn’t care. Its a game.
As for whether blacks or women are in games doesn’t matter to me either. I just think it needs to for the right reason and not because we bend to social justice pressure.
I posted that I’d rather have a main cover with mixed factions instead of a black dude (despite I’m black), because who thinks about blacks when they hear WW1, except few. But this is also a medial cause. Nonetheless there were black soldiers in German army even within Europe!
I agree with you for the most part. But still, French played very huge role in WW1, not including them or treating them like non-main faction is just absurd and ignorant in my opinion. The main reason is not the causalities, but their role in the war in general. Same I can say about Russia if they have Eastern Front in the game, since Eastern Front without Russia is like Winter War without Soviets. I am not saying USA doesnt deserve to be in the game, but it doesnt mean that in their favour other countries especially the ones who played the bigger role need to be so over-looked. Or same Italy for example, okay USA, but what makes Italy much more important than same France or Russia for example? Plus again, in terms of combat USA didnt do much comparing to many other countries.
Plus in some details at least in MP it just makes no sense in terms of gameplay aspects. How can you fight on French soil, without French themselves?
Also, again, you don’t care - alright, it doesnt mean others doesnt. Also, didnt you yourself agree with one guy in one thread about that they can’t just leave Russia and France out of the game? If so, then why you say something like that you don’t care (even though I know you’re refering to USA, not Russia or France int his case)? Sorry if I am being stupid and/or don’t get something though.
“As for whether blacks or women are in games doesn’t matter to me either. I just think it needs to for the right reason and not because we bend to social justice pressure.”
And that’s exactly what I am talking about. They just seem forced for the sake of political correctness and no other purpouse.
And btw, the thing is they themselves said they wanna show various aspects of WW1, including unknown or less known ones. So, thats why so many people are upset or even angry. What kind of “diversity” is this?
Obviously you have problems with reading. At first, how is it good exactly? I am not saying it’s bad, but still. Second, the problem is not the inclusion of blacks itself, but that they are included there where they dont really seem to belong at/in. Third, nobody is saying that they need to make accurate documentary of WW1, but it doesnt mean that they need to throw any stuff in it or exclude important details etc, and people need to be alright with it. They themselves said numerous times it’s not alternate/different timeline etc, and that they gonna touch various WW1 aspects across the WORLD, plus these talk about diversity and so on. And what kind of frigging diversity is that? Fourth, alright, you don’t care, but again, why others should not care? Fifth, about that continent thing, so what and how is this relevant? Sixth, don’t be a . What’s with these ? “European albinos, cucks etc”? Grow the hell up, you ignorant .
I checked the article, thanks btw, it was pretty interesting. But in terms of Germans, it doesnt say much about inclusion in European campaign at all, it just says this: “Remember that WW1 was not just fought in Europe. There were theatres of war in Africa and Asia, as well as at Sea. In East Africa, The Germans used Askari troops called “Schutztruppe“. They fought bravely and were never defeated after Armistice”. And I did mentioned Askaris etc. I am not syaing that there were 100% no blacks among Germans in Europe. I can be wrong of course and I dont mind listening to arguments and opposite opinions, but from what I know, even if there were black Germans in Europe, they were extremely rare. Also, to be honest, I myself would be only happy to see stuff like Askaris in actions and so on, like in battles between Germans and Belgians in Africa, but I doubt that there will be anything like that, though I really hope so, at least in form of DLC, not sure if they will go with it, but I really hope so.
Yes of course, very rare, and that’s why their number in the game within German army needs to be at minimum. In the article you can see a German regiment in Germany with one black guy lol
I see. I must say these photos are pretty neat in my opinion btw. Also, personally I think it would be really good to see Askaris etc in the game, like in battles between Germans and Belgians/French etc in African campaign, not sure if they will add it or such things even as DLC though, but I personally really hope so.
Something your going to have to deal with until the liberal cuck banker new world order special interest groups justice warrior agenda makes the western world collapse.
lol