Some friends reported me that there are black soldiers in german troops which I find historically inaccurate (but politically correct)
I am not sure that this is the case (haven’t got time to test)
I understand this is a game but coman, everything should have it’s limits, for me this ruins the feel of a somewhat nice compromise between history and gameplay
before u said I have prejudice or I am a racist (how convenient that is to close ones argument), compare it to a situation that DICE puts roger rabbit into german troops
say I make a thread complaining about roger rabbit, all gonna reply that I hate children, and ,but this is a game’'.
I agree, I don’t think 1 out 4 troops for ever nation should have a token black guy. It’s kinda disrespectful to the people that did fight in the Great War. Watch if they have and release a battlefield ww2 in a few years they are gonna have black ¯_(ツ)_/¯ … lol
It’s true, around every faction, maybe minus Italians, and Hungary has a black soldier. While yes it is TECHNICALLY historically correct in Germany and ESPECIALLY America (Harlem Hellfighters) case.
We all know the most played class is scout. So for Germany that means you have a full team of Colonial African German soldiers. Being black myself, hey that’s great you added Colonial soldiers, I didn’t know they were in WW1…but uh…Id kinda like my scout to be an actual German not a colonial soldier…
All the reasons why some types of soldier customization needs to be added. (Plus that ¯_(ツ)_/¯ looking helmet some supports wear). If we won’t get that, can you atleast make two skins for them, one Caucasian and one African, and have the soldier randomized whenever you spawn into a game or go to the squad menu
ah just one more thing, the word ,black’’ used in this thread is not by all means intended to be disrespectful, I stopped using word afro-americans after hearing how this word is detested by the inhabitants of the islands close to U.S. soil (they have nothing in common with Africa apparently)
interesting findings, I presume that they participated in WW1 (I can’t image a situation in which a ,black’’ guy would fight for german troops in WW2 )
My point is that in every game you always somewhat ,hated’’ the german troops (especially WW2) because you knew that they are ,bad guys’’ with one so-called white race. That made it fun to ,kill’’ them in game.
Colonial African German soldiers fought in the war, but mostly in the Colonies. There are couple pictures of black German soldiers on the western front, but those were rare. Funny thing about the Hellfighters was that they didn’t fight under American command, but under French. American soldiers didn’t want to fight with blacks so the US gave Hellfighters to the French. So to make the game historically accurate you would have all white team USA and then have some black soldiers in the French army.
DICE went full PC with Battlefield 1, Having a Harlem hell fighter on the front of the box making you think maybe there’s some cool campaign stories about them only to find out (spoiler alert) They’re only in the game for 10 minutes at the intro. Character skin selection would of been the way to go, just like battlefield Vietnam or just letting you edit your soldier by skin helmet and what not.
Pretty sure a game made for fun and entertainment based on a war in which many of them lost friends or left traumatised is disrespectful enough; we don’t need to add race to it.
Just imagine it’s set in an alternative steampunk universe. That’s what I do to not get angry at all the machine guns in the game.
What’s even worse is that the British have Indian and black soldiers with heavy British accents but are clearly supposed to be colonial troops, just laziness on DICE’s part.
I think the only solution is to add customization, and allow people to play as other races that were in the war, not just white or black. Lots of indigenous people fought in the war as well.
THIS PART IS JUST SOME HISTORY STUFF. BF1 OPINION AFTER
Actually believe or not Black people were treated much better in Germany in the 40s than in the U.S. In the 40s only about 30% isch of people actually voted for the N.azi party. Even when they gained power through a kinda complicated process, a good amount of N.azis weren’t how they were portrayed as it was still a political party. For example Oskar Schindler was a N.azo, but wen he saw the atrocities, he used his status to save people.
In most WW2, video games, the Germans you are fighting are the Wehrmacht, the military, soldiers just like everyone else. In many cases, it was prohibited for a soldier in the Wehr to be associated with the N.azi party. Sure they may have some who were but majority were not.
One fun fact I learned was later in WW2, a German battalion rough WITH the Allies, in the Battle of Castle Itter to stop ¯_(ツ)/¯ and W.affen ¯_(ツ)/¯ from executing a bunch of PoWs. It’s hard to remember that a lot of the German soldiers actually were against a lot that the ¯_(ツ)_/¯ did but just weren’t in a position to stop it, what with war and all
BACK TO BF1.
If the case of the HHs is true, then perhaps they get shifted to the French when released. I honestly don’t mind, it’s just factions which were MAJORITY Caucasian soldiers being MAJORITY Black colonials in game doesn’t seem like WW1 at all
I know in school we didn’t even talk about WW1, so I learned about it on my own. School hasn’t changed, so I wonder about the children who just pick up this game and think it’s historically accurate, how that will affect them.
whatever is your point (you have some valid ones), it is still weird
it’s like all german troops were made chinese so to speak (because political correct means ,good’'), so yes you need to compromise and be at least coherent
with history to some degree
I like black troops in the ,allies’’ squad though, it’s a good idea
that said it is not an issue for me, just extremely weird to fight black squads in the germans troops
with their costume holding similarities with the bad guys from ww2, that could be far more disrespectful than anything else if you think of it
we all know german WW2 soldiers were racist right:/ (or at least many of them)
I do find it weird that BF1 depicts white and black American soldiers fighting side by side. It’s even more jarring when you see them posing in “cool” stances together in the squad menu. I doubt either race were feeling any sense of fraternity towards each other at the time.
I dont really care either way, but its probably because Sweeden is currently widely considered to be the most PC country in the world. While its a very compassionate way of doing things, generally feelings tend to come before facts. Hence…
Well it’s basically politically correct, look at the most recent star wars movie, or the most recent ghostbusters movie, it’s like making a movie about ¯_(ツ)_/¯, and the guy playing Hit. ler is black, it doesnt make sense but it’s so tolerant and PC, just like mama merkels refugee policy.
To sum up someone said there was a black guy in the German line up who you yourself haven’t seen yet are enraged enough to post about it. Fecks given are none, get over it and concentrate on the gameplay
well yes.. this is even easy to image, lots of nations were put in the mix, and some of them didn’t know what will happen next and how they’ll react
that is very interesting indeed, I think if s.o. wrote a book about it it would be a success. Later on I will search more of it, if there is some available literature (I am not sure if there is evidence of black soldiers fightning for the germans in WW2, that is again interesting)
I am over it, I like to discuss that is, I am not sure I like the gameplay though, playing more BF4 than this
