Link to section: Dice, there are not enough ground assets (specially in Operations) nor room for soldiers on the ground to carry specific weapons for both ground and air assets. Yet, the design of map tells us that grDice, there are not enough ground assets (specially in Operations) nor room for soldiers on the ground to carry specific weapons for both ground and air assets. Yet, the design of map tells us that ground troops have to still deal with both air and ground assets at the same time while still trying to play the objective. You cannot and should not make it the ground troops responsibility to deal with both ground assets (tanks) and air assets (all planes shooting ground targets from behind) at the same time. This is the imbalance. Soldiers have to joggle between tanks and sneaky pilots strafing easy ground targets from the back of a soldier (Operations make it easier for pilots to do this). This completely throws off playing the objective.
Dice the Solution is Clear. All planes should have a Lowest Safe Altitude (LSALT) that is Out of Bounds (OOB).
Therefore, in order to alleviate the dual burned placed on soldiers on the ground, the exploits of pilots joining forces and to remove an unintented 3rd team here is what I purpose:
Create a lowest safe alt. of 1500’ for all fighter pilots. This is a suggested floor but something that would allow pilots only able to see ground troops only when they are spotted. This can be done by making it out of bounds below that threshold.
Create a lowest safe alt. of 3000’ for all bomber pilots. Again, they will only see ground troops if their team is actually spotting their opponents. This can be done by making it out of bounds below that threshold.
Make it easier for pilots to see each other while in the air. This will encourage them to engage each other more then just instantly looking for easy ground targets that cannot defend themselves.
Allow for more air assets to spawn once there is a LSALT in place. This will create more of a dynamic to playing Operations, etc that doesn’t break game balancing.
Encourage dog fights by rewarding pilot team work (on the same team) if they take out all air assets of the opposing team. The winning pilot team will be rewarded by lowering the floor (LSALT) to by 500’ for fighter pilots and 1000’ for bombers. Once the other team spawns in air assets LSALT will rise again as a warning that enemy pilots are about to engage them. However, if one team doesn’t spawn air assets at the start of a match the original LSALT rule will apply.
It’s a basic assumption that telemetry tells you that most moderately skilled pilots having a higher K/D then ground troops for a reason. Hopefully, this gets implemented so that BF is fun again.
There’s plenty of ways to engage and destroy planes, even for infantry.
SAA
MAA
LMGs
AA Rocket Gun
Other Planes
K Bullets
Direct hits from coastal cannons, tank cannons, destroyer cannons, etc.
Tankgewher Rifle
Sniping the pilot
I’ve even destroyed a few with the AT rocket gun.
Also, it’s meant to be a team game. You’re not suppose to be carrying a solution to every encounter at all times. The idea is to have teammates to even out your own individual weak points. Unfortunately playing with random players doesn’t always work out that way. So I’ve just got a kit saved for each problem. Just switch kits when you die.
Plus, when they dive low, that’s the easiest time to destroy them. Get a good disabling shot on their engine or wings and they’ll likely crash because they can’t pull up quickly enough out of the dive.
Pilots are now strafing ground troops from behind to avoid gun fire. Albeit that rarely, if ever, happens that a pilot get gun fire from more then 1-2 soliders at a time.
We already know you can’t PTO and PTAA at the same time. It’s one or the other.
Which do you pick?
Good luck with that argument.
Why not just implement a weapon for each class that one shots planes or just completely remove them?
I understand that previously planes were sometimes unbalanced and even OP (trench fighter).
But Dice has changed that periodically by nerfing some of the planes, improving the AA, doubling the damage of the LGM against planes, releasing the AA rocket gun.
In the current state of the game you have plenty of resources to take down planes as Sixclicks post above outlined.
Resources that I see almost no one use on the field.
Is it the same people that are complaining that planes need to be nerfed?
As a 90% infy player, this is all a bad idea. Yeah, planes are a nuisance, but what you have proposed would make them moot. For me personally, limiting my low altitude flight, would mean that I can’t get rid of a trailing plane. When I can’t shake a plane, I start to weave between buildings and trees and quite often I loose the trailing plane. I.E. either they break off or hit something. As for more anti air assets, what else could they possibly add?
Who says you can’t PTFO and go above and beyond that by taking out aircraft that are hindering your advances? If that plane is in the way of what you need to accomplish, well then that plane need to go. No different than soldiers, or tanks or even SAA’s taking out your own plane. Its a big picture game, not just your own view on how the game is going.
When the air assets have LSALT of 1500’ it allows us to hone in on the objectives. Yet still deal with ground assets and air assets. But this time, not at the same time.
This will most certainly allow for a more experienced game play experience instead of easy play, controller flying, advance k/d with strafing from behind!
Dont make this game easymode please. There are enough ways to deal with planes,flying low is also risky for pilots and roadkilling with the fighter is fun. Theres no problem so please dont fix it.
A problem i see is people only chosing attackplanes and bombers and just killing infantry. With fix numbers for each vehicle type(so each team has a fighter) this would be better perhaps.
I just got out of a game on Grappa and killed 6 planes with AA which was best on my team. I joined with only 100 tickets left, so anyone can kill planes if you are willing to sit behind AA guns. AA kills planes, no problemo, I just don’t think people enjoy using the AA.
Exactly! I often am accused of not PTFOing when they look at my stats, if I didn’t have to lone wolf it to our gimme point and try and take it back by myself, followed by a long trek back to the front lines, if I am successful, my stats would look a lot better. I also tend to position myself ahead of a flag my team is capturing. I do this to slow or stop incoming enemy advances as to allow my team to push up a little faster, so quite often I do not get flag captures.
This to me is nothing more then a exploit. And LSALT: 1500’ for fighter planes, 3000’ for bombers would add all the flavoring we need for good balancing and team play.
