I did some “counting” in the past days.
Any time the sniper count is higher than 3/4 in the enemy team, the game starts to be crappy. At the usual rate, 8 to 12 snipers, the game is simply unplayable. OHKs get so frustrating and annoying that playing is more a pain than an enjoyment. Getting insta-killed every 30 secs/ 1 min in open maps is simply not funny.
Snipers affects the gameplay negatively. Their presence spoils the game of any fun.
The less you have the better it is.
Do you really want to enjoy a match? Look for a server with 2/3 snipers. Or a sniper-free one. Not many unfortunately.
Unfortunately DICE will never solve this crap as most of the COD players like sniping. It is the perfect excuse. Keep you K/D high despite the dramatic lack of skills, teamplay, strategy and whatever.
Moreover, unlike BF3 and 4, snipers in BF1 camp. All of them. Due to the game mechanic, it would be a suicide playing it differently. When you can enjoy a 1 hit kill from a distance, why should anybody try to close the distance? There are no good-snipers in BF1, just crappy players with no skill, annoying everybody else like a bully child harassing other children playing together.
My best advice is to play something else, this will not change.
I snipe, and I would not label myself as a crappy player with no skill. I may not be the best, but I know how to play in a squad and help that squad capture objectives (and I follow squad leader orders too…Fancy that!). In fact, once or twice I have almost single-handedly changed the tide of the battle by playing intelligently with captures and spawns.
And all of that whilst annoying everybody else like a bully child!
Easy solution to this… just make the sniper a 1 shot kill only with a headshot and about 80 for body… this would make it harder for them to get kills and reduce the number of times people pick the class.
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People are picking it because its so damn easy to get kills without getting killed themselves because they are miles away from the action
If they implemented the sniping mechanics of BFBC2, this game would be a million times better. BFBC2 only gave you a small OHK in close proximity, so forced players to get involved more. Its basically the opposite here. Also apart from one gadget, every other gadget you have incentivizes camping. The class needs some more agressive gadgets.
the flare is already an agressive gadget, im using Gewehr M95, Flare, K-Bullet and Incendiary grenade just to be effective in playing the objective. The M95 has no sweetspot but it has fast fire rate so i can being up close, flare a lot to spot enemies in the flag zone or sometime damage them while they hiding in a hole, K-Bullet to disable gun turret or throw the incendiary grenade to a heavy tank.
Its not that the Scout class in BF1 is cancer, its the players.
Black Hawk Down
Typhoon Rising
Call of Duty
BF2
BF3
BF4
BF1
The thing they all have in common? Everyone hates snipers.
All of these games also had forums where everyone hates snipers.
I think the main reason for this is not really because snipers don’t PTO (many do, and very well).
I think it is because people just simply*** do not like being shot from a distance***. I have experienced it myself in certain games, when an excellent sniper plugs me time and time again (why else would an assaulter run miles across a map simply to put a knife in the back of a sniper?)…Simple revenge…People don’t like being shot from a distance…
The frustration that can build up at being sniped time and time again by the same person can be insane ( I have seen people type extremely disturbing messages in general chat during rounds). People don’t like being shot from a distance
How many times have we been running towards an objective only to POW…Be put down and back on the spawn screen…How annoying is that?..Simple…People don’t like being shot from a distance
Snipers can create a feeling of total helplessness if the player cannot do anything to combat them, and oftentimes this can be the case. How many times has a player said “right, that’s it” and spawned as a sniper themselves to try and get revenge, only to be hopeless at it and die even faster because they stood still too long. Even when trying to flank them and stick a knife in, sometimes they see you and BANG…Guess what? I know this happens, because I have done it myself.
I play sniper and have done as my main class in all the above games, I cannot count the times I have been killed by the other classes. My KD ratio tends to be far more deaths than kills.
Nowadays I just take the hit, respawn and get back into it. Life is too short to be raging at something so meaningless.
Ehm, no.
Pretty sure it’s because Snipers contribute almost nothing to this game. Lots of things can kill people from a distance/without the player able to do something about it.
Snipers just sit out on a rock somewhere and contribute absolutely nothing to their team. That’s why people hate them.
sound like you need to play CoD if you want it to be more objective and teamwork intense in small maps..people can play how they want..i’ve came across with people that all they do is being a bomber or a tanker killing people from 100m away..thats pretty much saying to a real sniper “hey man why dont you come with us with machine guns and kill people that way instead hiding behind a wall with your sniper rifle” well, isnt that what snipers are?.. qualified specialist who operates alone and sometimes in pair to maintain close visual contact with the enemy and engage targets from concealed positions
I don’t mind snipers, have to be weary and not sit still in open areas if possible. It’s mainly sinai desert where I’ve noticed the largest concentration of them. The only thing that annoys me is when someone in my squad decides to play sniper and abandon the team. They find some camping spot and all i hear is, oh i just got 3 head shots in a row. I for one don’t care, im ptfo. If the sniper plays as a team member and pumps out the flares than great. In the end, dice well not limit them, learn to deal.
Yet another frustrated player…
And yet again someone exaggerating..
3/4 are sniper? 2/3!? Really..
Go play CQL there are just a few scouts PTFO ..
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3/4 means 3 to 4 players, not the fraction. Up to 3-4 it is ok. When it gets 11-12 it is not anymore. It is not the class, but the excessive number of players that uses the class badly.
When 90% of the snipers are camping, saying that snipers are campers, is not accurate but is a good generalization.
There is something wrong in the class that appeals bad players to use it the wrong way. Such players will never use support for obvious reasons.
It seems clear to me that something has to change to bring back such players to other classes with more chances to help and support the team. It is difficult to be useless if you are support, assault or medic. You HAVE to play the objective. Well, medic with sniper variant not so much.
A sniper is easier to use for comping and therefore the chances bad players are going to use the class the good way are extremely low.
Oil of empires operation should have a sniper % limit. Most of snipers are useless, but the class itself is useful.
People don’t use spot flares, don’t spot people with trench scope etc. They just camp on mountains for kills. And that %100 damage from body shot mechanic makes it even easier for players without good aim. I feel like I’m obligated to play sniper on operations like “Oil of empires” because there are always too many snipers. And you can’t counter mountain campers(those people with only head visible) without a sniper. In order to kill snipers, you need more snipers.
Yep but let scouts stay the same (you know the aggressive PTFO ones who actually do play that way) Scouts and snipers are two different things.
Oh and while we are at it Limit Medics to the same 1 per squad and 5 per team almost none do their job in reviving so Limit those who don’t (problem solved)