The Model 10-A is completely broken objectively speaking. (and most likely the other shotguns too)

[KimJongCondor]

Pro Battlefield player here. One of the best in the world, played for many of the best Battlefield teams in the world. I’m saying this, because the reasoning behind why the Model 10-A isn’t OP, is a bunch of illogical reasoning based on nothing. I know what I’m talking about, and if you’d like to go into detail proving how you are wrong, and the Model 10-A is OP, I’ll happily do it. I’am thoroughly exhausted from the casuals who apparently know more than the experts.

And don’t get me wrong, I get it. You’ve never been able to do anything in any Battlefield game before, until you started using this gun, and now all the sudden you can actually do work. Sorry, but you didn’t earn that, so you don’t deserve it. I earned the skill I have, I choose weapons based their versatility, not what is easiest. If you want to get better at the game, you’ll need to adopt that mentality.

You have a far better chance of beating any of the elite classes in close range than you do against a shotgun.

“Every time there’s a decent weapon people and cry that it needs to get changed. There’s plenty of ways to defeat someone with a shotgun how about you just try being better?”

Its not possible to beat someone in point blank range if they have a shotgun… assuming they are capable of merely lining up the shot. Accuracy is irrelevant. Which should never be the case with a first person shooter.

“That is the range at which a shotgun should be op, it is a shotgun. If you are mad that you couldn’t kill him at close range witb a dmr, then get a reality check.”

So why is it this logic doesn’t apply to any other weapons? A sniper isn’t OP at long range, SMG’s aren’t OP at short range, and semi-auto rifles aren’t OP at medium range…

"inside of 15 meters its a sure thing center mass. but its a f***ing watergun outside of about 20 meters. that gun is totally fair and shouldn’t be nerf’d. If youre sprinting through a hallway with an LMG and get dropped its your own fault "

So because its designed like a shotgun its totally fair and shouldn’t be nerfed…

“That gun is so satisfying to use but so frustrating to be used against.”

Gee golly, I can’t help but wonder why on earth you’d feel that way…

“Shotguns are supposed to one shot kill in close range - otherwise nobody would use them. So it’s fine the way it is - same way as sniper rifles one shot kill in their “sweet spot”.”

What sweet spot? You mean a headshot that actually requires accuracy? That doesn’t make any sense. So sniper rifles are perfectly balanced because they require a headshot for a one shot kill, but shotguns are perfectly balanced because you don’t even need a headshot? lmao This is embarrassing reading casual gamer’s comments.

Any other illogical and not thought out at all arguments for why your crutch isn’t overpowered? I’d thoroughly enjoy correcting and educating you casual Battlefield players.

The solution to this problem is simple. Unless the range is 5 meters or less, you should require a headshot. Its a shotgun, meaning you should have to use it like one. The problem that noobs don’t understand, is almost all first person shooters are designed where the majority of the action is relatively close range. Making the shotguns typically the most overpowered and best weapons.

You shouldn’t be rewarded for participating, you should be rewarded for accuracy, and out playing the enemy. Using a shotgun requires no skill what so ever.

[Callahan44er]

Did you even try the other shotguns? The A10 is too strong,yes. But the 12G automatic is one of the worst guns in the game. 5 bullets,needs at least 3 to kill and has a shorter range then a pistol…take some of A10 strength and give it to 12G. The M97 trench gun is well balanced imo.

[KimJongCondor]

@Callahan44er

Did you even try the other shotguns? The A10 is too strong,yes. But the 12G automatic is one of the worst guns in the game. 5 bullets,needs at least 3 to kill and has a shorter range then a pistol…take some of A10 strength and give it to 12G. The M97 trench gun is well balanced imo.

“(and most likely the other shotguns too)”

I don’t have enough experience with the other shotguns to be certain.

[Callahan44er]

@KimJongCondor

@Callahan44er

Did you even try the other shotguns? The A10 is too strong,yes. But the 12G automatic is one of the worst guns in the game. 5 bullets,needs at least 3 to kill and has a shorter range then a pistol…take some of A10 strength and give it to 12G. The M97 trench gun is well balanced imo.

“(and most likely the other shotguns too)”

I don’t have enough experience with the other shotguns to be certain.

so,you have no idea how good they are and just guess they are op,okay great.

[Goldhawk1]

lol, what. I use said shotgun and its complete RNG. Something can’t be OP when it merely has a chance to kill someone.

[sg2434]

Sniper rifles don’t actually require a headshot 100% of the time to get a 1 shot kill. Hence the “sweet spot” find the right range and you’ll be getting 1 shot kills all day, shooting in the toe or the head.

Oh snap, did I just educate an elitist?

[KimJongCondor]

@Callahan44er

@KimJongCondor

@Callahan44er

Did you even try the other shotguns? The A10 is too strong,yes. But the 12G automatic is one of the worst guns in the game. 5 bullets,needs at least 3 to kill and has a shorter range then a pistol…take some of A10 strength and give it to 12G. The M97 trench gun is well balanced imo.

“(and most likely the other shotguns too)”

I don’t have enough experience with the other shotguns to be certain.

so,you have no idea how good they are and just guess they are op,okay great.

Nope, that isn’t what I said.

/facepalm

[KimJongCondor]

@sg2434

Sniper rifles don’t actually require a headshot 100% of the time to get a 1 shot kill. Hence the “sweet spot” find the right range and you’ll be getting 1 shot kills all day, shooting in the toe or the head.

Oh snap, did I just educate an elitist?

Nope. Objectively speaking wrong. The only reason you think that is the people you killed were already wounded.

An elitist is you actually, an elitist is someone who talks like a pro, but has no idea what they are talking about.

I’am literally one of the best Battlefield players in the world. I co-created a way of using comms that many pro teams still use today.

[Just_ile97]

@KimJongCondor

Pro Battlefield player here. One of the best in the world, played for many of the best Battlefield teams in the world. I’m saying this, because the reasoning behind why the Model 10-A isn’t OP, is a bunch of illogical reasoning based on nothing. I know what I’m talking about, and if you’d like to go into detail proving how you are wrong, and the Model 10-A is OP, I’ll happily do it. I’am thoroughly exhausted from the casuals who apparently know more than the experts.

And don’t get me wrong, I get it. You’ve never been able to do anything in any Battlefield game before, until you started using this gun, and now all the sudden you can actually do work. Sorry, but you didn’t earn that, so you don’t deserve it. I earned the skill I have, I choose weapons based their versatility, not what is easiest. If you want to get better at the game, you’ll need to adopt that mentality.

You have a far better chance of beating any of the elite classes in close range than you do against a shotgun.

“Every time there’s a decent weapon people and cry that it needs to get changed. There’s plenty of ways to defeat someone with a shotgun how about you just try being better?”

Its not possible to beat someone in point blank range if they have a shotgun… assuming they are capable of merely lining up the shot. Accuracy is irrelevant. Which should never be the case with a first person shooter.

“That is the range at which a shotgun should be op, it is a shotgun. If you are mad that you couldn’t kill him at close range witb a dmr, then get a reality check.”

So why is it this logic doesn’t apply to any other weapons? A sniper isn’t OP at long range, SMG’s aren’t OP at short range, and semi-auto rifles aren’t OP at medium range…

"inside of 15 meters its a sure thing center mass. but its a f***ing watergun outside of about 20 meters. that gun is totally fair and shouldn’t be nerf’d. If youre sprinting through a hallway with an LMG and get dropped its your own fault "

So because its designed like a shotgun its totally fair and shouldn’t be nerfed…

“That gun is so satisfying to use but so frustrating to be used against.”

Gee golly, I can’t help but wonder why on earth you’d feel that way…

“Shotguns are supposed to one shot kill in close range - otherwise nobody would use them. So it’s fine the way it is - same way as sniper rifles one shot kill in their “sweet spot”.”

What sweet spot? You mean a headshot that actually requires accuracy? That doesn’t make any sense. So sniper rifles are perfectly balanced because they require a headshot for a one shot kill, but shotguns are perfectly balanced because you don’t even need a headshot? lmao This is embarrassing reading casual gamer’s comments.

Any other illogical and not thought out at all arguments for why your crutch isn’t overpowered? I’d thoroughly enjoy correcting and educating you casual Battlefield players.

The solution to this problem is simple. Unless the range is 5 meters or less, you should require a headshot. Its a shotgun, meaning you should have to use it like one. The problem that noobs don’t understand, is almost all first person shooters are designed where the majority of the action is relatively close range. Making the shotguns typically the most overpowered and best weapons.

You shouldn’t be rewarded for participating, you should be rewarded for accuracy, and out playing the enemy. Using a shotgun requires no skill what so ever.

Buddy, bring in some stats from bftracker please.

[sg2434]

@KimJongCondor

@sg2434

Sniper rifles don’t actually require a headshot 100% of the time to get a 1 shot kill. Hence the “sweet spot” find the right range and you’ll be getting 1 shot kills all day, shooting in the toe or the head.

Oh snap, did I just educate an elitist?

Nope. Objectively speaking wrong. The only reason you think that is the people you killed were already wounded.

Care to tell me why it says “enemy hit +100” then when it happens? If they were already hurt they wouldn’t have 100 points of health to give me. You should try looking things up and actually testing things before talking out your .

[KimJongCondor]

@Goldhawk1

lol, what. I use said shotgun and its complete RNG. Something can’t be OP when it merely has a chance to kill someone.

If you think its RNG, I’m embarrassed for you lol.

It isn’t. Again, objectively speaking.

[fvmz]

@KimJongCondor

“Shotguns are supposed to one shot kill in close range - otherwise nobody would use them. So it’s fine the way it is - same way as sniper rifles one shot kill in their “sweet spot”.”

What sweet spot? You mean a headshot that actually requires accuracy? That doesn’t make any sense. So sniper rifles are perfectly balanced because they require a headshot for a one shot kill, but shotguns are perfectly balanced because you don’t even need a headshot? lmao This is embarrassing reading casual gamer’s comments.

Any other illogical and not thought out at all arguments for why your crutch isn’t overpowered? I’d thoroughly enjoy correcting and educating you casual Battlefield players.

The solution to this problem is simple. Unless the range is 5 meters or less, you should require a headshot. Its a shotgun, meaning you should have to use it like one. The problem that noobs don’t understand, is almost all first person shooters are designed where the majority of the action is relatively close range. Making the shotguns typically the most overpowered and best weapons.

You shouldn’t be rewarded for participating, you should be rewarded for accuracy, and out playing the enemy. Using a shotgun requires no skill what so ever.

I don’t disagree about the A-10; however, I have to correct you about the rifle’s sweet spots. They’re one hit kills in their sweet spot to the body and head, which is a terrible mechanic.

[Myrm1don]

As crazy strong as the shotty is, and for the most part I agree, the thing is I never see noobs with massive kills or kd/r even when using the shotgun.. only in the hands of a player who is proficient and would do the same thing with an automatico anyway.

[Kirk40k]

Jeez… it’s just a game, relax a tad.

I wonder what a DICE Developers feels when the read the opening paragraph. Do they shake their head and say, “Well I guess my hard work created this ego.” or is it more like “I designed the game and I know the actual hard stats on these weapons.” or is it they get half way through the first paragraph and click the back button on the browser?

[KimJongCondor]

@Just_ile97

Buddy, bring in some stats from bftracker please.

One of the biggest mistakes you can make, is bringing up stats to a pro. lol

Rhetorical question; why do you think no pro team ever hires players based on their stats?

[Kane333]

Complaining about shotguns? The ?

[lerki0]

Honestly considering the engagement ranges in this game if you are running a shotgun I say good look to you, you’ll spend most of the game looking at your corpse in the middle of nowhere praying for a revive.

[KimJongCondor]

@sg2434

Care to tell me why it says “enemy hit +100” then when it happens? If they were already hurt they wouldn’t have 100 points of health to give me. You should try looking things up and actually testing things before talking out your .

Your argument doesn’t make any sense in the first place. Shotguns don’t have zeroing.

[pvrple_rain]

I lost interest at the elite self gratification intro…

[crabman169]

Model 10-A is 50/50 chance of either ohk or just no damage whatsoever. It excels in close quarters when used correctly (it’s a shotgun) but step outside your range and it’s not gonna be easy; can still do it but you’re more than likely to get picked off first.

M87 is good but not as good. It’s ability to slam fire is a squad cleaner but again it suffers from 50/50 chance of doing any damage whatsoever and a potential ohk.

Auto 5. Why would you use this? It’s mediocore which is good because it’s a semi auto shotgun. You have the potential is squad wipe with this but you have to be precise and close whilst hopping the 50/50 chance is on your side for those shots. Top it off it can not use a bayonet; it’s literally a corner camping spam cannon that’s Hit 'N’Miss