That robo arm Braveheart looking dude will probably be a elite skin at some point lol
The only women I remember seeing in BF1 were of the Russian faction, which is accurate. Also true for WW2 but there are no Ruskies
Nobody cared about women in BF1 because they were based on a Russian battalion of female snipers. There was at least some historical precedent for it.
Honestly anybody who doubts that the social movement part of BFV hurt sales is fooling themselves.
We’ve got a WW2 game with zero famous battles, barely any content, a delayed release, an awful reveal trailer, divisive game mechanics and lack of focus, bugs bugs and more bugs, and a whole host of other issues but it’s calling out a few internet losers that can’t handle women being in a game (and likely aren’t BF fans anyway) that made the game sell poorly. I bet. When a game sucks I tend to think it’s the being bad part that hurt sales more than anything.
I disagree with part of this. Very few people care about women in video games. That’s not the crux of the issue here, the issue is people have an expectation for WWII media and women on the front lines goes against that expectation. There isn’t a market for a WWII game that markets an “immersive experience” and then breaks almost every known convention about WWII’s history.
The same people who said “lol these losers just don’t like wahmen in vidya gamz” are the same people who were surprised the game sold poorly. It’s not about women in video games, it’s about shoehorning modern social constructs into a setting when it makes no sense to do so.
I would’ve been surprised if it sold well, not if it sold poorly. Nothing about the game screamed quality prior to release. The alpha/beta painted a pretty clear picture to me. The game was in bad shape and the launch delay wasn’t nearly long enough. The game wasn’t finished. They haven’t improved the game much at all since launch either so it’s no surprise that it never gained momentum.
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You’re greatly overestimating the importance of player model authenticity I think. CoD WW2 is a fine recent example of people not giving a crap about that stuff. Outside of the internet bubble people in real life don’t care about this stuff enough to stop buying things they like. Now go smash your Keurig.
This ^^^
Well yeah, the idea of “historically accurate” but with Fortnite skinz never made any sense in the first place!
My problem with the game, as a whole currently, is that:
The maps are forgettable
More and more focus is going to infantry
Vehicles are too rare and largely unbalanced (BF4 had good vehicle balance)
Every bug fixed breaks something else
More and more focus is going to infantry
New content is being released at a anemic rate
No battle feels unique, just uninspired (Fjell)
The new suppression system is counterproductive
Too many things getting nerfed
And…
More and more focus is going to infantry
I play BF for a large battles with a combined arms approach to combat. This is not that game anymore, sadly
BF has been competing with CoD for soo long it’s as if they are bending over backwards for that playerbase while forgetting what made BF great to begin with.
While I get your point let’s leave it out with the political references/slogans. ~Rtas
The funniest thing is, normally with the ToW We can see 2-3 Weeks ahead. At the moment, we literally only see 1 Week ahead, and I almost expect us not to see Week 9 Even when it moves over to Week 8 In two days. It’s almost like the content isn’t probably ready or something. xD
Five straight weeks (and maybe more) of skins is definitely a bad look. It’s also really frustrating when you know they’ve been sitting on so many finished guns that they’re holding back because they want to wait for faction releases and the holiday season when they make a last big push for game sales.
The reveal trailer did irreparable damage to the game, then the mechanics, net code, and bugs finished off the rest of the playerbase, both long time and casual fans.
BFV was marketed as a different take on WW2. It was never going to be like BF1. They couldn’t have made that more clear. This shouldn’t have taken anyone by surprise and it’s HARDLY in the top 1000 issues in the game. What we were promised and what we have not gotten (and what people should ACTUALLY be upset about) is the content or lack there of
I know it’s not a reveal trailer but look at this beauty from Battlefield 4
. Impossible to watch that and not get hyped. Nothing leading up to BFV launch even came close to that. I mean.. look at this overly scripted junk
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Can I just say to all of the people who remarked that BF1’s Russian women generated no controversy … there absolutely was controversy when DICE made that decision. People like MarbleDuck complained quite a bit about it, and there were plenty of YouTube videos that generated hundreds of thousands of views by criticising DICE over this. These very forums saw a lot of anger over the decision.
Women in modern FPS games are also generating controversy. The female Kurdish fighter in Insurgency Sandstorm was not well received, although that may have been down to her offending the game’s Turkish fanbase. The black female Marine and female SAS soldier in Modern Warfare 2019 got criticism on Reddit and YouTube too, and I bet that once the game releases, there’ll be more complaining about this. WW3 said that they’d allow for women in the Russian forces, and the Steam forums blew up over it. There’s definitely people out there who’ll always complain about women in non-fantasy FPS games. DICE could release BF2143 with women and these people would still complain about ‘accuracy’.
With that being said, this game has a hell of a lot of serious issues. CoD WW2 generated controversy for having women, but that game wasn’t dealing with such a backlash once it got released … people moved on after a while, and eventually, the fanbase forgot the controversy ever happened. I think it might have been down to the game having relatively few issues (compared to BFV) and the fact that Sledgehammer Games reacted to fan backlash a lot better than DICE did … honestly, if DICE had handled it better, people could have moved on from this too. DICE shouldn’t have assumed that everyone who was criticising them was ‘toxic’ or whatnot … plenty of people were being very reasonable with their suggestions and reactions. DICE’s response could easily be interpreted as painting every critic as a bigot, and that was the problem … even if that wasn’t what they were going for, that was the result they achieved.
I watched the V trailer and I’m livid at the historical inaccuracies!!
I’ve been here since launch and why the hell are all those soldiers running about in the open PTO! They should be prone in bushes with their MMG’s at the ready.
And what’s that tank doing attacking an objective? Mental! Our tanks park up on hills dammit!
And there was nowhere near that many classes in game. 13 snipers per team, minimum!
This is just toxic, exciting, good gameplay propaganda!!
Hi,
I really do not understand why there is any complaint about the artistic licence of any game. It is just that, a game. Does anyone believe that the game is an accurate portrayal of history ?.
It is like someone complaining that they cannot spend Monopoly money down the shops.
Regards,
Shadders_X.
Could say the same about movies for example. It’s just a movie…
If you’re told the movie you’ve just bought a ticket to is a movie about the American War of Independence (and you might even have bought the ticket for that exact reason), and halfway in an actor whips out a Colt revolver and shots 6 enemies. ***Some, *not everybody, but some, would wrinkle their nose and say “wtf was that”.
Players have different opinions about how important this is. And no, despite the impression you sometimes get on this forum, there’s nothing wrong with liking authenticity, realism or immersion.
Now I know some would say Dice never promised anything and they can go any direction they want, it’s their game. They did say it was a WW2 game, and said it would be immersive, but there’s a lot of wiggle room even within those parameters. Fair enough.
BUT, that does NOT make it a dirty thing to *ask *for it. To hope for it. To critisize Dice for the direction they took (god knows they are critisized for numerous other aspects of the game).
They really deserved this.
This was an amazing opportunity to make the best WW2 game - must have. But nope.
About womens… I have zero problems with females in the game, it just about setting and how they are represented in that game. We have great examples of females in the WW2, but these EDUCATED devs decided to make fantasy females and use them at all places - because they are educated.
Im just angry that they missed such opportunity with WW2.
They had Truckloads of reference and material to make a WW2 game that would have blown away everyone. All I kept thinking was Frostbite in WW2. My mind was racing with the amazing Battles and fights we would get. No. We have weak Vehicles,Forced females,super soldiers sliding and running fast and COD gun mechanics.
What we have is a embarrassment to WW2. Nothing but maybe Devastation looks WW2. Nothing feels WW2 and it makes me so Angry. I was so hyped for WW2 by DICE and it could have been something so special it could have surpassed any Battlefield before it. Battlefield 1 feels more WW2 then Battlefield 5.
Whoever came up with the ideas for BFV needs smacked in the face literally. And honestly they should be ashamed for putting out this Filth. I have zero Faith in DICE anymore. ZERO. I have zero Faith the Pacific will be anything but a Disaster.
It’s going to take a Battlefield that is better then any Battlefield to date to gain my trust back.
Wake Up DICE.
Hmm, yeah the ToW are pretty underwhelming. New cosmetics only work for 50% of the rounds, since they are faction specific, a facepaint works all the time, yet is somewhat moot, especially with the massive amount of facemasks available. Weapon skins are only for one weapon and usually the standard weaponry we already have five of (Like having 7 skins for the Sten, MP40 yet only one for the ZK and none for the Tommy Suomi). A knife is just something that I use very rarely, I might have 100 melee kills or probably less. A tank camo is nice, but again it is only for one vehicle of one faction. That is just not worthwhile.
I stopped playing BF last week, although it is also partly due to my mouse having issues with Windows 10, so auto fire does not work all the time. The other reason is that the interest after 8 months just stalled and this is partly due to ToW being disappointing.
Now if the new skin was released for all base-game weapons I would say this is very good, or if a new helmet, were rather two helmets, one for each faction, that I would call decent. The weapons they added are also often not what I play, I do not like MMGs and got two so far, I do not play BAs and got, 1 or 2. At the same time there are about a dozen weapons ready for release or very close to ready, some being in the files since December, that is actual content for everyone as people will use it for 100 kills or more.
Colers on Symthic put it really well: “They could lead up to Chapter 5 with a bang, after the trust and hype dropped for so long, by releasing relevant stuff for all the weeks and make Chapter 4 really worthwhile.”