Won’t lie, i wouldn’t doubt anger gamer’s this year, we were expecting complete finish ww2 that blow every mind but the game took different path and.. marketing
skill… , Just example Epic exclusivity too BorderLand 3, metro exodus , Fallout 76 un finish,ton of bugs, information leak , these are some popular game from Triple AAA gaming company and so on Popular qoute “Get woke get broke”. But as DICE mention , everything in battlefield V is testing.
Tow has become a joke and the worst thing is that the people at ea dice must know what the tides of war rewards are and think it is fine.
The tides of war thing is supposed to keep people playing, in my experience it did the opposite my whole group of regular players stopped at the first mud on the face paint. We had plane variants a new tank then face paint.
The clan members I play with now don’t even know what the tides of war is and only come to the game for practice sessions most of the time.
TOW isn’t anything special and if that’s the best they can come up with for progression then all is lost.
I also love how they nerfed the points for each unlock so it takes longer and makes people buy the TOW rewards. Real scummy work right there.
I use to be a defender of DICE and Battlefield my brain hurt. Now I have nothing but disgust for BFV and DICE. I’m done.
I like the game and still play but tow is getting rediculus.
Sensationalist language aside, he had a point. Sure there is no oppression going on, obviously, but DICE’s decision to include social issues in a game set in WWII really threw off the setting and defied consumer expectations.
This game had a rough launch, and bugs weren’t the biggest issue at the time. It was the fact that people’s expectations for a WWII game were not met and a lot of that had to do with things like putting women on the front lines of WWII. The bugs and rudderless design are certainly issues, but those are more like nails in the coffin at this point.
I think one thing led to another. The failure that was BFV only made people who already criticized the trailer more justifiable and vocal and who can blame them? With the woman problem, aside the pilots they’re player choice. They’re not forcing anyone so no harm done but it feel out of context no doubt.
What’s a failure? I’m sure DICE made a lot of money.
As far as players, sure the forum here has propagated some hate of the game… but nonetheless I’m not sure the fraction of players here can be called the BFV “community”.
Yeah, I really think if Battlefield V was a better game this controversy would just be background noise. Too many examples of games where people complained yet still sold well. People are really loud on the internet but people will still buy a game if they think it’ll give them a lot of fun. MW2 for PC is another example even if it wasn’t political. The
steam group page meme still makes me laugh.
If people complained about Inglourious Basterds being historically inaccurate we’d call them idiots.
Sir, YOU may not think it’s right. Some may agree. Some may disagree.
But,
The sentence that I quoted from you was still just a little out of line.
Also, obviously I had a point because that thread was quickly locked.
its almost like trying to do politics in a video game about a period that incites so much passion, was a bad idea, wow, noone could have seen that coming.
Sarcasm aside,
I understand that using video games, or any medium for that matter, to promote change and acceptance, but there is a place for everything and it has to be done responsibly. Im pretty sure there would have been alot less anger if they had a cow about people making jokes about female soldiers, and the stupid chat censorship.
If you want to make a message, make a story, an original story, in an original setting, to convay that message properly. Dont try to bend and smash it in, no one likes that, and its the same behaviour that makes people hate religious groups.
and on TOP OF THAT,
We are drip fed content, which would be fine, if it wasn’t that said content could be completely consumed within 3 hours of game play, which makes me feel even worse about buying the Deluxe edition, which I had bought, honestly because of that faith i put in the company and the franchise, despite all the negative press.
Hi,
I still don’t get the issues of BFV and women, and all the other stuff.
They had zombies in CoD - not sure if it was WW2 ???
I would buy the game (BFV) is they fixed the visibility, sound, and removed the revive animation etc.
Regards,
Shadders_X.
There is no issue around women in BFV. Adding women does not detract from the gameplay nor does it enhance the gameplay. The game’s review score will remain exactly the same if it didn’t feature women. Adding or removing a certain group of people does not make a game automatically better or worse.
Women are not the problem; no way. The EA execs politicising the game and insulting their own fanbase is/was the problem. You have these millionaire executives telling what you should believe or else you’re ignorant and on the wrong “side of history”.
Contrast this to CoD WW2: it had women as well but the devs and execs didn’t respond to any of the controversy and instead let people argue amongst themselves. And when the game was actually released, the “controversy” was all but forgotten and irrelevant.
So ill try to explain this issue as fully as possible:
The issue isnt so much that there are woman in battlefield, its the issue that:
- The devs pushed them so far in peoples faces it felt more like political commentary than a video game
- Some of the devs held a whole press conference essentially calling all people who raised an eyebrow at it bigots and misogynists
- The game showed off women as a choice for people to pick depending on how they felt, but then forced all players to play as women in tanks and plane, which, for people who want to play as themselves (if they are men or a non-white woman) rubs them the wrong way
- 1 of the solo campaigns depicts a mission that ACTUALLY happened, the bombing of the Hydroplant in Finland, but it was accomplished by 10 British Special Forces men, not he daughter of a resistance fighter, so people felt that was like re-writing history purely for SJW points
This is a game about the 2nd world war, and yes women did participate, but more often in support roles or propaganda roles, so people feel its too forced the way BF does it. After all, they came here to play a game about World War 2, which is meant to be an escape from reality, which is often full of political activists and reformist, and whether their individual demands for reform are right or wrong, extreme or mild, people dont want them in a shooter game they play for fun. a game they play to escape the mundane and into the heart stopping action of battle
I went with an extreme example for comedic effect because I think I’m way more funny than I actually am. I’m pretty perfect otherwise so I’ll have to let that slide.
edit: upon further inspection of this chain of quotes i edited out the rest of my post due to near-complete irrelevance lol
There’s a wide spectrum of opinions and feelings about the way DICE approached history and setting in BFV, so for better or worse there’s a discussion to be had. Things like hit registry, matchmaking, invisible players, performance issues, and so on are unquestionably bigger and more important issues, but there’s nothing controversial about them. Everyone agrees that the bugs suck and need to be fixed.
(I will say that I disagree with you about revive animations. Having them cuts down on foolish Rambo revives that screw the guy getting needled and forces players to win fights or do something tactical before picking up teammates.)
Alright I’ve removed quite a few comments in here that are verging on political discussion and others that are just plain bickering. Keep this thread civil and keep to the forum rules with your posts or I’ll be closing it.
You know in BF1 being revived (returning a ticket) even if instantly killed (losing it again) has no ticket cost and still helps the revived player, because after the second death they can respawn instantly?
Reviving in a dangerous situation is only bad for the medic.
Unless you are suggesting that whatever got you killed the medic should usually be able to deal with before reviving you? Yeah, because medics are the roughest toughest class…
In BF5 they doubled down and made reviving in a dangerous situation totally deadly for the medic and give no advantage to the revivee.
Reviving is yet another thing BF1 did great made worse in BF5 (especially since they omitted the corpse dragging that was supposed to mitigate the long revive animation).
What I especially love in BF5 with revives, is when you crawl to a buddy who you think is in a safe location, start the revive and because the corpse is oddly positioned, PING you are teleported to standing over his corpse in full view of the enemy.
Hi,
You dont understand the issues? Well, in the real life when you are going to write more serious work like bachelor - take setting A and lets start writing about B. Good luck.