This Week in Battlefield V - January 6th Edition

Battlefield V General Discussion
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Nice how you want respect if you completely dont respect the community and its wishes… it just shows how most of the big companys now days think. Profit Margin is the only thing they care about they dont even seem to care about any issues.

to top it of no info was given again if something will happen to please the core players.. what a ballsy move would have been realising the HUGE MISTAKE you did with 5.2 and just rolling it back that would have given so many players such fun and great holidays but no you thought nah our new roadmap wants lower skilled people and also not to forget we need to make SMG fights happen allot since 3 (iam counting the BAR aswell..) NEW guns are all about CQB and the ppl must farm them to play and have the “new op” stuff.. nah this game gotten so bad just like BF1 thats ither 3x Scoper or Automatico close quarters feels kinda lame and almoast like Battlefront with its integrated Spread of bullets… i mean come on have you guys not played Battlefield 3 ? with stuff like the AEK or G3 ? where it was actually fun to play mid-long range combats and try and sneak over the battlefield utilizing cover to flank and kill? CQB is quite harder to coordinate expecially if you are identifyed as a hostile player with a HUGE Marker..
also i have noticed allot of Spoted ppl Blinking with Markers all over the place and its just plane and simply BAD… its just WRONG…
I Actually uninstalled and stopped Playing cause you Always say you care about Telemetry so mutch. But srsly why should i stop for that just to make a point ? No i just play like i dont care anymore and it even improved my kd … Just stay in mid range combat zone and one shot kill ppl with the Jungle carbine… (i bet you nerv that gun aswell although it stands no chance to the likes of any smg below 30m…) before i enjoyed the combat with an m1a1 so mutch just run and hunt tanks and help the team and cap objectives but now nah the fun is gone time to play meta guns and hoping to find a full and BALANCED server..

Maybe consider making 2 different Balance versions of the game regardig PC and Console…

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I Hope you noticed the Decline in Content Creators for this game aswell almoast NONE OF THEM played over the Holidays maybe look at those Telemetry Stats aswell? 95% of them lost the Joy in the game… Thx 5.2

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@CH3OCH3don’t conflate DICE/EA with the moderators. They are not employees of EA.

Just substitute ‘you’ and ‘they’ with ‘DICE/EA’, and it makes more sense.

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I’m not a moderator. I am a Community Manager based in DICE LA.

-Braddock512

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My apologies to you and CH30CH3!

I haven’t been paying enough attention.

Feeling a little foolish now…

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The changes were not an insult to you. That’s a bit dramatic.
And they were discussed previous to being released, then we pushed out a hotfix to make adjustments, and we’ll continue making adjustments.

We’re taking feedback and analyzing data and the Dev team will continue to make those adjustments - which is the opposite of contempt, and again, the dramatics seem a bit over the top. (I’m guessing your definition of “contempt” is “Do as I demand or you have contempt for me.” Well, that’s a bit over-the-top. I don’t have contempt for you, the Devs don’t, etc. But they have a plan and see a much bigger picture than you do regarding the changes and road forward for Battlefield V.)
That being said, I do understand your frustration but caution your “returning the favor” of your perceived “contempt”. Failure to abide by the guidelines of this forum - be constructive, don’t be abusive, etc. will result in suspension of posting privileges. I would hate for that to happen and absolutely would encourage constructive feedback - not just “revert! It sucks!” Be detailed. Provide specific examples of what’s causing you frustration without accusations, abuse or insults.

“No one likes” - That’s a pretty big generalization and unless you’ve asked everyone, it’s not accurate. I’ve engaged with countless players that have adjusted to the changes and are fine with continued tweaks. That may not be you, but please don’t assume you speak for the entire community, as you don’t.

“hopes in bringing in Christmas noobs” - I keep seeing this phrase randomly thrown about and it’s based on conjecture and assumptions.

“leaving us with a broken unsatisfing game to play” - Remove the word broken. It’s playable. It plays. It’s not broken. You may not like how it plays, it may not fit your style of play, but it’s definitely not “broken”. (There are some bugs the team are working to address with upcoming updates, and as we get closer to the release of those updates and details on those fixes, we’ll share that info.) I’m sorry you find it unsatisfying.

Do I think it’s okay for me and the Devs and other employees to take a holiday break? Absolutely.

Let’s keep it constructive, y’all.

-Braddock512

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No worries. Wasn’t my intention to call you out, just wanted to provide accurate info on my role within this community.

-Braddock512

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why didnt you guys take any of the advice of your so called ‘game changers’ or the community who were for the most part saying dont before you dropped the 5.2 patch? why do you still not listen? most of them say and lots of the community believe that 5.0 was the starting point for balance. many think, me included that 5.2 is so far off the mark that it doesnt have a good starting point. #greatestcommunityintheworld i think you would do well to listen to them and i also think this game is in dire need of a cte. the game was beginning to turn around with the release of operation underground and the pacific only to be undone by 5.2. a change you guys tried and failed a year ago and promised to never do again. the definition of insanity is trying the same thing twice and expecting different results. so yeah the community is mad and some are fed up. all i know is the game pre 5.2 was fun, engaging, and the gun play felt unique and lethal. now, none of that is true so rather than play a game that frustrates me i just dont.

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He’s just gonna keep using the same excuse that some people like the changes and that they’ll keep doing adjustments.
It’s no use.
Maybe when the game is dead they’ll think of a different strategy. :joy:

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  1. Just curious, what part of the OP’s post was insulting or abuse?
  2. How come cursing is frowned upon when there is cursing audio files in game? I mean calling someone a curse word is way different than simply using a curse word in a sentence, which in today’s world is understood as nothing more than emphasis to that particular point. I am getting mixed messages here and clarification would be welcomed.
  3. I am not discussing moderation, I am legitimately curious on the points I brought up. I’d hate for someone to get a ban for saying something that is seemingly innocent, but deemed against the forum rules.
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@Braddock512
I notice that you keep saying to keep it constructive and not just say “revert” but I honestly believe that this IS the community trying to be constructive. The specific details you are asking for is exactly what people have been saying—medium to long range engagements are really not very entertaining or satisfying and it seems like players are forced into either a <20m range or >100 meter range if they have any hope of being effective.

Like I said, the community is saying revert the changes because we think (I really do think it is safe to say we generally as there is overwhelmingly negative sentiment on social media, forums, and YouTube) that this is would make the game as enjoyable as it could be. So yes, I believe that the community suggesting to revert the changes really is constructive, but it seems as though it is instead being taken as some sort of personal attack to DICE and the dev team.

In reference to the future plans and bigger picture of the game, I understand that the developers have more of an idea than any of us, that’s just a given. My honest question to this is who is in the best interests for these changes and future plans? Not all, but MOST of the community have been against the changes and yes some have adapted, but I do not think it is dramatic to say that people are generally not having as good of a time as they were before 5.2 patch and the tweaks have made this marginally better, but still is not up to par with the previous TTK.

So, if the changes are not in the best interests of the core community of players that are taking the time to respond and make suggestions on the direction of the game, who exactly are the beneficiaries? I hope this comes off as constructive as I tried to be as thorough and honest as possible. I’m not trying to insult DICE or hurt any feelings, these are just my honest thoughts and opinions that I think reflect the sentiments of a large portion of the player base.

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Note, all our concise, constructive, well-thought-out feedback was and is consequently ignored by you (EA/Dice). No actions, almost no answers on it. Unless you want to call Hotfix 5.2.2. a reaction - I call it a piece of bungeling that fixed almost nothing.
The community is in protest for weeks now - and you just try to sit it out with some nebulous announcements about further “tweaking”. The community has learned to fear your “tweaking” , usually after your tweaks it’s worse than before.
The solution for all this mess is obvious for all to see, it’s revision 5.0 which was near to “perfect”.
For these reasons “REVERT!” is the only correct term to ask you to fix the game which you have deliberately destroyed for so many of us.

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  • GunFight until update 5.0 was good, the change in update 5.2 was devastating for most soldiers, I played the first day and it was frustrating so I stopped playing, came back in 5.2.2 and this update softened a little but it’s still bad. (Dev’s making such a change based on telemetry data/statistics is absurd, they don’t even seem to play the game ¬¬)
  • Nambu Type 2A needs adjustments
  • Why do Dev’s protect aircraft so much? fixed and mobile antiaircraft only cuddle airplanes, and the only equipment the infantry possessed to take down the Fliegerfaust aircraft is useless now.
  • Balancing we all know is a chronic franchise problem, but in this Battlefield V is much worse, a little is due to the lack of players but the balance system is “broken”.
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Hi @Braddock512 

I’ve no issue with the weapon changes I’m fine with 5.0, 5.2 and 5.2.2.

The problems for me on PS4 (EU) revolve around performance regarding TTK/TTD desynchronising, death behind cover, missing hit reg etc.

5.2 actually saw a significant improvement and whilst 5.2.2 has dragged it down again it’s still nowhere near as bad as 5.0, so it is appreciated.

I was wondering if going forth it might not be better for Dice to continue in its various tweaks to BFV with a mind to provide separate balancing for the platforms.

I think the gap between current generation Console and PC is just too great for the current one size fits all strategy Dice is currently using.

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90% of the player base is not happy with the ttk change,they want respect but don’t even respect the community who have stuck with this game.when dice broke the news on the new ttk most people went ballistic thats fact.The community said we don’t want this change but dice went ahead and did it anyway.The weapons we’re in a good place before and they screwed it up.Dice don’t listen to the community fact,and they want respect what a joke.

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Game mechanic changes at this point (a year + in) is wrong, and all it did was change which are god guns and remove most recoil.

Energy should have been expended on a working balancer, working anti-cheat and a FUNCTIONAL rented server program.
I feel like we are Beta testing this.

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Not entirely broken. Yeah its playable. But not as fun as 5.0. As for broken yeah some bugs came back. The downed state is back and in full force. I got it 3 times in a weeks play. Heck we got that Sparta bug for the hotfix. Also the late rendering of soldiers at beginning of the round is back for each match now. That old bug came back for 5.2 and 5.2.2.
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Also nerfing tank mines was lame. Need 4 now to complete the job now. As for DICE meeting us half way in the revert. Well whats the point. DICE just killed off, people using about 80%+ of primary weapons. Maybe only 10 worthy one’s to use or so. Luckily the newest ones are good like the BAR and typeA2 to be put on the good pile of weapons to use. Heck the final node in this weeks TOW didn’t count unless your squad leader. That was another major bug.

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I still think it was a bad idea to make the game nerfed so more Christmas players have a advantage or sales. Sales? Game been on sale April when I bought it. Nobody had to hold my hand to win. No advantage other them leaving, and leaving the rest of us with lopsided teams then people leave. Also lame playlists of conquest mixed with breakthrough is lousy idea. People constantly leaving once the mode they hate appears. If not the mode people leave cause they hate some maps.
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Like I mentioned many of times. Peak BF5 was 5.0 and Pacific maps. Bad enough the toilet plunger was delayed. Probably wont get that for this chapter since only two TOW’s left. So that’s pushed to chapter 6. Unless there’s a mini chapter between 5 and 6 with Solomon Islands. But still hoping that’s released next week. Wouldn’t seem right to push back Solomon Islands for a pacific map to be part of Chapter 6 with Russia.
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Also ttk and nerfed weapons didn’t fix anything really. Netcoding and hitreg goes off the rails with plenty of high ping players joining from quick match. Heck even loading into matches seems to drag on longer then what I remembered. Also some maps have us hanging in the sky with some weird camera view like Twisted Steel before it slams us to the ground then match starts.

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Abuse gets us nowhere I agree but I think the community is also feeling like “concise, constructive, well-thought-out detailed comments that cite examples and offer suggestions” aren’t really getting us anywhere either - it was an update people weren’t asking for that was prioritised over things the community were asking for and that the game really needed - this update has also been making the game crash a lot and the hit registration seems worse to boot - A full revert might not be necessary but ranged combat definitely needs to come back. People are angry cause they love the game and have paid money for things that were promised at launch and that we still haven’t got. And talking about insults do you remember when Patrick Soderlund called BF fans a bunch of uneducated misogynists? None of the swearing in that post was directed at you personally and it’s from a guy who’s paid his money and had his game stolen from under his feet? DICE promised they “wouldn’t make this mistake again” a year ago and here we are. You should be a little more understanding of how angry people are about this. How can you expect us paying customers to stay cool 24/7 when a company behaves like this. You buy a red car and wake up one morning around a year later and it’s orange. “Yeah I’m from Ford I just painted your car orange I thought it’d look better” “but I paid for a red car?” “Don’t get lippy with me” "Don’t like it, don’t drive it. Absolutely though if fans are just going to barrage people who work for DICE with personal abuse then you at DICE have no obligation to give those people a good time. But there are legitimate criticisms with this update that you as a studio should address properly. We’re mostly just individual gamers who don’t have much of a voice who’ve already paid the money. If we want to swear a bit give us a break… And the game is broken I’m sorry. All intentional decisions aside every 4/5 matches since 5.2 I spawn with no guns or texture and all the other players are this yellowish colour and it takes at least 1 min before they pop in. This is happening more times than not and 1/5 matches freezes and I have to restart my console. People are using some strong words and exaggerating a bit sure but the game isn’t working how it’s supposed to be since 5.2 for me anyway but I know I’m not the only one. It’s bugs like that that make people say “revert!!” rather than tweak because with every update, bugs like this pop up :confused: I’d say 9/10 posts at the moment are people not enjoying the TTK and these are on the same platforms people were using to unanimously praise how good the Pacific update was.

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Pray, do tell us about the bigger picture. This is the internet, so sharing pictures is quite common here. I would really prefer an actual picture over another text with made-up words like “Antivision”. Maybe you guys could define it please? Like, having a vision is something positive, yet the polar opposite of having no-vision, right? The prefix anti, is greek and also means opposite. But it can not be a synonym for not having a vision, right? So is it then the opposite of the your clearly communicated vision (“make a good game”)? Or is it reaching your vision through means totally opposite of what you usually do?

Just maybe communicating on a clearer and less confusing form would be something to keep in mind for the future.

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-Braddock512

As a battlefield veteran from BF 1942, let me share my POW on this whole TTK fiasco.

First time you have introduced these changes last year with reductions to max damage at range for all weapons. Blanket change which cause serious inconsistencies in the gameplay loop and made the game very unfun, because it went against the level design.

It did not work, you have apologized for this mistake, since this game is not a CTE, and it butchered the core game for all players and promised, you will not pull this stunt again…

End of 2019, after an excelent DLC, the pacific, the DEV team rebalances weapons, not with a blanket change, but to some tweaks to recoil, some tweaks to ROF and most important damage at range.

The change with 5.2 was terribly executed, probably with small amount of testing, the gameplay loop was not fun and made new meta guns, with almost 80% of other weapons in each class (apart from recon) obsolete.
The promise was to make more guns viable, but it achieved the complete opposite.

Fast 5.2.2 tweak to “add water to the burns”…
It did help to make the game less frustrating, however, the midrange combat is absolutely unfun.
You see, the problem is, this game and its level were designed with open spaces and mid to long range combat in mind.
This is the core problem. The DEVs are trying to bring people closer together on wide open maps.

The result is a terrible experience, where you can engage an enemy if you see it, however he is a bit far away because of the sightlines.. but why engaging if you cannot kill him even with a full mag. Even the best players will not hit every shot… this is not CSGO with precise spray patterns you can control. I played CS for almost 15 years, so I know how a refined gunplay plays.
It rewards skilled players, and that did 5.0 in a way aswell. Guns had actual recoil, so burst-firing was a great option and switching to single fire was a needed for some guns to be viable long range. It rewarded map knowledge, positioning, movement and gun control. Now we just have a meta, where a the highest ROF firing weapon wins, the guns are mostly lasers with almost no gun control needed (STG) and there is no point of using anything else, because after 5 hits, your target is still alive and running and in the meantime you have sights of his teammate on your head and you are going down with zero kills. On my behalf, I have no problem to topscore the match, however, its not fun for me to not engage because of the low damage, not because I cannot hit the player.

This game is now in a bad spot. Snipers should dominate long range, but why make the semi autos obsolete? M1 has 8 rounds in mag and a 5shot to kill at max range… like WHAT? Why should I run from the engagement if I can hit all my shots? Remember this is not CS where 1v1 engagements are normal. In battlefield, in almost every situation you engage atleast 2 players at a time and that is the problem. Big open maps with players cluttered together because of lowered damage model.

Now whats with the TYPE2A? Are you making fun of us? I mean, If the gun balance was untouched it would be a great addition, now its the GODGUN…

And let me have a few words to the spotting changes.
This is even more frustrating than the whole TTK change. Almost all the time, I am spotted, by scouts, planes (with invisible flares). This game was the perfect battlefield for me, guns were fun, rewarding, flanks were very satisfying because of no “Q spam” spotting.

The community is angry. Yet your response is, some people like it, so we listen to them and make some tweaks..
To be honest, this game is now nothing that the DEVS teased and marketed on launch. The “skilled” and more HC battlefield is getting more and more casual with each update. Its almost like false advertising, on which we should get a refund..

To finish this post, I am still playing the game, however this is just the tip of the iceberg, when the game has so many problems, as NO ANTICHEAT, NO AUTOTEAMBALANCER, NO TEAMSWITCHING, LACKLUSTER RSP and the lack of content this live service is providing. For me the premium model was thousand times better, because the content provided was actually good.

There is zero community involvement and build up. No dedicated servers for us to have custom rotations, server rules and server names…

I am not mad, just very dissapointed after seeing the rock bottom that the battlefield franchise hit with this game.
I still remember the reveal trailer, the horrible reveal event, the insults of being uneducated, the political propaganda in this game.

Please, for the majority of the players, bring the skilled gunplay back, with all its lethality and recoil.
Thanks,

David.