Where are the bolt action weapons ?????

Battlefield 1 General Discussion
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When watching the stream of BF1 I noticed that most people where using just machine guns.

This worries me.

Because I noticed that most of the gameplay pacing feels the same as most battlefield games as a result. I know… I haven’t played the game yet and it was a pre-alpha build but that is what it seemed like.

If you look at images of world war 1 bolt action rifles where everywhere yet BF1 has hardly any. Yet they only seem to be available for the sniper and only with a scope.
I am not saying make the game ‘realistic’, its an entertainment product.

EA has had balls for using the WW1 time period. However, I hope if they care about creating a unique game that doesnt feel like the last. I hope they make some changes.

The assault class with bolt action rifles don’t have to be as effective as a snipers, the snipers have the advantage with the fact the gun is scoped. But having iron sights will allow more precision and people would need to take cover more and therefore changing the pace of the game.

I have seen many people feel the same. Here are some images from comments BF1 YouTube comments

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*These were all on one video:

Video: Battlefield 1 All Guns Overview | BF1 Gameplay

Here are some forums on this site that agree

Bolt Action Rifles are not for all class?

No standard issue bolt-action rifles? the main infantry weapon?

I have high hopes for this game, and I hope EA listens to the community and makes some changes.

EDIT : I didnt mean the game should be realistic, being shelled in a trench for hours and my character getting trench foot is not what I wan

In addition,I dont want the game to be 99% bolt action rifles, that would be bland, but I do want them avalible.

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Classes should be different to each other and weapon variety is an important thing. Having only or mostly bolt actions would get stale pretty quickly.
DICE is not going for realism. BF1 will have plenty of prototype weapons and other weapons that weren’t that widely used but existed at that time.

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Oh look, guys, another person making suggestions, that would essentially ruin this game, solely on the grounds of realism!!!

Battlefield isn’t a realistic game. Liberties are taken to make the game fun and enjoyable for BATTLEFIELD fans - and a game where 60 out of 64 players are running around with bolt-actions ONLY doesn’t sound like a Battlefield game at all. That game would suck.

^ And that’s coming from someone (me) who literally ONLY uses bolt-action rifles in these games.

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I said “I am not saying make the game ‘realistic’, its an entertainment product.”
I was trying to say it would feel more authentic
It would change the gameplay pacing

I don’t want a realistic bf1. I would not enjoy having a level where you sit in a trench getting shelled or my character gets trench foot.

Seriously, I put that line in there for a reason.

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I meant have those weapons but with bolt action rifles, so people can use bolt action rifles aswell as SMG’s, I agree if it was mostly BA rifles it would get bland.

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Two classes out of four are equipped with slower handling weapons (Medic and Scout), that is changer from BF4 where every class did have access to full autos. Besides, variety is the spice of life, no need for generic primary weapons in name of realism.

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Bolt actions weapons are in the scout classes. Dice confirmed that you can remove the optics!

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The weapons included in the game are authentic WW1 weapons, whether they were used or not. That’s the authenticity DICE is going for.

Making the game 99% bolt-action rifles wouldn’t make the game feel more authentic, it would make the game feel more REALISTIC in terms of what was REALISTICALLY taking place in the REAL World War 1.

Liberties are taking when that reality to make for FUN video game that represents Battlefield games and how they’ve always been - not to make a game that’s monotonous, campy, and slow because everyone and their mom is using a bolt-action.

What you’re describing is increasing realism, not authenticity. They’re not exactly synonyms.

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They need to make bolt actions (non scoped) an option for ALL classes.

Make them long-range weapons with high dmg. Then you’d see a LOT more of them and imo it would work best, because it would make them the most open weapon while also allowing those classes (if they choose) to use the smg’s or other things.

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Video: BATTLEFIELD 1 SNIPER GAMEPLAY (PC IRON SIGHT)

Arguably after watching this manually operated guns like bolt actions or a Lever action shown in the video is the best weapon in the game. He was able to use this weapon at every range , beat players using full autos and damage vehicles. Just use bolt actions anyway just because everyone is using full and semi autos doesn’t mean you cant play as a rifleman.

That being said as long as they don’t nerf these weapons.

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I obviously haven’t made my points clear enough. My apologies.
Some people believe that I want the game to be completely realistic and only really have bolt action rifles.

I didnt mean the game should be realistic, being shelled in a trench for hours and my character getting trench foot is not what I want

In addition, I dont want the game to be 99% bolt action rifles, that would be bland, but I do want them avalible. A lack of verity is boring.

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And they are available - just as available is literally every other Battlefield game in existence.

I find the fact that people are arguing that bolt-actions should be available to all classes when they literally have the option of playing with bolt-actions whenever they want ridiculous.

Bolt-actions are part of the game - literally anyone can play the Scout class, there’s no class limit. Just because bolt-actions aren’t all-class weapons doesn’t mean they’ll be absent from the game - and if you DON’T want everyone running around with bolt-action rifles, then what’s the point of making them an all-class weapon?

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Saying “Less variety is boring” is moot, considering the lack of “variety” in WW1 weaponry is automatically going to make it less varied than pretty much every BF made. No ARs, no launchers, no crazy gun attachments, no LAVs, etc, etc, etc.

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Hence why they should’ve just gone with WW2 or Vietnam. Now they’ve created a game that is so far removed from its own time period that the WW1 theme is barely more than a graphical style.

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Well if the rifles are balanced properly then its unlikey people will run around with just bolt action rifles

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You don’t understand that if bolt actions (non scoped) were available to all classes that more people would use them?

There are people that would probably love to use them but don’t want to play as a scout and would rather play as a medic or assault class.

Making them scout only limits the amount of people that will use them because it’s tied to a specific kit.

Also I’d like to point out there were weapon types available to all classes in previous bf games, like carbines in bf4 for instnace.

With bolt actions being the main weapon used across the entire war in all nations, it would make complete sense to have them be like carbines and open to every class where the scout glass gets a scoped version of them or semi-auto rifles.

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My guess. Hours of trials showed developers that if everyone had bolt actions and ran around plinking at eachother it made the gameplay suck. So they did their research, added fun period weapons to make the game awesome. Be grateful.

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Well I wouldn’t give every one the same bolt actions and have the only limiting factor be a scope. Just make 2 separate bolt actions weapons. One for the Scout one for all kits. Basically Long rifle and Carbine. Long rifle would be better for long range with less bullet drop and less damage drop off while Carbines would have faster bolting speed but be less affective a range. Most army’s in ww1 already have this set up. Gewehr 98 for long range and the Kar98AZ for closer ranges. This was everyone can use a bolt action and you still have a varied difference between weapons.

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Why are you assuming that MORE bolt-actions on the battlefield would make for a good Battlefield experience? It would be one of the slowest BF’s yet, in terms of gunplay. Not to mention it would SUBSTANTIALLY increase the number of campers, which there are already enough of using bolt-actions as it is.

For one - the only “limitation” on bolt-actions in ANY Battlefield game is a naturally occurring limiatation, wherein most BF players like using automatic weapons, so naturally there will be less bolt-action presence.

There is not LIMIT to the number of people that can’ use bolt-actions - there’s only a naturally occurring decision one has to make - whether they want gadgets/mechanics from the OTHER classes more, or whether they want a bolt-action more. If you love bolt-actions, you’ll probably end up using them either way. And there were not ALWAYS “all-class” weapons in BF.

Sorry, but imo and that of many others, having a game where a huge amount of players are all running around with (or lack thereof) bolt-actions would make for one of the most boring and campy BF games in the history of the franchise.

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I’m sorry, but you’re acting like if they made bolt actions open to all classes that no one would ever use the smgs or class-specific weapons, and that’s absurd.

Just because Carbines were open to everyone in bf4 didn’t mean everyone used them only.

It just allowed people the option across all classes and made them a more common weapon.