Why did EA rewrite history and tell lies?

Battlefield V General Discussion
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Dear EA and Dice,

It has come to my realisation that your war stories are pure fabrication and your revisionist historical agenda disgraces the actual men who fought and died. This would of been ok if you told everyone at the beginning this game is pure fiction but you sold it as a fact?? WHY DID YOU DO THS??

Video removed due to inappropriate content. - EA_Cian

To summerise.

You completly revised and lied about the Norwegian and British commandos efforts in destroying heavy water. The story with the girl and her mother is just pure fabrication. Why didnt you tell the actual story about ‘operation gunnerside’, why lie and change it all?

Next up was the British SBS? You have now told the world that the British SBS was made up of hardened criminals? This is a lie and utterly destroys the memory of these brave men, you taint their memory. The British sbs were recuited from veteran royal marine comandos, they were all volenteers. Good honest hard working men who were ready to sacrifice all. Why change history? Why not actually make a story about ‘operation anglo’ why lie and dance on the graves of the allied fallen?

This one hits home for me because both my grandad and great grandad were royal marines.

Next up its the French treatment of its black fighters? You make it seem like the french treated black people badly and turned them into second rate fighters. You play on race divides and exaggerate racial hatred where there was none before. Why do you want to excite people and divide people. Why not tell the truth? This is excitement, which is a criminal offense if i remember correctly.

The blacks werent conscripts they were something even braver, volenteers and yes they bravely fought alongside allied white men. Race wasnt taken into account, a gun doesnt care about race, it is an equal opportunity killing machine.

Why did you re-write history? You wrote real heroes brave men out of their own story. You aim to incite racial hatred and divide people. Why?? All we want is a battlefield game about world war 2.

What the hell are you doing??? If this is fiction sell it like the wolfenstein series dont tell us its a simulator. Also why would any world war 2 game incite racial hatred and divide people?

After questioning your stories and finding that video (which i linked) your game and everything about it makes me sick. You released the game in the month which we honor our fallen our veterans and relatives, our fellow country men who died. This game isnt just a bad game its an insult.

In todays politically correct world i cant believe it has come to disgracing our past and covering it up in such a disgusting manner to appease some political agenda. I am lost for words in how angry this makes me feel.

I wear a poppy in honor, and across the world we hold silences to remember those men and women who died (yes this ww2 game utterly brushes over the pacific theatre, but nevermind, you mentioned black people and women, if your going to be politically correct at least do it right upon release. And why cut out japan and china, those guys are a big market. So not only do you fail in revising history you also fail from a money cash in perspective too).

Also, before you call me sexist.

I had a great aunt who worked in a ball bearing factory during the war in essex. Because all the men left for war she got up everyday for work.

The german bombing raids aimed for the arms factories and any factory aiding the war effort. The bombing runs came and went, women died, women got injured but women still kept going to work, they didnt complain.

This is bravery, not a gun to fight back? People died and did their duty.

You know what you should of made, a cinmatic / story master piece of women working in a arms factory. Their friends and families dieing and women going to work anyways, having to experience the pain and fear of being blown to bits. Or a soldier writting back home hoping his family and wife was safe even though the family was divided, the kids evacuated the country, the wife in a factory trying to keep the allied war machine moving.

Do you know what adds insult to the wound? Upon looking into this video i saw an article that says “battlefield fans who failed history are angry?” By a website called ‘theverge’. Really ea really? Its not good enough for you to disgrace our fallen that you try and say your game is fact?

I am a battlefield fan and have played and bought all your games. However i am sorry but this game makes me sick.

I dont even need to mention myself being uneducated or women on the front line. You destroy yourself before i even touch the subject.

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Maybe you should have read up on what BF V actually contains regarding the War Stories, rather than bursting like that. No one claims the War Stories to be accurate.

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Ye agree. Funny thing that Tirallier campaign is much more interesting then other 2. And yes, those Tiger tanks and Sherman Calliopa in 1940-1941 are really annoyng aswell. Also why german elite paratroopers doing garrison duty? I’m pretty sure thats it is fake aswell.

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When did DICE sell this game as fact, as you say. I must’ve missed that.

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@sendjes
Tell me im wrong??

Tell me ea didnt sell the war stories as fact and “the little known stories of ww2”. Tell me that upon investigating i didnt come across several articles saying i failed history or that i am uneducated.

Is this battlefield ww2 bad company? Is this marketed like wolfenstein. Is ‘excitement of racial hatred’ what we want from a fictional war story. Real life racial hatred too not a ‘to killer mockingbird’, but a change of story to make it look like slave market round 2.

Tell me, answer me. I want to know. Was this sold as this?

Did they say they were just inaccurate, or can we put them in line with a lie or just a complete work of fiction?

They seem based on real events and then revised to suit a political agenda. Tell me im wrong.

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The Nanking massacre comes to mind as events such as that are still a point of contention.

Also the Chinese government could potentially ban the game if they weren’t shown in the best possible light.

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@Ploodovic

Tell me where they said it was a work of fiction.

Looks like they took real actual events and revised them to suit a political agenda.

Tell me that im wrong. Show me that there isnt reviews telling me that “i failed history”.

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Maybe IDK it’s a Videogame and WW2 veterans probably could care less about a Videogame.

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They did say it’s only inspired by WW2. I guess you can use that as an excuse for not being shown as a fact.

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Because it’s EA and I’m definitely not getting Anthem now either.

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I just want to know why.
If you choose topics that existed, why not stay on the path of truth.

I understand slight changes because it cannot be translated into a entertainment story. But especially the norway war story is just unbelievable.
Why do you need to do that? What is the benefit here? Why can’t we be part of a commando squad? At least that would feel like a war story.

I recently played MoH:AA again. It’s definitely not accurate, but it is believable and feels like a war game.

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As mentioned in a previous topic, I had no issue with the war stories until I realized they had real counterparts.
At that point I began to wonder: Why significantly change the stories to when there is already a proper story to tell.

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No. You show me were they said this game is fact. It’s you that claim that. They said “untold stories of WW2” but that doesn’t automatically mean they’re fact. Stories can be a work of fiction, as you know, even when they take place in a historical setting.

Maybe my expectations were different from yours, because I played the war stories in Battlefield 1, but I never heard DICE say the stories in BFV were fact.

Show you there aren’t reviews telling you, you failed history? What?

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“untold stories of WW2” to me are stories that were existing but were not well known.
The works of fictions you talk about are better described as “Stories inspired by lesser known events in the war”
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Sorry but by the wording, I expected a more genuine story instead of that fan-fiction.

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Well, to be fair, the game mentions, just after the Norwegian mission ends, that “a bloodless commando attack would destroy all Norwegian heavy water in the spring of 1943”.
Also, in “Tiralleurs”, you can actually see the white officer in the truck that blows up behind the player at the very beginning of mission. The fact that this officer dies is what triggers the whole (hamfisted and unbelievable) story.

I think that it’s bit disingenuous to act surprised or shocked at historical inaccuracies in a WWII FPS AAA title. For example, the previous portrayal of the Rjukan sabotage in an AAA FPS (Medal of Honor, 1999), had an american OSS sabotaging the whole thing in 1945 (though previous operations were mentioned). The same game, in its opening intro about WWII, barely mentioned the brits, but never even mentioned the soviets. In fact, a good portion of WWII FPSs are power fantasies about white american superagents fighting armies of ¯_(ツ)_/¯ goons. So, what’s so bad about a woman in the norwegian resistance - a plausible thing - being the protagonist of an equally idiotic power fantasy? Medal of Honor Underground (2000) had you play as a resistance woman turned OSS agent fighting across Europe. Can’t remember the outrage.

The famed “historical accuracy” of the golden era of WWII FPS shooters often (although not always) didn’t go much further than the historical accuracy of the movies they were based on. Take the representation of Omaha beach, that had always resembled the set of Saving Private Ryan more than the actual thing, until Call of Duty WWII, with all its limits, had the location better researched, for once. Take the battle of Stalingrad in almost EVERY game, after anti-soviet tropes from Enemy at the Gates, with disarmed hordes of soviet goons sent in waves against machine guns. If you think that Battlefield V offends the veterans by pushing a false narrative - like if the sequel of a RUN AND GUN shooter set in WWI could have some historical pretense - you should ask around about “one rifle for two men” or “human wave charges” in 1942 Stalingrad, to see what’s really offensive: most people think it’s true. These are only a couple of examples, but the list of historical inaccuracies, agendas could go on forever.

In general, history itself is never neutral and always pushes narratives of some sort, so imagine how neutral fiction can be.

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Why do you listen to youtubers when it’s very well known that they are only farming views and money on controversial or hyped things? Those personalities are making such a gigantic deal out of this specific video game like Dice has performed a crime against humanity. I’m 100% certain there is not a single honest opinion in those videos. Just endless lust for attention and money.
And no, I’m not defending EA/Dice at all because the game has big amount of flaws and broken things but the whole “muh historically accurate game” thing is such a dumb argument, it shouldn’t even be considered as worthy of a reply. Not a single bf game before this one was “accurate representation” of any theme or time period.
Deal with it.

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I agree, that is a more descriptive phrase.

Did you play the war stories in BF1?

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I did and some were kind of believable compared to the ones in BFV that are pretty far fetched.

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Im pretty sure that they are based off of actual events because actually telling the real actual story may not have been possible.
First and foremost you need the person/kin permission to use them or likeness of them in the game which may have or may not have been possible. Most people don’t want to either relive or glorify the tragedy of war. There was a releastic game made based of a event that happen durong the Iraq war that was never released even thou the solider gave them accurate accounts and wanted the game made but the fallen soldiers families was outraged and out of respect they wont release it. If I come across the link I will put it for the video.
Secondly, the game is made for entertainment purposes and some of the stories mention there isn’t much entertainment in it. I dont really want to sit at camp and eat moss for 6 months.
Last point is simple and someone eluded to it already. They are not pushing a political agenda but actually allowing this game to fit in the current political environment. This game is sold worldwide so they really must take political governments and their policy and restrictions into account. Some countries are really strict about what they allow their people to be influenced by. Also ww2 in reality was a tragedy to the world and even movies have to change certain things just to be able to release the movie to the public. I would be upset if they named the mode “war-documentary” or stated these event are what really happened but instead they created a character gave them a story based of actual ww2 events that fit with the times of people playing today. I mean Game of Thrones is a great book but yet the tv show doesnt follow the book completely and have altered characters and stories but yet the creator of the book isn’t flipping out and actually approved the changes for the sake of tv. They are not trying to change history because the least bit of research you can find the actual events it is based off of which is great if people really want to know but dont blame the companies for developing games to be entertainment because if you really want to know the history of ww2 or any event in time a video game should not be a one stop reference.
People also should learn that immersion is the same realistic or authentic. Rpg games like final fantasy or WoW can be immersive so where is my dragoon that can jump into the clouds with my pet dragon at? Immersion is putting yourself in the character and playing them through your eyes and actions. This game gives you the tools to play a game the way you want even if you have never played this kind of game before. I want to get wrapped up in the game not a classroom. I think EA and DICE have a great game on their hands and while bugs exist they have proved in the past that it doesnt stop them from making a great game(BF4 seems to be a fan favorite and that started out worse then this did so i can only imagine how this will evolve and the live service is also something that I feel has potential for greatness).

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Yes I did and they more or less felt genuine other than the part involving Black bess fighting all these tanks alone