Player: Limit snipers (aka recon)!
Dice: Okay. Done.
Same Player: Limit assault! Too many scopes are not ptfo!
Dice: Okay.
Same player: Limit support! Too many prone!
Dice: sure.
Same player: Limit medics! The whole team is constantly being revived!
Dice:
Im all for cqb one shot body shots… don’t know why they removed them in the first place. they were a thing at least since bfbc2 all the way until bfh (in bf3 only after some patch) and I can’t remeber them being op. if anything it actually enabled a more offensive sniper gameplay. however 30 meters is too much as 30 meters is considered medium range and AR territory. One shot until no more than 15 meters would be perfectly sufficient.
that will however not happen most likely as it goes against the philosophy of having classes that are very specific in terms of their effective engagement distances.
Recons with a BA rifle can actually do very well in CQC
M95 is a beast up close, plus the Revolver is arguable one of the best weapons in the game. Sure every class can use it, but Recons absolutely need to be well versed in their side arm.
They also have throwing knives and these three weapons are a great combo for cleaning out Flags.
I’ve single handily cleaned out the B flag on Rotterdam with the throwing knife/revolver combo, and than sniped from the windows with m95 keeping the enemy team at bay.
I do find it frustrating that so many Recons don’t know how to be aggressive, and they think the only way to do well is to camp the spawn.
Even I’ll throw smoke at camping Recons
The camping recon problem is particularly pronounced on this week’s Squad Conquest playlist. :s In other larger modes, having four or five camping recons isn’t always a problem. They do nothing for the team, but they also don’t necessarily cause wipes. Having more than one camping recon in Squad Conquest is a death sentence.
Again, why aren’t these guys playing Team Deathmatch? What enjoyment do they get in losing over and over again in objective modes they don’t participate in?
I play only recon with ross 6x zoom. I play mostly objects but also sometimes i hold distance to be off close combat, but still im at least close to the flag. Anyway, it all depends of the player. Same way its annoying for me to rush with bolt action and get killed by corner proning support guy.
Yuk not me, I hated getting 360 no scoped by recons using a red dot at point blank in BF3. What we really need is recon to have solid CQB weapons in addition to long range only rifles.
The reason why so few play aggressive recon is because it’s hard. It’s so easy to get punished for small mistakes if you’re using pistol or a ba up close. If dice made ba better at close range fights I’m sure we’d see more aggressive recons, but since we have such a huge vocal group of anti recons I’m sure we won’t see them changing anything.
Recons have throwing knives, and pairs really well with the Revolver.
I’ve cleaned flags out with this. Just use a spotting flare and hunt down campers with the Knives/Revolver
An overall buff to the other side arms would be nice, as Recons have to rely on them more than any other class.
If you only gave them 5 bullets at a time with the only re-supply points being on a flag, the vast majority of snipers would never discover it.
It’s a tough balance, because if you make Recons more powerful in CQC than they could easily dominate at all ranges.
Perhaps a buff to the Recons weapon swap speed. Maybe it could always be 30% faster than other classes.
The m95 is a great BA for CQC does 80 damage. I think most BA should do between 70-80 max this combined with a faster side arm swap would be a good buff without being OP in my opinion.
Disagree, but good premise - no class specific buff/nerf, just make all the sidearm swaps faster. It will situationally benefit the snipers the most because the other classes would rarely utilize the swap (only when out of ammo). Again, good premise - I’m good with anything that brings people onto the objective because I want to win.
Add to my above post, the sidearm swap would also indirectly buff Support MMG players which would be appreciated after their latest nerf, just less so than snipers.
Yeah I’d be okay with that.
An overall buff to side arms damage/hipfire would also be nice. Just to bring the other sidearms up to the level the Revolver is.
That comment is out of context, it was actual in regards to Snipers being more on the flag and for that to occur massive changes to Recon would need to happen.
I’m all for making most of the better weapons higher level unlocks but making it so you pretty much have to be a high level to perform well is just stupid and reduces the importance of skill
Not for it all, turns off any new players putting all the better weapons behind a grind wall
Let’s remove classes and weapons altogether. The salt on these forums would be enough to dehydrate players to death
honestly, if youtubers who measure their success on how many kills they get on BATTLEFIELD they should be black listed on advice about how to make an objective (traditionally anyways) center game good
That’s what I was saying
Getting rid of the class wouldn’t change a thing. People that only care about their KDR won’t PTFO regardless.
It certainly doesn’t help that recon doesn’t have access to weapons that are great for aggressive play and comparable to what other classes have.
Glad to see after many months away from these forums and the game that people are still crying about the weakest recon class in the series.