[Megathread] BFV and Cheating Discussion

The GDPR won’t hinder EA/DICE from posting a banlist of players with their ingame name. “Banned player Elmo” wouldnt tell who the cheater really are.

If you wrote “We banned Elmer Fudd, Elms Road 39, postalcode 83211 Idaho” , THAT would be a breach because it could identify your unique personal ID.

Besides, write it in the EULA that EA sends 8192 lawyers to your home in case you get caught in cheating, and will sue (most likely your parents) for the rest of their and yours natural life. But no … these things costs money, same with AC thats why there isnt any in that game at all.

You all remember BF3 and BF4 ? How cheaters came on forum nagging all about they got an unfair ban ?

You’ve seen ANY of that in BF5 at all ? I havent …

True and you also dont see comments like, “never seen a cheater in xx hours”, “L2P”, “you’r just bad”.
Any threads about cheaters used to have a lot of theese comments. Now it seem most recognizes the problem.

Sad, but true.

@0ld_yell0w
GDPR includes the term online identifiers within the definition of what constitutes personal data (Recital 30 GDPR).
Account handles could under this be considered personal data as the handles are unique and can be used to identify people (unique identifier). In your example people that know Elmos identity in real life would be able to know that the data shared was about him because there would only be one person with the handle Elmo. As another example lets say jackfrags’ handle appeared in the banlist, all of his Youtube followers would be able to identify him if he appeared on a public banlist.

An example is mentioned here

An individual’s social media ‘handle’ or username, which may seem anonymous or nonsensical, is still sufficient to identify them as it uniquely identifies that individual. The username is personal data if it distinguishes one individual from another regardless of whether it is possible to link the ‘online’ identity with a ‘real world’ named individual.

Again, I don’t feel bad about cheaters having their names displayed in public, the more the better to prevent cheating - I just don’t think lawyers working for game publishers and developers would agree.

Its easy to talk about cheating, we all encounter it and even so if we report or talk with you about it nothing seems to be happening, I have had BFV for a months and every week I encounter cheaters and yesterday for 2 hours I tried to play for 2 hours and tried 5 different servers, in 4 of them there was a cheater.

I am not the guy who simply yell “A CHEATER” when I die, I know there is alot better players then me out there even if I would say I got some skills in FPS games. But ppl running around doing headshot after headshot and dont get anything else with a low lvl account you know what you are in for!

I really enjoy the game a month ago when I started and dont wanna go into the “TTK” changes made in the last patch in this thread but the cheating really starting to put me off the game, it feels like if you cheat it dosent matter too much becuse it feels they dont even get punished even if you report them via the ingame reporting system (going to their profile and reporting them). An anti cheating software should boot them off automatic and yeah, every game have their kind of issues with cheaters but BFV in general seems to have a bigger problem them most FPS games.

Players who log in everyday to play your game fair and square seems to be the one punished right now and I just a month in I am already tired of the amount of cheating going around and at the state we are on right now I would not recommend any of my friends who was going to get BFV to buy it right now even if every match is not a cheating hell many of the matches can be.

I think with last updates, cheaters have found a way to hide themselves. I see high sniper and tank results with low ranks. And they explain themselves with this thesis; we are worse than they and it is because of with the last update the other weapons become more like water gun.

DICE you need to do this edit on Fairfight immediately i think; if there is more than 8 headshots or 10 kills in a minute or less, fairfight should accept that this is 100% hack. There is no other option.

This is not a good way to say if someone cheats or not, I did get 7-9 kills within 20 second the other day while pushing on breakthough.

One more year and next-gen consoles will be out. I predict a lot of PC players switching to them.

Especially if they’re as powerful as an Nvidia RTX 2080 and can do 120fps with FreeSync monitor support. Plus offer a cheat free experience.

Take my money!

If M+K and joystick then maybe

Of course it is not useful by itself, they can add other options in it. I do not know , may be like killing distance or weapon type cheater used.

on firestorm after the match has finished and the bot jockeys have another non legit victory,I would like a replay on just the map showing where the dots went so I can see their super human bloodhound skills.

ok
Here an extract of ea privacy legal notice
Use of Data
When you use an EA Service, EA may collect and store data from your computer or device, including information about your computer or device and operating system (such as IP Address and device ID), information about your EA Service usage, gameplay and usage statistics, system interactions and peripheral hardware (for example, to protect your game stats, EA may place a randomly generated identification number in the keychain storage of your device. That identifier will be removed when you reset your device). If you play an EA Service offline, this data will be stored on your device and transmitted to EA when your device connects to the Internet. EA uses this information to operate its business, improve its products and services, provide services to and communicate with you (including for marketing purposes), provide software updates, dynamically served content and software support, and trouble-shoot bugs or otherwise enhance your experience. If you participate in online services, EA also may collect, use, store, transmit and publicly display statistical data regarding game play (including scores, rankings and achievements), or identify content that is created and shared by you with other players.

Your data is collected, used, stored and transmitted by EA Inc. in the United States, in accordance with EA’s Privacy and Cookie Policy at privacy.ea.com.

This sentence especially :
***If you participate in online services, EA also may collect, use, store, transmit and publicly display statistical data regarding game play (including scores, rankings and achievements)*So why not providing a list af anonymized users being banned with timestamp of reports and statistical data of the reported games and also the timestamp of the ban???

at least with that we will see that someting is happening against cheating

He was never arguing that point and was in agreement that they should make a numbered list without names. Mods have no power whatsoever to make that decision.
Do you guys just skim?

That would be related to the online stats of your soldier would it not?

Your rank is visible in both the scoreboard and on the kill card of the player you just killed, not to mention being available on third party stats tracking websites, Such as battlefield tracker.

It would also be so that EA’s fairfight system is allowed access to statistical data in order to identify cheating.

It doesnt give EA free reign to put up a banlist that could result in GDPR violations in the EU and potentially be fined hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars.

@KapitainKavern
I would like some statistical data of cheaters as well. Anonymized data is fine. So don’t have an answer for that one.

so your saying this should not be available ??

http://https//www.pbbans.com/mbi-latest50-bf4-lfb44.html

Third party site, plus third party anticheat.

Pbbans is not the actual AC and is not affiliated with evenbalance IIRC who make punkbuster which IS the official anticheat of BF4.

Pbbans is a community offering of anticheat used as an additional layer on top of punkbuster.

Same as BF4DB is an extra layer of AC.

Thank you
at least we agree at one point :wink:

and be sure: don’t see agressivity against you in my comments.
It’s only frustration at my side

3 cheaters in one server. All from.the same platoon that im sure everyone on NA servers knows. How any of these devs still have jobs is beyond me

If there not cheating they should disregard the comment, I get called a noob all the time and I don’t have a cry about it.People need to act their age and not have a meltdown other criticism.Cheats are in many games every day,I just played a game where medic had a score of 122 kills 6 deaths he was running around constantly vaguely pointing gun and hitting enemy every time.